Acts 2
22“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:21 teaches Jesus is Lord (= YHWH)
Acts 2
22“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
You're obviously misunderstanding that, again, if Jesus needed God to anoint him with the Holy Spirit and power in order to do any mighty miraculous works. Jesus isn't YHWH obviously.You left out Acts 10:36 for the "Lord of all" in reference to Jesus is the same "Lord of all" in reference to Jesus in Romans 10:12.
You're obviously misunderstanding that, again, if Jesus needed God to anoint him with the Holy Spirit and power in order to do any mighty miraculous works. Jesus isn't YHWH obviously.
There are so many verses that say Jesus isn’t YHWH it isn’t even funny.Acts 2:21 teaches Jesus is Lord (= YHWH)
There are so many verses that
Jesus isn't YHWH in 100% of the Bible then suddenly he's YHWH in your verse. It's refuted.you can quote, but Acts 2:21 isn't going away.
Jesus isn't YHWH in 100% of the Bible then suddenly he's YHWH in your verse. It's refuted.
Oh I got it. Your MO is just rigidly cling to refuted talking points regardless of how many times it's debunked. Have fun with that.Acts 2:21 is still there.
It's not "my verse". It's a verse found in the Bible.
Get a serious clue.
The same one Lord of a legion earthly lords.You dodged Acts 10:36 and Romans 10:12.
Try again.
Son of man, Jesus is one of the many earthly (dying flesh and blood) lords that worship the Creator as Lord of lords. Dying mankind) ,
Thanks I would offer.And the Son of Man is worshiped (Daniel 7:14).
Thanks I would offer.
Like the Son of man dying human. (not is) God is not dying mankind . Like is representation. Face to face in revealed knowledge also called faith (the unseen work) to the same faith. a representation . Not mirror image
God uses flesh signified as sinful to show to the world his unseen powerful pouring out His unseen Spirit on dying mankind..
Seeing as a "spiritual gift" the invisible Father revealed by the Son (visible ). . .the Father who has no form is shown working in the Son of man to both reveal his will living and empower dying mankind to do it to the Fathers good pleasure. Jesus did the will of the eternal Father with delight some like Jonas murmured and wanted to die
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Our daily bread or hidden manna. The kind of spiritual food the apostles at first knew not of . Again the key . Both to reveal and empower dying mankind to do it his to his good pleasure not of our own .we have no power .
John 4:33-35King James Version Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Daniel 7:13-14 Easy-to-Read Version In my vision at night I looked, and there in front of me was someone who looked like a human being.[a] He was coming on the clouds in the sky. He came up to the Ancient King, and the King’s servants brought him before the King.The one who looked like a human being was given authority, glory, and complete ruling power. People from every nation and language group will serve him. His rule will last forever. His kingdom will continue forever. It will never be destroyed.
The same witness below Like a Son of man. Not Eternal God is a son of man .
Revelation 14:14 EASY Then I looked, and I saw a white cloud in front of me. I saw someone who was like a son of man. He was sitting on the cloud. He had a gold crown on his head and a sharp knife in his hand.. . . . . . . . Hand = will.
Spiritual eternal, not what the eyes see the temporal. that which go up in smoke.
I would think the idea of spiritual gift (Charismatics) as that which we can perform with our human hands as a will . It can cause much confusion if the spiritual unseen power is not separated from the literal historical.
That would seem to be the goal of the father of lies remove the spiritual understanding (Faith hesring Gods undrstanding to makind not from dying mankind as if God was a dying man. It seems that way to me
Luke 24:38-40King James Version And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Charistimactic ,. . . From Satan the king of lying signs to wonder after . Wondering marveling , not believing.
Wonder not coming to the end of faith. . . belief
You say all this, but the Sanhedrin knew exactly what Christ was saying.According to 1 John 1:1,2 the logos is an it because the context requires it. A "that which" is an it. A "he who" is not an it. Big difference. It's also common sense that a word (logos) is not a he.
Can also compare that to John 1:1. The two uses of the term ‘God’ in John 1:1 are different in Greek. The first term is ton theon (“The God”), while the second simply says theos (“God” or “divine”).
A more accurate translation of John 1:1 is, "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and what God was the word was."
Why? Because the absence of the article (“the”) before “God” in the Greek makes the word “God” qualitative, which can be understood as “the Word had the character of God,” meaning that it was godly not literally the God.
John 1:14-18 isn't about a literal pre-existent being known as the Word incarnating as a man.
What was Jesus saying or doing before he was born? Any verses?
Jesus chose to obey God regardless of what he could have done. Jesus and God don't have the same wills.
Luke 22
42“Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Where did they find that blasphemous?
Jesus chose to go to the cross just as anyone chooses to do anything.
Following the accusations of those who had an MO of trying to kill Jesus isn't good theology. They were simply looking for a reason to kill him and using false blasphemy charges was one way to do that in their time and society. The false witnesses simply needed to agree with one another. Jesus' words to the contrary don't match the accusations against him.
Luke 22
2and the chief priests and scribes were looking for a way to put Jesus to death; for they feared the people.
That's a strawman argument. Nothing I have said contradicts anything I have said.
I have demonstrated your following of the false accusations against Jesus were directly contradicted by Jesus himself.
Has nothing to do with being God. Do you call God a servant?
The rich man and Lazarus story is widely regarded as a parable.
There are no examples of a pre-existent being known as the Word of Son of God existing before Abraham. Jesus is simply referring to himself in a prophetic sense.
Acts 10
37You yourselves know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee with the baptism that John proclaimed: 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
He had to become human like Adam who failed to be God's servant. Nope, Jesus was never God.
It was His Father's plan for Jesus to be His Lamb to become a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
God never lowers Himself to be anything.
Thanks again for being respectful. But there's something we must examine to better understand here. Yes, I agree there are two distinct purposes. As a NT designation of Christ, the term "WORD" occurs only in 1:1,14; 1 John 1:1; and Rev. 19:13. The two distinct purposes are: A) it gives expression to the inner thought, the soul of the man, doing this even though no one else is present to hear what is said or to read what is thought; and B) it reveals this thought (the soul of this speaker) to others. Christ is the Word of God in both respects; he expresses or reflects the mind of God; also, he reveals God to man (1:18; cf. Matt. 11:27; Heb. 1:3). Hebrews 1:3 He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power.For starters, beginning in John 1:1, there are two uses of the word for god present in the Greek. Most English translations I've seen, for some reason, do not capture this accurately; I suspect for dogmatic purposes because a literal translation of John 1:1 is an argument against the Trinity.
The first usage of God in John 1:1 is ton Theon which literally means the God. The second usage of god is theos which means god. The reason John wrote it this way, using two different usages of god in John 1:1, is because he is showing awareness that the God and god are distinct and are not the same person.
A literal translation of John 1:1, assuming that Jesus was a pre-existent being in some form or fashion, would be that the Word was a god. If we assume Jesus is not a pre-existent being then the Word becomes a quality of God and is, therefore, godly, but nevertheless a non-person thing. Using theos to describe something or someone that is godly is a valid usage of the word theos. You can check this in 2 Cor. 1:12, 7:9-11 for some examples.
With that being said, a literal translation of John 1:1 doesn't support the idea that the definitive God is the Word, but rather a god or something godly.
We should not pit Scripture against Scripture, because Scripture doesn't contradict itself. I believe you are messing up "word" with Christ here, when the "Word" use in John 1 meaning Christ Jesus appears 4 times in the NT.So did Jesus pre-exist? Arguably, no. There are no clear examples of Jesus saying or doing anything in the Old Testament. There are no stories about what he was doing exactly before the world existed. Even under different names, there are no examples of a being called the Word who was with God in Genesis or any of the other statements about God creating. There are no stories about a "God the Son" sitting at God's right hand in the Old Testament. Jesus didn't sit down at God's right hand until after he was born, died, resurrected, and was taken to heaven as a man in Mark 16:19.
With that being said, there isn't any evidence that John's narrative, beginning in John 1:1, is literal. However, there are many examples of God using words, in creation or otherwise, as a thing that personification was applied to. Here are some examples of poetry in Psalms and one from Isaiah that calls God's word an it:
Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and all the stars by the breath of His mouth.
Psalm 107:20
He sent forth His word and healed them; He rescued them from the Pit.
Psalm 147:15
He sends forth His command to the earth; His word runs swiftly.
Isaiah 55:11
so My word that proceeds from My mouth
will not return to Me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please,
and it will prosper where I send it.
In addition to all of that, we can't even use the Greek definition of the Word to make a direct link to Jesus because logos in the Greek means a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.
Sure, the passages you have quoted need more context so I'll provide the rest of the run of the passages to get a better understanding it.The Bible says Jesus is a man whom God anointed with power to perform the miracles he did, but the power came from God Himself, not Jesus. Now you need to explain why you believe otherwise.
Acts 2
22“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 4
30Stretch out your hand to heal and perform signs and wonders through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”
Acts 10
37You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.Jesus didn't literally pre-exist. He was slain one time in Israel, not one time before the world was created and then again later. What is written about Jesus before the world existed is simply prophetic. I challenge you to produce a single verse demonstrating anything Jesus said or did before his birth.
Revelation 13
8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
Any number of reasons. Jesus was outspoken against them. Publicly challenging them and embarrassing them. The people loved him and it wasn't a good look for them. It challenged their power and authority.
What about it? Didn't Jesus just inform us in John 20:17 who Thomas God is? Did Jesus say the Father?
Correct and it says nothing about believing Jesus is God.
Nicodemus didn't agree with his constituents and he was a Pharisee. Jesus didn't argue with Nicodemus nor contradict him.No Sir, the Sanhedrin knew exactly what Christ was saying. Which is why they were trying to charge him with Blasphemy. This is a fact and recorded in Scripture. This is cannot be denied.
‘I am the Son of God’? 37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; 38 but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.” 39 Again they sought to arrest him, but he escaped from their hands.
Nicodemus contradicted the Pharisee's because Nicodemus knew Jesus wasn't God. He knew that Jesus didn't deserve any sort of conviction without a fair trial.You say all this, but the Sanhedrin knew exactly what Christ was saying.
John 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him.