Is There Equal Authority Within Trinity Doctrine?

[Mr GLee]

The Son was not without the Father while on the cross anymore than David was without God when he said the same thing in Ps 22.

Yes, no differnce between the son of man Jesus (dying mankind) born of women and the son of man David . David a shadow representing Jesus the Son of man.

All of dying powerless mankind must be born again of the Father Christ. . . .marvel or wonder not .

 

[Rella]

The Son of man our brother in the lord, Jesus dying mankind who was born two thousand years ago?

Or he was in part the Father's plan as the lamb slain from the foundation and the plan was demonstrated two thousand years ago?

B.

 

[Rella]

I am not sure what you mean by Frankies people other than a nick for the Pope & the Catholics?

I believe there are Three Witnesses within the One God, but though all are equal as God, for all Three to be One God, there has to be a subjection to the Father's will for how the Word of God can establish a word in creation or to judge anyone.

Like when the Lord asks in Genesis 1:26 as "Let us make man in our image and after our likeness", that was the Word of God asking the father to do that and once He got the Father's permission the Word of God did it as the One God per Genesis 1:27.

Same thing happened in Genesis 11th chapter for judging the people at the tower of Babel.

When God requires mankind to have two or three witnesses to establish a testimony or when judging anyone, per Deuteronomy 17:6 & 19:15, so will God do as well whenever He establishes a word in creation or to judge anyone, let alone the world.

If you are referring to Catholics, this work of iniquity is being found in Baptist churches as well when they worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son John 10:1 or take the broad way by worshipping the Trinity Matthew 7:13-14 when that is not the way to come to God the Father by John 14:6 nor to honor Him by John 5:22-23.

Antichrist as used and applied in scriptures means "instead of Christ". We are not to ignore how we are to come to God the Father by nor add to His words as if we can honor the father another way "instead of Christ."

This is important because I believe that is the work of iniquity that Jesus will judge all saved believers for coming to God the father by another way instead of Christ for why I see Him saying ..." I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

So I hope you see now that what I am sharing does involve you and your church in these latter days where believers are not heeding the commandment of His invitation for how we are to ONLY come to God the Father by and how to ONLY honor the Father by and that is His Son.

Yes, I will not dignify that man... Pope Francis... with a proper reference.

Not all Catholics are bad. Not all priests and nuns are either... but the Jesuit in chief is up to no good. A thread for another day

But I do get tired, not here so much but elsewhere where it is claimed everything wrong is the fault of the RCC.

You are correct of course.

 

[Mr GLee]

B.

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[makesends]

Yes, no differnce between the son of man Jesus (dying mankind) born of women and the son of man David . David a shadow representing Jesus the Son of man.

NO DIFFERENCE?? No difference between the real thing and the shadow?

No wonder you do not answer me when I ask for a plain answer! —"Is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?" Yes, or no!

 

[Rella]

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You replied with. .. While I do see the continuity between the two statements you made to

Tambora said:
The Son was not without the Father while on the cross anymore than David was without God when he said the same thing in Ps 22.

You
Yes, no differnce between the son of man Jesus (dying mankind) born of women and the son of man David . David a shadow representing Jesus the Son of man.

All of dying powerless mankind must be born again of the Father Christ. . . .marvel or wonder not .

The second statement is the most important of them all and there for I go with B.... #2 statement.
I should have been more clear. I also should not try to do this and work on mom's estate at the same time....
Sorry

 

[Mr GLee]

NO DIFFERENCE?? No difference between the real thing and the shadow?

No wonder you do not answer me when I ask for a plain answer! —"Is Jesus Christ come in the flesh?" Yes, or no!

Christ the husband as eternal God did dwell in the flesh of the Son of man Jesus a yes .not the first time.

Big differnce When the first century reformation came the veil rent putting a end of the abomination of desolation Kings dying mankind in the place of our eternal invisible King of kings our Father.

The ceremonial shadows that pointed ahead of the suffering savior and its glory came to pass at the cross .


God is not a man as us .He who has no form has no shadows that fade away ,

1 Peter 1: 9-11 Receiving the end of your (Born again ) faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

 

[Mr GLee]

You replied with. .. While I do see the continuity between the two statements you made to

Tambora said:
The Son was not without the Father while on the cross anymore than David was without God when he said the same thing in Ps 22.

You
Yes, no differnce between the son of man Jesus (dying mankind) born of women and the son of man David . David a shadow representing Jesus the Son of man.

All of dying powerless mankind must be born again of the Father Christ. . . .marvel or wonder not .

The second statement is the most important of them all and there for I go with B.... #2 statement.
I should have been more clear. I also should not try to do this and work on mom's estate at the same time....
Sorry

Hi Nothing to be sorry of

In that way I think I agree with Tambora .

Christ working in us not Christ is us. The anti

 

[makesends]

Christ the husband as eternal God did dwell in the flesh of the Son of man Jesus a yes .not the first time.

Big differnce When the first century reformation came the veil rent putting a end of the abomination of desolation Kings dying mankind in the place of our eternal invisible King of kings our Father.

The ceremonial shadows that pointed ahead of the suffering savior and its glory came to pass at the cross .


God is not a man as us .He who has no form has no shadows that fade away ,

1 Peter 1: 9-11 Receiving the end of your (Born again ) faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Thank you for the 'yes'. Just for your info, I had to read your post twice before I understood what you were referring to by, "a yes .not the first time". Now, at least, I am motivated to try to engage in the long struggle ahead to figure out what you mean by that. Your words are worse than the apostle Paul's for deciphering. I can't tell if you are just ADHD or if you think your reader can follow your mind's assumptions that result in your words or —what? But if it is any comfort to you, I too am often told that the more I explain, the harder I am to follow.

 

[Tambora]

The Son of man our brother in the lord, Jesus dying mankind who was born two thousand years ago?

Or he was in part the Father's plan as the lamb slain from the foundation and the plan was demonstrated two thousand years ago?

The same divine Son of Man (Dan 7:13 and Ps 2:12) that was always with the Father.
The same Son who was the Word that was with God and was God and creator of all things (John 1:1-3)
The same Son who was the Word that became flesh. (John 1:14)
The same Son who was also responsible for creation (Col 1:16)
The same Son of David who was before David because He was also Son of God (Matt 22:43-45)

He was not just some thought or plan.
He existed with the Father all along.

 

[Mr GLee]

The same divine Son of Man (Dan 7:13 and Ps 2:12) that was always with the Father.
The same Son who was the Word that was with God and was God and creator of all things (John 1:1-3)
The same Son who was the Word that became flesh. (John 1:14)
The same Son who was also responsible for creation (Col 1:16)
The same Son of David who was before David because He was also Son of God (Matt 22:43-45)

He was not just some thought or plan.
He existed with the Father all along.

Yes, the invisible Spirit of Christ the one good teaching master as Lord. . . . . . Emanuel working with us .

In that way. Whosoever has not the Spirit of Christ (the husband) They do not belong to him .They remain unredeemed widows.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God (Emanuel) dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
An example of one worshiping, venerating kneeling down to the dying flesh and blood of the Son of man, Jesus .

Jesus the Son of man would never stand in the place of the invisible Father .The abomination of desolation. Robing the glory of a invisible eternal God . He gave glory to the unseen head. The one good teaching master Christ.

Mark 10:17-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is not a man as us. He is not a racist sinner.

Unlike the father of lies a murderer from the beginning (Cain ) . . the father of racism . . . . . . . sin .

The loving commandment. New creatures (Christians ) they no longer know each other after the temporal dying things seen, male or female Jew nor gentile as the wife church .No procreating in the new order.

Galatians 3:27-29King James Version For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after (working in) the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It would seem to speak to the gender dysphoria today the valley of confusion. The valley of faith spoken of in Job 23:1-9 A time we do not understand .

Full blown Gnosticism secrets' added to the living word . Secret revelations (Apocrypha) teaching the ressurection is past. The hope of those trusting the cult of reincarnation . Reincarnation meaning. . again, and incarnate, meaning to make flesh rising in same flesh of dying mankind .Causing the valley of confusion, no faith, Limbo.

Satan the chief spirit of identity theft stealing you could say the thunder of the true born again identity removing the power of sola scriptura giving it over to the oral tradition of dying mankind.

It is why I believe Jesus when revealing the greatest possible miracle eternal life Nicodemus one who did seek after the lying signs to wonder of coming from Satan. was loving commanded by Christ working in Jesus the prophet to "marvel or wonder not" . they both lead to the valley of confusion, Tower of Babel, limbo.

Wondering is not believing as understanding faith a anchor to our new soul .Satan would make it just a if wondering is true prophecy...The father of lies :. "just keep on wondering and marveling rather than believing true prohecy "(sola scriptura )

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Faith Christ's labor working in believers as ambassadors in a foreign land leads them out of the valley of death. confusion

Contrary to the king of lying signs to wonder after. the spirit of identity theft . We are not what we will be (neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile)

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

 

[Mr GLee]

Thank you for the 'yes'. Just for your info, I had to read your post twice before I understood what you were referring to by, "a yes .not the first time". Now, at least, I am motivated to try to engage in the long struggle ahead to figure out what you mean by that. Your words are worse than the apostle Paul's for deciphering. I can't tell if you are just ADHD or if you think your reader can follow your mind's assumptions that result in your words or —what? But if it is any comfort to you, I too am often told that the more I explain, the harder I am to follow.

Thanks sorry for the extra work .

LOL. .Worse than Paul's worse than a physicians prescription .

Two things as a slower learner. I hated English dropped out 9 1/2 th. It came back to haunt me when I changed my study habits and began posting on a Catholics Protestant board 20 years. Two women were very patient ended up with one named Midge, then disqualified.

I am not trying to be mysterious or misunderstood . But try and encourage the use of parables. They as prophecy are used as mysteries of faith, teaching us how to walk or understand the unseen eternal things called faith the power of God .

Especially today when mainstream seek after signs and wonders ( I had a dream. out of body, I saw Jesus . I heard a voice false prophecy on the rise .

Signs to wonder after do not answer the understanding of the parables .Parables remain a mystery to them . that look at the temporal dying seen. . and not the invisible things of Christ's Faith or labor of love.

A good example in Luke 9 using series of parables (4) to teach us how to understand the unseen thing of faith. again a series of parable purposely hiding the spiritual unseen understanding of faith . . one after another not giving them the understanding of any parable

Luke 9: 42-44 And as he was yet a coming, the devil threw him down, and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.And they were all amazed (no faith) at the mighty power of God. But while they wondered (no faith) every one at all things which Jesus did, he said unto his disciples,Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.

Luke 9:45-47 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying. Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,

They must of thought Jesus went off the deep end. Electing a new leader as the greatest top dog

In that way I would think Jesus was the must lonely man that ever walked . Even his own family understood not the poetic signified tongue of Christ .it is a work that Christ not seen alone can empower

Luke 9:48-50 And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great. And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. (trusting what the eyes see the temporal not the faith the unseen eternal) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Another parable revealing the apostles knew not the understanding of the parable/ prophecy . This time they thought Jesus tried to trick them they assumed he was going to Jerusalem having already scheduled a gentile place . Because they had no faith according to Christ labor of love to understand the parable They demanded jesus call fire from heaven and consume the gentles. . up in smoke, out of sight out of mind (pagan foundation) no faith that could please Christ

Luke 9:51-54 And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

The he rebuked there understanding revealing it for what is was the spirt of the unredeemed

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of

I hope that helps somewhat.

 

[ChristB4us]

The Son was not without the Father while on the cross anymore than David was without God when he said the same thing in Ps 22.

I believe otherwise because of Christ being made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Thanks to the Father in Jesus's name, I definitely see why Jesus was praying for that cup to pass from Him 3 times in the Garden of Gethsemane nevertheless He prayed that the Father's will be done and not His own.

When we see Him face to face, we shall know all things

But it is important not to allow the Trinity doctrine to be misapplied because of those unbiblical creeds as if it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ" or to worship the Trinity "instead of Christ" when the Son is the only way to come to God the Father by per John 14:6 and to honor Him by John 5:22-23 because the moment we stop honoring the Son in worship, we are not honoring God the Father at all per His will.

 

[Tambora]

I believe otherwise

That's OK.

But it is important not to allow the Trinity doctrine to be misapplied because of those unbiblical creeds as if it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ"

You are mistaken.
I do not claim it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit or the Father INSTEAD of the Son, nor am I aware of a creed that claims that either.
But I don't put my trust in creeds anyway, so I don't really care what creeds say.

 

[Tambora]

Yes, the invisible Spirit of Christ the one good teaching master as Lord. . . . . . Emanuel working with us .

In that way. Whosoever has not the Spirit of Christ (the husband) They do not belong to him .They remain unredeemed widows.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God (Emanuel) dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
An example of one worshiping, venerating kneeling down to the dying flesh and blood of the Son of man, Jesus .

Jesus the Son of man would never stand in the place of the invisible Father .The abomination of desolation. Robing the glory of a invisible eternal God . He gave glory to the unseen head. The one good teaching master Christ.

Mark 10:17-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

God is not a man as us. He is not a racist sinner.

Unlike the father of lies a murderer from the beginning (Cain ) . . the father of racism . . . . . . . sin .

The loving commandment. New creatures (Christians ) they no longer know each other after the temporal dying things seen, male or female Jew nor gentile as the wife church .No procreating in the new order.

Galatians 3:27-29King James Version For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after (working in) the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

It would seem to speak to the gender dysphoria today the valley of confusion. The valley of faith spoken of in Job 23:1-9 A time we do not understand .

Full blown Gnosticism secrets' added to the living word . Secret revelations (Apocrypha) teaching the ressurection is past. The hope of those trusting the cult of reincarnation . Reincarnation meaning. . again, and incarnate, meaning to make flesh rising in same flesh of dying mankind .Causing the valley of confusion, no faith, Limbo.

Satan the chief spirit of identity theft stealing you could say the thunder of the true born again identity removing the power of sola scriptura giving it over to the oral tradition of dying mankind.

It is why I believe Jesus when revealing the greatest possible miracle eternal life Nicodemus one who did seek after the lying signs to wonder of coming from Satan. was loving commanded by Christ working in Jesus the prophet to "marvel or wonder not" . they both lead to the valley of confusion, Tower of Babel, limbo.

Wondering is not believing as understanding faith a anchor to our new soul .Satan would make it just a if wondering is true prophecy...The father of lies :. "just keep on wondering and marveling rather than believing true prohecy "(sola scriptura )

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Faith Christ's labor working in believers as ambassadors in a foreign land leads them out of the valley of death. confusion

Contrary to the king of lying signs to wonder after. the spirit of identity theft . We are not what we will be (neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile)

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

You can go on and on with your rhetoric all you want to but scripture clearly says the Word was God and became flesh.

 

[Mr GLee]

I believe otherwise because of Christ being made sin for us so that we may be made the righteousness of God in Him.

Thanks to the Father in Jesus's name, I definitely see why Jesus was praying for that cup to pass from Him 3 times in the Garden of Gethsemane nevertheless He prayed that the Father's will be done and not His own.

When we see Him face to face, we shall know all things

But it is important not to allow the Trinity doctrine to be misapplied because of those unbiblical creeds as if it is okay to worship the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ" or to worship the Trinity "instead of Christ" when the Son is the only way to come to God the Father by per John 14:6 and to honor Him by John 5:22-23 because the moment we stop honoring the Son in worship, we are not honoring God the Father at all per His will.

Christ is the Holy Spirit of the Father. The power that works in the powerless Son of man.

 

[Mr GLee]

You can go on and on with your rhetoric all you want to but scripture clearly says the Word was God and became flesh.

Thanks

Two is the word designed to represent one God has spoke throughout the Bible . (1) Using the Son of man to outwardly demonstrate (2) the unseen power of Christ faithfulness.

Three denotes the end of a matter. Trinity making room for the queen mother of heaven. that some have named Mary . two fathers one seen the Pope the other not seen our Holy Father . they canoy obey the loving commandment to call no man on earth father .

The Trinity fails

Christ the teaching Holy Spirit is not dying flesh and blood mankind as us

Why in the world is it so hard to believe God is a invisible Spirit working in dying mankind . pouring out his Spirit life on dying flesh?

You can call it the gospel rhetoric .

Which Word became God? The word that said? "Let there be"

It is the Spirit of grace that quickens. . giving eternal life .Dying flesh and blood profits for nothing

His Word is Spirit and life ..

John 6: 63-68 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Gospel sense. .John1:1-2 The Holy Spirit of the Word was God the creators Spirit. The same Spirit was in the beginning with God.

 

[Tambora]

Two is the word designed to represent one God has spoke throughout the Bible .

No it's not.

Three denotes the end of a matter.

No it doesn't

 

[Mr GLee]

No it's not.


No it doesn't

I would offer

Two the one word that denotes Christ has spoken. Demonstrated outwardly by the Son of man dying mankind .The us Elohim

The original dynamic dual .the second . . lone ranger and Tonto.

Two Genesis beginnings, two testaments. two candlesticks, Day two Creation, law and prophets, marriage the two shall become one bride . two by two enter the ark, sends them out two by two The doctrine of two or three a family (smallest denomination) Christ with them .two witness Three signifies the end of matter the established .

The tip of the ice berg many other dual witnesses throughout .

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Not one witness false prophet like Charles Russel . . .Joseph Smith .Charles Mansion, James Jones etc.

Deuteronomy 17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.(the end)

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

1 John 5:9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

The invisible eternal witness witnessed and demonstrated by the dying witness . .the Son of man Jesus.

 

[Rella]

Christ is the Holy Spirit of the Father. The power that works in the powerless Son of man.

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