Is There Equal Authority Within Trinity Doctrine?

[ChristB4us]

Not that I wish to create a factionalism within body of Christ, even though the forum has been set up to distinguish between denominations from other Christians when we are to be identified first and foremost as Christians anyway, but since Alberto Rivera, a former Jesuit, testified to a secret oath to the Jesuit General to sow discord in society to cause society to collapse and to infiltrate the Protestant churches to bring them back into the fold, we should beware.

Those who defend the Trinity doctrine and the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, and even the worship of the Trinity by way of the creeds rather than scripture, does make me wonder that is the evidence the Jesuits has infiltrated the church?

We look at the Romans Catholic Church for how they created many "antichrists" which by application and definition means "instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ" like the lie that God gave more grace for believers to do works to earn their salvation by joining the RCC and doing the works of Catholicism within her. That by definition & principle is an antichrist.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

And the RCC created many antichrists by how they pray to God by way of the virgin Mary, the departed saints, and even the Holy Spirit and by the broad way, the blessed Trinity in worship as by definition and by principle is an antichrist.

As debates about the Trinity can be found by the extrabiblical sources that cited 1 John 5:7 regarding the 3 Witnesses in Heaven as originally scripture as far back as 200 A.D., the question is not about whether or not each Person of the Trinity is God but the question should be asked is, is there equal authority within the Triune God?

John 14:Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It is because of verses like these two is why believers are led astray into not believing in the Trinity doctrine and the deity of Jesus Christ even though they do so at the expense of scripture.

This is how the Three Witnesses within the One God exists as the One God is because the will of the Father is to be done.

We see this in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus prayed 3 times to have the cup removed from Him but nevertheless He prayed that the Father's will be done and not His own.

So the misapplication of the Trinity doctrine has deceived the Baptist churches by way of those creeds to worship the Trinity and even the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as "instead of Christ". Since that practice and doctrine exists in the RCC, one should be dubious about how this got into the independent, fundamental Baptist churches at some point in their history.

Because Jesus said explicitly how we are to come to God the Father by and how we are supposed to honor the Father by and even went further by saying when we are not honoring the Son, then we are not honoring the Father which is His Father's will.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Somehow the long held unbiblical practice has made null and void the Word of God and the will of the Father as Christian churches are climbing up another way to God the Father "instead of Christ" and honoring God the Father "instead of Christ".

If we expect to correct other denominational churches of their false teachings by the scriptures, the Bible-based fundamental church should start another reformation and lead by example in regards to how they come to the Father & honor Him in worship.by obeying the word of God and thus the will of the Father by coming to Him by way of the son in only honoring the Son in worship if they wish to honor & glorify God the Father by since that is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship..

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only......

If the independent fundamental Baptist church was on guard against external influence & infiltration of undercover Jesuits down through history, then they would be keeping that singular mind of Christ in worship which is according to the Father's will..... but that is not what I am seeing.

May God cause the increase & wake up some Bible-based Christian churches and mayhap even lead other churches to do a reformation.

 

[Tambora]

he question is not about whether or not each Person of the Trinity is God but the question should be asked is, is there equal authority within the Triune God?

I take it as scripture does for the body, in that no one member (such as the eye) can be said to be of more importance than another member (such as the hand). [1 Cor 12:12-26]
However there are particular times when the hand will perform what the eye does not, and vise-versa.
Likewise, the Son became flesh and died on the cross while the Father and Holy Spirit performed other functions.

 

[makesends]

I take it as scripture does for the body, in that no one member (such as the eye) can be said to be of more importance than another member (such as the hand). [1 Cor 12:12-26]
However there are particular times when the hand will perform what the eye does not, and vise-versa.
Likewise, the Son became flesh and died on the cross while the Father and Holy Spirit performed other functions.

Even if there is what we take as 'subservience' one to what we call the 'authority' or 'dominance' of the other, there is no inequality of being. There are many ways to describe this, but they all fall short of the real story.

 

[Mr GLee]

We look at the Romans Catholic Church for how they created many "antichrists" which by application and definition means "instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ" like the lie that God gave more grace for believers to do works to earn their salvation by joining the RCC and doing the works of Catholicism within her. That by definition & principle is an antichri

Yes, instead of the one teaching master sola scriptura . the living word

False prophecy sent with false apostles.(antichrists plural) Doctrines of dying mankind oral traditons. I heard it through the legion of dead fathers grape vine (some call patron saints)

Antichrist (singular )Satan the spirit of lies sends out false prophets antichrists (plural)

 

[Mr GLee]

I take it as scripture does for the body, in that no one member (such as the eye) can be said to be of more importance than another member (such as the hand). [1 Cor 12:12-26]
However there are particular times when the hand will perform what the eye does not, and vise-versa.
Likewise, the Son became flesh and died on the cross while the Father and Holy Spirit performed other functions.

I would offer.

Three denotes the end of a matter throughout.

#1 the Holy Spirit of the #2Holy Father working in the #3 Son .

One invisible God made known by the powerful work of the father powering the dying flesh of the Son of man, Jesus.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (not names) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Two is used throughout is the word designed to represent the work of the unseen father demonstrated through dying flesh and blood . . the dynamic dual

Three is a crowd therefore call no man on earth Holy Father (pope ).One is our Holy Father not seen

Therefore two fathers and a queen mother. . the trinity.

 

[ChristB4us]

I take it as scripture does for the body, in that no one member (such as the eye) can be said to be of more importance than another member (such as the hand). [1 Cor 12:12-26]
However there are particular times when the hand will perform what the eye does not, and vise-versa.
Likewise, the Son became flesh and died on the cross while the Father and Holy Spirit performed other functions.

Since the Father's will is to be done and the Word of God and the Spirit of God are subjected to the will of the Father, then this is how as the One God, the Three are One in agreement in establishing a testimony like the Word of God in creation or for judging anyone as the Word of God did when judging the people at the tower of Babel. In both incidences, the Lord made the request in the plural sense and yet by asking that request, the Father permitted it for how the Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, performed the act as the One God in agreement.

So when the Word of God testified to the will of the father that Jesus is the only way to approach God the Father by and how to honor the Son in order to honor the Father by, then we had best heed His words and do the will of God the Father rather than add to His words as if we can honor the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son or try to be "smart" by honoring the blessed Trinity as in all Three in horning the Father when that is not the will of God for us to do since Jesus is citing that as the means to be received by the Bridegroom for when He comes.

John 14: 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5: 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

My concern is that this long held unbiblical practice introduced by the ecumenical creeds, is the offense to the will of God the Father and thus offensive to the Three Witnesses within the One God for broadening the way in coming to God the Father "instead of Christ".

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The consequence for not narrowing the way back to the Son in only honoring Him in worship in order to honor the Father is to be left behind.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The word "whence" testify to not going to the Father by the only way provided; His Son and for climbing up any other way like the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity is still applying what antichrist means in methodology as "instead of Christ" for why He did not know them because the believers were not only coming to the Father through the Son in worship, prayer, and fellowship.

 

[ChristB4us]

Even if there is what we take as 'subservience' one to what we call the 'authority' or 'dominance' of the other, there is no inequality of being. There are many ways to describe this, but they all fall short of the real story.

The Word of God and the Spirit of God being subjected to the will of the Father is signifying that we cannot apply the Trinity doctrine as if it is okay to honor the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son nor honor the Father in a broad way by honoring the Blessed Trinity.

Regardless of the truth that the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God as well, that does not negate the Father's will for how we are to approach the Father by nor how He only wants us to honor the Father by and that is by His Son. this is a clear commandment from the Word of God.

John 14: 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5: 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

My concern is that this long held unbiblical practice introduced by the ecumenical creeds, is the offense to the will of God the Father and thus offensive to the Three Witnesses within the One God for broadening the way in coming to God the Father "instead of Christ".

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The consequence for not narrowing the way back to the Son in only honoring Him in worship in order to honor the Father is to be left behind.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The word "whence" testify to not going to the Father by the only way provided; His Son and for climbing up any other way like the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity is still applying what antichrist means in methodology as "instead of Christ" for why He did not know them because the believers were not only coming to the Father through the Son in worship, prayer, and fellowship.

 

[makesends]

The Word of God and the Spirit of God being subjected to the will of the Father is signifying that we cannot apply the Trinity doctrine as if it is okay to honor the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son nor honor the Father in a broad way by honoring the Blessed Trinity.

True enough.

Regardless of the truth that the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God as well, that does not negate the Father's will for how we are to approach the Father by nor how He only wants us to honor the Father by and that is by His Son. this is a clear commandment from the Word of God.

John 14: 1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5: 22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

My concern is that this long held unbiblical practice introduced by the ecumenical creeds, is the offense to the will of God the Father and thus offensive to the Three Witnesses within the One God for broadening the way in coming to God the Father "instead of Christ".

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

The consequence for not narrowing the way back to the Son in only honoring Him in worship in order to honor the Father is to be left behind.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The word "whence" testify to not going to the Father by the only way provided; His Son and for climbing up any other way like the holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity is still applying what antichrist means in methodology as "instead of Christ" for why He did not know them because the believers were not only coming to the Father through the Son in worship, prayer, and fellowship.

I did not say otherwise.

 

[ChristB4us]

True enough.

I did not say otherwise.

Thanks for clarifying your position, brother, and thereby affirming the word and keeping the faith which is the good fight.

 

[Tambora]

There was never a time in which the Father and the Spirit and the Son were without each other.

 

[Mr GLee]

There was never a time in which the Father and the Spirit and the Son were without each other.

God is not a man dying mankind.

Satan's goal to deceive the world he is a Jewish man as King of kings

Yes it is the Holy Spirit of the Father who powerfully worked in the dying flesh and blood of Son of man, Jesus. . the 33 years he was here .

Jesus not ashamed to call us brother and sisters Calling no man on earth Father. (Pope)

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother

Marvel not dying mankind man must be born again .

 

[ChristB4us]

There was never a time in which the Father and the Spirit and the Son were without each other.

Except when Jesus was on the cross when He took our sins upon Himself in experiencing that separation from the Father and He did say so.

 

[Mr GLee]

Except when Jesus was on the cross when He took our sins upon Himself in experiencing that separation from the Father and He did say so.

The Son of man Jesus demonstrated the mighty Power of the invisible Father .As you will Holy Father the one with power to raise dying mankind to new born again spirit life .

All power from the father not the outweird demonstration of the lamb slain from the foundation the six days the Father did work

God is not dying mankind as us.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us

 

[Tambora]

Except when Jesus was on the cross when He took our sins upon Himself in experiencing that separation from the Father and He did say so.

That's not an exception.

 

[Tambora]

the six days the Father did work

So did the Son.

 

[Rella]

Not that I wish to create a factionalism within body of Christ, even though the forum has been set up to distinguish between denominations from other Christians when we are to be identified first and foremost as Christians anyway, but since Alberto Rivera, a former Jesuit, testified to a secret oath to the Jesuit General to sow discord in society to cause society to collapse and to infiltrate the Protestant churches to bring them back into the fold, we should beware.

Those who defend the Trinity doctrine and the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, and even the worship of the Trinity by way of the creeds rather than scripture, does make me wonder that is the evidence the Jesuits has infiltrated the church?

We look at the Romans Catholic Church for how they created many "antichrists" which by application and definition means "instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ" like the lie that God gave more grace for believers to do works to earn their salvation by joining the RCC and doing the works of Catholicism within her. That by definition & principle is an antichrist.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

And the RCC created many antichrists by how they pray to God by way of the virgin Mary, the departed saints, and even the Holy Spirit and by the broad way, the blessed Trinity in worship as by definition and by principle is an antichrist.

As debates about the Trinity can be found by the extrabiblical sources that cited 1 John 5:7 regarding the 3 Witnesses in Heaven as originally scripture as far back as 200 A.D., the question is not about whether or not each Person of the Trinity is God but the question should be asked is, is there equal authority within the Triune God?

John 14:Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

It is because of verses like these two is why believers are led astray into not believing in the Trinity doctrine and the deity of Jesus Christ even though they do so at the expense of scripture.

This is how the Three Witnesses within the One God exists as the One God is because the will of the Father is to be done.

We see this in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus prayed 3 times to have the cup removed from Him but nevertheless He prayed that the Father's will be done and not His own.

So the misapplication of the Trinity doctrine has deceived the Baptist churches by way of those creeds to worship the Trinity and even the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as "instead of Christ". Since that practice and doctrine exists in the RCC, one should be dubious about how this got into the independent, fundamental Baptist churches at some point in their history.

Because Jesus said explicitly how we are to come to God the Father by and how we are supposed to honor the Father by and even went further by saying when we are not honoring the Son, then we are not honoring the Father which is His Father's will.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Somehow the long held unbiblical practice has made null and void the Word of God and the will of the Father as Christian churches are climbing up another way to God the Father "instead of Christ" and honoring God the Father "instead of Christ".

If we expect to correct other denominational churches of their false teachings by the scriptures, the Bible-based fundamental church should start another reformation and lead by example in regards to how they come to the Father & honor Him in worship.by obeying the word of God and thus the will of the Father by coming to Him by way of the son in only honoring the Son in worship if they wish to honor & glorify God the Father by since that is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship..

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only......

If the independent fundamental Baptist church was on guard against external influence & infiltration of undercover Jesuits down through history, then they would be keeping that singular mind of Christ in worship which is according to the Father's will..... but that is not what I am seeing.

May God cause the increase & wake up some Bible-based Christian churches and mayhap even lead other churches to do a reformation.

I have things to say but am so outdone by Frankies people and how they are in your face whether you want them to be or not.....
Ill sit this one out.

This is coming from a full Trinity believer... And if you are not I dont care.... take it up with Frankies people.

 

[ChristB4us]

That's not an exception.

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I can see why in the Garden of Gethsemane why He was praying for that cup to pass from Him three times but each time He prayed that the Father's will be done and not His own.

Anyway, it was temporary since the Father has risen Him from the dead and has ascended to God the Father. There are also verses to that effect as being done by the Son and the Spirit of God too as God raised Him from the dead and so once again, all in agreement to the Father's will.

 

[ChristB4us]

I have things to say but am so outdone by Frankies people and how they are in your face whether you want them to be or not.....
Ill sit this one out.

I am not sure what you mean by Frankies people other than a nick for the Pope & the Catholics?

This is coming from a full Trinity believer...

I believe there are Three Witnesses within the One God, but though all are equal as God, for all Three to be One God, there has to be a subjection to the Father's will for how the Word of God can establish a word in creation or to judge anyone.

Like when the Lord asks in Genesis 1:26 as "Let us make man in our image and after our likeness", that was the Word of God asking the father to do that and once He got the Father's permission the Word of God did it as the One God per Genesis 1:27.

Same thing happened in Genesis 11th chapter for judging the people at the tower of Babel.

When God requires mankind to have two or three witnesses to establish a testimony or when judging anyone, per Deuteronomy 17:6 & 19:15, so will God do as well whenever He establishes a word in creation or to judge anyone, let alone the world.

And if you are not I dont care.... take it up with Frankies people.

If you are referring to Catholics, this work of iniquity is being found in Baptist churches as well when they worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son John 10:1 or take the broad way by worshipping the Trinity Matthew 7:13-14 when that is not the way to come to God the Father by John 14:6 nor to honor Him by John 5:22-23.

Antichrist as used and applied in scriptures means "instead of Christ". We are not to ignore how we are to come to God the Father by nor add to His words as if we can honor the father another way "instead of Christ."

This is important because I believe that is the work of iniquity that Jesus will judge all saved believers for coming to God the father by another way instead of Christ for why I see Him saying ..." I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity."

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

So I hope you see now that what I am sharing does involve you and your church in these latter days where believers are not heeding the commandment of His invitation for how we are to ONLY come to God the Father by and how to ONLY honor the Father by and that is His Son.

 

[Tambora]

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The Son was not without the Father while on the cross anymore than David was without God when he said the same thing in Ps 22.

 

[Mr GLee]

So did the Son.

The Son of man our brother in the lord, Jesus dying mankind who was born two thousand years ago?

Or he was in part the Father's plan as the lamb slain from the foundation and the plan was demonstrated two thousand years ago?