Pastor Steven Anderson is a hypocrite ...

[Runningman]

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

That in no way undoes the fact the Father is the only true God in John 17:3. You're making an argument for Jesus' alleged pre-existence there, not his deity.

 

[Ladodgers6]

That in no way undoes the fact the Father is the only true God in John 17:3. You're making an argument for Jesus' alleged pre-existence there, not his deity.

Not so fast. Verse states, "with the GLORY that I HAD with you before the world existed." This will not only be difficult to overcome with any argument, but impossible.

What man can claim equal GLORY with God?

 

[Ladodgers6]

Nicodemus contradicted the Pharisee's because Nicodemus knew Jesus wasn't God. He knew that Jesus didn't deserve any sort of conviction without a fair trial.

John 7
50Nicodemus, who had gone to Jesus earlier and who himself was one of them, asked, 51“Does our law convict a man without first hearing from him to determine what he has done?”

This is fine, what was Jesus finally convicted of? But, again let's get more context to get a better picture here.

40 When they heard these words, some of the people said, “This really is the Prophet.” 41 Others said, “This is the Christ.” But some said, “Is the Christ to come from Galilee? 42 Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the offspring of David, and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” 43 So there was a division among the people over him. 44 Some of them wanted to arrest him, but no one laid hands on him.

45 The officers then came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, “Why did you not bring him?” 46The officers answered, “No one ever spoke like this man!” 47The Pharisees answered them, “Have you also been deceived? 48 Have any of the authorities or the Pharisees believed in him? 49But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed.” 50 Nicodemus, who had gone to him before, and who was one of them, said to them, 51 “Does our law judge a man without first giving him a hearing and learning what he does?” 52They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.”

Here again they want to arrest. Even to the point of avoiding traditional fair trial. Why? Because they knew what they heard with their own ears, that Jesus was claiming he is God. And with this, come judgement of death. Exception here a course because Jesus is God incarnate.​

 

[Ladodgers6]

What a mess.

Do you understand the Covenant of Redemption? The coming of the God-Man was prophesied and promised by God to Adam & Eve and Abraham. Why did Jesus say nobody takes his life from him, but lays it down on his own accord?

 

[Fred]

Do you understand the Covenant of Redemption? The coming of the God-Man was prophesied and promised by God to Adam & Eve and Abraham. Why did Jesus say nobody takes his life from him, but lays it down on his own accord?

Yes, but the poster from post 189 has a false belief in that he denigrates the Son of Man (Jesus) as not being God.

 

[Mr GLee]

You say all this, but the Sanhedrin knew exactly what Christ was saying.

John 8:57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?” 58 “Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to throw at Him.

It was Christ the Holy Spirit of the Father (the I am) , using his apostle prophets Jesus to to declare His eternal will ..

Surely the Son of man, Jesus has no power of his own, yoked with Emanuel (the one with power) .He did the will of the father with delight

Dying mankind is not the Creator

Eternal God is not dying mankind .

Why in the world mankind would try to make God a dying Jewish man remains a mystery

John 14:1 Believes thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?(not the father is me) the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (I Am) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Long before Abraham. The prophecy of I AM was promise beforehand, that God would come and demonstrate his power striking the Son man Jesus bruising his heel, crushing the head of the serpent. We can se that effect of the gospel with born again Abel before Abraham was born .

The same born again Spirit that worked in Moses worked in Jesus , just as it does with Jesus's brothers and sisters today .(Christians)

Jesus our brother in the lord declared whosoever does the will of the father the same is his brothers and sisters .( no difference)

God is not a Man

John 5:30-32King James Version30 I can of mine own self do "nothing": as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.


John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father,( Not the Son of man is the father) and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Yes, but the poster from post 189 has a false belief in that he denigrates the Son of Man (Jesus) as not being God.

Yes, he does, even though Scripture explicitly affirms Jesus is God incarnate.

 

[Ladodgers6]

It was Christ the Holy Spirit of the Father (the I am) , using his apostle prophets Jesus to to declare His eternal will ..

Can you clarify this, before I comment. Are you suggesting that Jesus is like the Apostles and Prophets? Are you saying Christ is the Holy Spirit?

The passages are clear in what Jesus said and what he meant so did the Sanhedrin.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

These Jews picked up stones to throw at him, after hearing Jesus say, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am". This was Jesus telling them who is he; the God-Man. The One who the Law & Prophets spoke about.​

Surely the Son of man, Jesus has no power of his own, yoked with Emanuel (the one with power) .He did the will of the father with delight

Emmanuel which means (God is with us); Gospel of Matthew interprets this as a prophecy of the birth of the Messiah and the fulfillment of Scripture in the person of Jesus. And yes, Jesus came to fulfill his Father's will, a in capacity of a servant. This is to fulfill the Scriptures. So, how did Christ fulfill the Scriptures, he was born of a virgin, born in the flesh, born under the Law, to not abolish the Law but to fulfill it, and condemning sin in his flesh and by becoming a curse for us. Jesus is 100% without sin, but became sin so that we would be counted as righteous through his active/passive obedience that is imputed or credited to the ungodly through Faith Alone! This is the marvelous good news for sinners.​

Dying mankind is not the Creator

Dying mankind is not the creator, who ever said they were? But Christ conquered sin, death, and Satan, and placed them all under his foot stool. I am curious how do you explain John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.​

Eternal God is not dying mankind .

How do explain John 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

Why in the world mankind would try to make God a dying Jewish man remains a mystery

Aren't these comments just conjecture without Scripture?

John 14:1 Believes thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?(not the father is me) the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father (I Am) that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I think you got your verses mixed up. John 14:1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. Why a mere man according to you say this, making himself equal with God. Why not just say, Believe in God.​

Long before Abraham. The prophecy of I AM was promise beforehand, that God would come and demonstrate his power striking the Son man Jesus bruising his heel, crushing the head of the serpent. We can se that effect of the gospel with born again Abel before Abraham was born .

Amen! I AM, is God making the Promise to Abraham in Genesis 15, where God walks through the carcasses cut in half, declaring that he will do, and if he fails, may he be cut in half.

Also, Isaiah 53, depicts what the God-Man endured for us; for our iniquities. Christ suffered all that pain and suffering for the ungodly who believe in him. I strongly advise you read that chapter.
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[Ladodgers6]

The same born again Spirit that worked in Moses worked in Jesus , just as it does with Jesus's brothers and sisters today .(Christians)

Jesus our brother in the lord declared whosoever does the will of the father the same is his brothers and sisters .( no difference)

God is not a Man

John 5:30-32King James Version30 I can of mine own self do "nothing": as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.


John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father,( Not the Son of man is the father) and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Let's look at John chapter 14:

1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
So, Jesus tells Thomas you do know him and have SEEN him. How could Thomas have seen the Father?
Now with John 5 GLee, Jesus emptied and humbled himself and became a human servant. His office is that of mediator between Man and God. He came to fulfill his Father's will to redeem those who he gave to his Son to save. This is prophesied and promised through a Covenant of Grace that the must Son must fulfill to accomplish. To reconcile the rebellious fallen people of God through a blood sacrifice and by propitiating God's righteous wrath of justice against sin. The only way for Christ to do this is to be in the flesh and born under the Law.
Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.​

 

[Mr GLee]

Let's look at John chapter 14:

1 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?”6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”
So, Jesus tells Thomas you do know him and have SEEN him. How could Thomas have seen the Father?
Now with John 5 GLee, Jesus emptied and humbled himself and became a human servant. His office is that of mediator between Man and God. He came to fulfill his Father's will to redeem those who he gave to his Son to save. This is prophesied and promised through a Covenant of Grace that the must Son must fulfill to accomplish. To reconcile the rebellious fallen people of God through a blood sacrifice and by propitiating God's righteous wrath of justice against sin. The only way for Christ to do this is to be in the flesh and born under the Law.
Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.​

No matter which way mankind turns it. God is not a man (creation) , We see him face to face or faith (the unseen things of God) to faith (the unseen things of God) in the revealed knowledge , God does not have a literal dying flesh and blood .

Moses saw the God of glory

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 13:12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

 

[Mr GLee]

Can you clarify this, before I comment. Are you suggesting that Jesus is like the Apostles and Prophets? Are you saying Christ is the Holy Spirit?

The passages are clear in what Jesus said and what he meant so did the Sanhedrin.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

These Jews picked up stones to throw at him, after hearing Jesus say, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am". This was Jesus telling them who is he; the God-Man. The One who the Law & Prophets spoke about.

If a person is sent with prophecy they are apostles. Jesus dwelling in dying flesh is no different than another prophet. He is the prophet all prophets testified to or looked ahead .

Jesus our brother in the lord declared whosoever does the will of the invisible head are his brothers and sisters

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Ladodgers6]

No matter which way mankind turns it. God is not a man (creation) , We see him face to face or faith (the unseen things of God) to faith (the unseen things of God) in the revealed knowledge , God does not have a literal dying flesh and blood .

See, Mr. Glee, I was hoping that you would have continue to read the rest of passages in John chapter 14. God the Son did come in the Flesh & Blood. This was prophesied and Promised by God the Father. Not understand it doesn't make it false. By saying God cannot do this, so to not only call God a lair, but it also limits his power and his word, right?

But let's look at more passages in John 14:8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or else believe on account of the works themselves.​

Whoever has seen me has seen the Father, Jesus says to Phillip. Is this not clear enough?

Moses saw the God of glory

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

This is not literally face to face; it was a pillar of cloud. But again let's continue to read the rest of these passages. Exodus 33:20 But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.” 21 And the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen.”​

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

This passage shows the Glory of GOD in the face of Jesus Christ. Again saying that Christ is the God-Man.

1 Corinthians 13:12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Why this passage? Knowing Christ, and who do you say the Son is, is also knowing the Father.

 

[Ladodgers6]

If a person is sent with prophecy they are apostles. Jesus dwelling in dying flesh is no different than another prophet. He is the prophet all prophets testified to or looked ahead .

The prophecies were about Christ, the coming Messiah; God incarnate. Yes, he came in the flesh and blood. He was able to suffer, feel pain, bleed. But this was prophesied. Christ was born in the flesh to restore what the first Adam failed to do, when he broke the Covenant of Works in the Garden with disobedience; which brought sin, death and punishment upon the whole human race. The Last Adam, Christ, came and fulfilled the broken Covenant of Works with perfect obedience, that brings free gift of righteousness, life and eternal life.

Romans 5:15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.​

Jesus our brother in the lord declared whosoever does the will of the invisible head are his brothers and sisters

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Okay, what is Jesus saying Mr. GLee before I reply. What do you think Jesus is saying here?

 

[Mr GLee]

The prophecies were about Christ, the coming Messiah; God incarnate. Yes, he came in the flesh and blood. He was able to suffer, feel pain, bleed. But this was prophesied. Christ was born in the flesh to restore what the first Adam failed to do, when he broke the Covenant of Works in the Garden with disobedience; which brought sin, death and punishment upon the whole human race. The Last Adam, Christ, came and fulfilled the broken Covenant of Works with perfect obedience, that brings free gift of righteousness, life and eternal life.

Word have meaning attached.

Christ = "the Anointed, having nothing to do with the dying flesh of Jesus the prophet who declared his own flesh profits for zero

Christ the anointing (teaching) is of Holy Spirit of the Father. Our invisible head. He was not born in the flesh. The Father breathed life to the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus, our brother in the Lord..

God is not a Jewish man as King of king.

hat tittle belong to the invisible head we call no man on earth (dying mankind )Holy Father, Holy See, Prince of the apostles, Vicar of Christ our Pope a daysman . Ruler of Rome

Catholicism makes a mockery of the living word the sword of the Holy Spirit of the Father (sola scriptura)

Spending thier whole life defending the wrong writen law called the CCC the book of their own laws of dying mankind.

Following. . I heard it through the legion of fathers grapevine pass it around the table . 3500 and rising patron saints as disembodies gods

Seeking the dead for those alive

Why in the world practice necromancy rather than obeying sola scriptural???????????.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Word have meaning attached.

Christ = "the Anointed, having nothing to do with the dying flesh of Jesus the prophet who declared his own flesh profits for zero

Christ the anointing (teaching) is of Holy Spirit of the Father. Our invisible head. He was not born in the flesh. The Father breathed life to the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus, our brother in the Lord..

God is not a Jewish man as King of king.

hat tittle belong to the invisible head we call no man on earth (dying mankind )Holy Father, Holy See, Prince of the apostles, Vicar of Christ our Pope a daysman . Ruler of Rome

Catholicism makes a mockery of the living word the sword of the Holy Spirit of the Father (sola scriptura)

Spending thier whole life defending the wrong writen law called the CCC the book of their own laws of dying mankind.

Following. . I heard it through the legion of fathers grapevine pass it around the table . 3500 and rising patron saints as disembodies gods

Seeking the dead for those alive

Why in the world practice necromancy rather than obeying sola scriptural???????????.

GLee, before I address this post are you going to answer my questions?

 

[Mr GLee]

The prophecies were about Christ, the coming Messiah; God incarnate. Yes, he came in the flesh and blood. He was able to suffer, feel pain, bleed. But this was prophesied. Christ was born in the flesh to restore what the first Adam failed to do, when he broke the Covenant of Works in the Garden with disobedience; which brought sin, death and punishment upon the whole human race. The Last Adam, Christ, came and fulfilled the broken Covenant of Works with perfect obedience, that brings free gift of righteousness, life and eternal life.

I think I answered it .

No such thing as God incarnate. Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of the Father. He was not born in the flesh. . . he was not born at all

Worshiping the flesh of dying of mankind

.God is not dying mankind. He as eternal Spirit remains without mother or father, beginning of spirit life or end thereof. God is not a Jewish man as Kings of kings

As sons of God we have the power to please our unseen head but it as a labor of his love works in us not of dying mankind

2 Corhtitains 4: 7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Satan the god of "you are the power" Why believe a invisible head. rather than lusting after the flesh after the lust of the eye. . the two false pride builders ? Be your own god . ascend to the clouds

He came working in flesh and blood the dying things of mankind the temporal seen. But never came as creation. dying mankind the Pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind." God of the Bible thumpers ?




He is the eternal Creator

 

[Ladodgers6]

I think I answered it .

No you avoided all the passages I provided. But it's your prerogative to believe whatever you want.

No such thing as God incarnate. Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of the Father. He was not born in the flesh. . . he was not born at all

Well, Scripture prophesied of the coming Messiah; God incarnate. I will stick to Scripture Alone. Conjecture and reasoning of fallen man is suspect to me.

Please if you wouldn't mind explain these passages.

John 14:5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.”

So how could Thomas have SEEN the Father? ​

 

[grace2]

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

That only means Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.

 

[grace2]

Yes, he does, even though Scripture explicitly affirms Jesus is God incarnate.

Where is the evidence of this assertion?????????

 

[Ladodgers6]

GLee, does a person need to be born again to be saved?