Who Brought Jesus Back from the Dead?

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

What do you do with... John 1:1,14 NASB95 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [14] And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

I understand that "The Word" is a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" of Proverbs 8 who was with God in the creation. "The Word" in John 1:1 speaks of God's Wisdom, Plan and Purpose that came to fruition in the birth and development of Jesus, so that at the time of His Ministry, Jesus could be considered to be "full of grace and truth". The whole process is speaking of a moral development, not the transfer of an immortal being into the womb of Mary. Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35 teach how Jesus came into existence.

I think I'm catholic, holding to the early orthodox creeds.

The Athanasian Creed states that in order to be saved, one must accept the Catholic Faith:
"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this:"
"This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved."
This Creed was not written by Athanasius, but assumed to originate in the 6th Century. The Catholic Church was very corrupt by the 6th Century.

What line?

Other aspects of the "Catholic Faith", such as Mary Worship and the Immaculate Conception.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[makesends]

TrevorL said:
Greetings Eleanor, prism and Greetings again Dialectic Skeptic,
My objection to your earlier post, was that as soon as a Trinitarian sees God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit they immediately equate this with the Trinity.
I was brought up at home and at Sunday School to believe that there is One God, the Father and that our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and
the Holy Spirit is God's Power.

Nevertheless, the NT presents Father, Son and Holy Spirit (neuter gender) as persons:
1) with personal pronouns (he, him - masculine gender),
2) personal titles (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), and
3) personal functions (intelligence, will, affections),
4) personal actions (speaking, deciding, forbidding, testifying, searching into secrets, showing the future, sending out missionaries, interceding, enabling, leading, generating Christ's body and soul, Mt 1:18).

I would add to what @Eleanor said, a small addition, lest you mistake her to mean anything different. She is saying that EACH of the three persons is represented by those 4 statements; it is not only that God himself is represented by them, but that in Scripture, each of them individually is described by those things.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again DialecticSkeptic,

Practically every Christian throughout the world believes that "Jesus was a human" and "a dead human" during the three days.

If Jesus was a dead human, then he had no consciousness and could not raise himself from the dead. There was no "God the Son" hovering outside the tomb, waiting to raise his human half.

I have already stated the following, but you seem content to ignore the concept that Jesus asked God His Father to raise Him from the dead. If Jesus could accomplish this on His own, why ask the Father?

On the subject of the resurrection, I believe that Jesus' involvement goes as far as the fact that he kept himself Holy, in full fellowship with the Father, and without sin, and according to the love of God and God's righteousness, this necessitated his resurrection. But I believe that it was the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead:
Psalm 21:1–6 (KJV): 1 The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice! 2 Thou hast given him his heart’s desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah. 3 For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head. 4 He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. 5 His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him. 6 For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.

And a similar statement or concept is found in the following:
Hebrews 5:5–9 (KJV): 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Jesus is relying upon God His Father to save Him from death. So if He could save Himself, why the impassioned prayer?

Don't be coy. The forge of debate is a great place to do that. Put the explanations on the table. If they can't even survive this place, you definitely don't want to use them elsewhere.

No, I will reserve my opinions until I am confident that I understand those "difficult passages". I have already stated above what I consider to be the limit of Jesus' involvement, that his contribution was His submission to the Will of God His Father and being Holy and staying within the ambit of the Love of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[prism]

Church of England (a.k.a. Anglican).

Anglican (1923 Prayer Book), I've heard of, but not the other.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

Anglican (1923 Prayer Book), I've heard of, but not the other.

The Name of the Anglican Church in Australia is called "The Church of England". It is called the Episcopal Church in the USA, and is similar. They claim to be a sort of "Catholic", and endorse the Athanasian Creed, but do not endorse ALL of the strange Roman Catholic doctrines.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[prism]

I understand that "The Word" is a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" of Proverbs 8 who was with God in the creation. "The Word" in John 1:1 speaks of God's Wisdom, Plan and Purpose that came to fruition in the birth and development of Jesus, so that at the time of His Ministry, Jesus could be considered to be "full of grace and truth". The whole process is speaking of a moral development, not the transfer of an immortal being into the womb of Mary. Matthew 1:20-21 and Luke 1:34-35 teach how Jesus came into existence.

I.C. and God's 'wisdom, plan and purpose' became flesh? (according to John 1:14a)

The Athanasian Creed states that in order to be saved, one must accept the Catholic Faith:
"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith unless every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this:"
"This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved."
This Creed was not written by Athanasius, but assumed to originate in the 6th Century. The Catholic Church was very corrupt by the 6th Century

Unlike God's Word which isn't up for picking and choosing, I reject their opinion on what constitutes a'saved' person, but when comparing it with Scripture, I find it's statement on the Trinity quite good.
God's grace will reveal this matter to us as we grow in Him.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

I.C. and God's 'wisdom, plan and purpose' became flesh? (according to John 1:14a)

Who is the Wise Woman "Wisdom" who preached on the street corner in the days of Solomon, and who was also with Yahweh in the creation of the world:
Proverbs 8:1–11 (KJV): 1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Proverbs 8:22–31 (KJV): 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

If Jesus was a dead human, then he had no consciousness and could not raise himself from the dead.

Under your Christadelphian view, sure. It would be impossible for him to do that.

But according to scripture, he was not just human but also God. I know, you disagree, but it accounts for how Jesus could claim to possess sovereign authority over his own life and death, including the power to raise himself.

I have already stated the following, but you seem content to ignore the concept that Jesus asked God his Father to raise him from the dead.

I am ignoring it because it's something we both agree on, that Jesus beseeched the Father to save him from death. "Yet not what I will," he added, "but what you will." He knew it was for this hour that he had come.

If Jesus could accomplish this on his own, why ask the Father?

Because Jesus neither said nor did anything except what was given him to do or say by the Father. His obedience was perfect.

No, I will reserve my opinions until I am confident that I understand those "difficult passages."

Fair enough. I will accept your concession.

I have already stated above what I consider to be the limit of Jesus' involvement, ...

For the sake of others, I repeat: The limitation is a product of denying the Trinity.

The one who is fully human and fully God—united without confusion, without change, without division, and without separation—is not limited thus.

 

[DialecticSkeptic]

Anglican (1923 Prayer Book), I've heard of, but not the other.

Church of England: This is the official state church of England, established by Henry VIII in the 16th century during the English Reformation.

Anglican: This refers broadly to churches that trace their origins to the Church of England and belong to the worldwide Anglican Communion. The Anglican Communion consists of autonomous national and regional churches that share historical and theological ties with the Church of England but are self-governing.

Episcopalian: This is the Anglican church in the United States. The Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion but has theological and liturgical differences from the Church of England. The term "Episcopalian" is primarily used in the U.S. and some other regions, while most other Anglican churches simply use "Anglican."

 

[prism]

Greetings again prism,

Who is the Wise Woman "Wisdom" who preached on the street corner in the days of Solomon, and who was also with Yahweh in the creation of the world:
Proverbs 8:1–11 (KJV): 1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? 2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. 3 She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors. 4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man. 5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart. 6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. 7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips. 8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them. 9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge. 10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold. 11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Proverbs 8:22–31 (KJV): 22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

Kind regards
Trevor

I'm still not sure how you go from wisdom as a wise woman to the Incarnate God (Jn 1:14a).

 

[prism]

Church of England: This is the official state church of England, established by Henry VIII in the 16th century during the English Reformation.

Anglican: This refers broadly to churches that trace their origins to the Church of England and belong to the worldwide Anglican Communion. The Anglican Communion consists of autonomous national and regional churches that share historical and theological ties with the Church of England but are self-governing.

Episcopalian: This is the Anglican church in the United States. The Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion but has theological and liturgical differences from the Church of England. The term "Episcopalian" is primarily used in the U.S. and some other regions, while most other Anglican churches simply use "Anglican."

Yup, it was the CofE term I hadn't heard of.

 

[prism]

Greetings again prism,

The Name of the Anglican Church in Australia is called "The Church of England". It is called the Episcopal Church in the USA, and is similar. They claim to be a sort of "Catholic", and endorse the Athanasian Creed, but do not endorse ALL of the strange Roman Catholic doctrines.

Kind regards
Trevor

Many Lutherans embrace the creeds,yet see themselves as Catholic but are 180 deg.
From Roman Catholicism in it's doctrine.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

I'm still not sure how you go from wisdom as a wise woman to the Incarnate God (Jn 1:14a)

I do not accept that Jesus is the Incarnate God. I understand that John 1:14 teaches that Jesus is a human, the only begotten Son of God because God the Father was His father through the power of the Holy Spirit and Mary was his mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35. At the start of His ministry and throughout His ministry the Apostle John observed the moral glory (not physical glory) revealed through Jesus and summarises this as Jesus was "full of grace and truth". There is no mention of a physical transfer of God the Son into the womb of Mary. Most Trinitarians ignore the significance of the meaning of the WORD (Logos) in this context of John 1:1,14.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[prism]

I understand that John 1:14 teaches that Jesus is a human,

John 1:14 NASB95
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1 NASB95
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If you honestly couple the Word in vs1 (as God) with vs.14 (as human), you still see Jesus as God and human'?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

If you honestly couple the Word in vs1 (as God) with vs.14 (as human), you still see Jesus as human?

I understand "The Word" in John 1:1 is a personification similar to the Wise Woman "Wisdom" in Proverbs 8. There is a partial personification of the Word in the following:
Psalm 33:6,9 (KJV): 6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. 9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Isaiah 55:8–11 (KJV): 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Your view of John 1:1 is that there were two Beings in heaven before the advent of Jesus, God the Father and God the Son, but this is not taught in the Scriptures. There is one picture of the Throne of God in the OT, and this is God the Father sitting upon God the Father's Throne:
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
There is no God the Son already sitting at the right hand of God, but this is a prophecy of God the Father inviting Jesus, a human, David's Lord, the Son of God to sit down at His right hand after the resurrection of Jesus. Neither is there a picture of God the Holy Spirit sitting at the left hand or hovering.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[prism]

Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
There is no God the Son already sitting at the right hand of God, but this is a prophecy of God the Father inviting Jesus, a human, David's Lord, the Son of God to sit down at His right hand after the resurrection of Jesus. Neither is there a picture of God the Holy Spirit sitting at the left hand or hovering.

The letter to the Hebrews often quotes this passage referring to the necessity of the Incarnation and Christ's role as a high priest, besides, how can a mere man act as High Priest fielding thousands of prayers simultaneously?

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again DialecticSkeptic,

Under your Christadelphian view, sure. It would be impossible for him to do that.

Yes, as a direct action.

But according to scripture, he was not just human but also God. I know, you disagree, but it accounts for how Jesus could claim to possess sovereign authority over his own life and death, including the power to raise himself.

I cannot accept the Trinity, and would consider this particular argument as proof of the Trinity is not sufficient in the light of the rest of Scripture. I place it in the "difficult passages" basket, but judging from my age, this may never be resolved in my mind.

I am ignoring it because it's something we both agree on, that Jesus beseeched the Father to save him from death. "Yet not what I will," he added, "but what you will." He knew it was for this hour that he had come.

But I put this in the category of contradictions that Trinitarians accept without question. Either Jesus needed God the Father to save him out of death and give him life, or he was quite capable of saving himself and granting his own resurrection. This is similar to the many contradictions that Trinitarians accept.
1. Trinitarians accept that as God He knew all things, even from youth. As a youth he was educated and grew in wisdom. Did he have two minds?
2. God is immortal, but Jesus was mortal.
3. God is Supreme, Jesus is subordinate to God.
4. God cannot be tempted. Jesus was tempted.
5. God is omniscient (all knowing). Jesus was never omniscient.
6. God cannot be seen by man. Jesus was seen by man.

Fair enough. I will accept your concession.

One of my possibilities is that it is a further development of the language contained in the Yahweh Name:

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Thread 'The Yahweh Name'

Aug 18, 2023

The Yahweh Name Part 1 Initial Declaration and Fulfilment
The following is a consideration of the Yahweh Name that was revealed in Exodus 3:14-15. It is hoped that the following comments will help to explain some of the language of both the OT and NT and the true role of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

The Name of God was revealed to Moses in the following terms:
Exodus 3:14-15 (KJV): 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus...

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As this exposition of the Yahweh Name is different to your beliefs, it would be unfruitful to further develop what could be a subsidiary portion.

For the sake of others, I repeat: The limitation is a product of denying the Trinity.
The one who is fully human and fully God—united without confusion, without change, without division, and without separation—is not limited thus.

As suggested above, I find this definition as confusing, contradictory and impossible. It is a bit of a quantum leap for me to grasp even my fellowship's understanding of this subject and some of the difficult passages. But I would find the concept of the Trinity an impossible quantum leap.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again prism,

The letter to the Hebrews often quotes this passage referring to the necessity of the Incarnation and Christ's role as a high priest

There is no mention of the supposed Trinitarian "Incarnation" in Psalm 110:1 and Psalm 110:4.
Psalm 110:1–4 (KJV): 1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Jesus has been exalted to become High Priest because he fulfills ALL the requirements, and a major one of these is that He is a Human, The Son of Man and the Son of God, not God the Son:
Hebrews 2:17–18 (KJV): 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Hebrews 3:1–6 (KJV): 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; 2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house. 3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house. 4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God. 5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; 6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 4:12–16 (KJV): 12 For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 5:1–9 (KJV): 1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. 3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron. 5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. 6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; 9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

besides, how can a mere man act as High Priest fielding thousands of prayers simultaneously?

Jesus is not a mere man. He is the Son of God, by birth, character and resurrection. He has now been made immortal, and exalted to sit at God's right hand and has been given (not inherent) all power in heaven and earth. There is no Trinity here. I am not interested in answering ALL of your shallow syllogisms, especially when you ignore what the Scriptures actually say.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[prism]

There is no mention of the supposed Trinitarian "Incarnation" in and .

I never said there was, what I said was "The letter to the Hebrews often quotes this passage referring to the necessity of the Incarnation and Christ's role as a high priest"...
(KJV) Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Heb 2:17 (incarnation)

(KJV) For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. Heb 2:5-8)

(KJV) Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; (Heb 5:9) (incarnation)


(KJV) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. (Heb 4:14) High Priest)


(KJV) For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins. (Heb 5:1) (High Priest)

(KJV) Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. (Heb 6:19) (High Priest)

Jesus has been exalted to become High Priest because he fulfills ALL the requirements, and a major one of these is that He is a Human, The Son of Man and the Son of God, not God the Son:

Would you mind explaining that difference between the Son of God and God the Son?

Jesus is not a mere man. He is the Son of God, by birth, character and resurrection. He has now been made immortal, and exalted to sit at God's right hand and has been given (not inherent) all power in heaven and earth. There is no Trinity here

I will wait to hear your explanation of the difference between the Son of God and God the Son.

I am not interested in answering ALL of your shallow syllogisms, especially when you ignore what the Scriptures actually say.

Very well, I will acknowledge what this scripture says and start off with this verse...

Matthew 15:14 (KJV) Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

 

[Eleanor]

Greetings again prism,

I do not accept that Jesus is the Incarnate God.

You simply do not believe the apostolic teaching of Jesus (Lk 10:16); i.e.,
the Word was God (Jn 1:1), and the Word who was God became flesh Jn 1:14).