TrevorL
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Greetings again prism,
I have a difficulty in that if Jesus was God, why is it that Jesus claims that he speaks the Father's words, and that the miracles that he wrought were from God the Father?
John 14:9–10 (KJV): 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Acts 2:22 (KJV): Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
As to the term "the Son of God" I do not know what Trinitarians believe as there is no comparison to our normal understanding of this, that of a father who produces a son. My impression is that Trinitarians are forced to use this expression "the Son of God" because of its repeated occurrence in the NT, but they really reject what it is saying.
My belief is that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God the Father, in God the Father's Throne. Jesus is The Son of God by birth, God the Father is His father and Mary his mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, and Jesus is The Son of God by character, He was full of grace and truth John 1:14, and He is now the Son of God by resurrection into immortality.
Kind regards
Trevor
Psalm 110:1,4 do NOT necessitate the Incarnation, and neither do the various verses that you quote from Hebrews. They speak of the fact that Jesus as a human and the Son of God was exalted by God to the position of High Priest.
Perhaps you should explain the difference, and I suspect that there are many different views among Trinitarians as to the meaning of these terms. I will try to approximate the Trinitarian position on God the Son, and allow you to correct me if you differ. I assume that Trinitarians believe that there were three Beings in heaven before the Creation, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and the relationship between God the Father and God the Son was not an indication of the normal father/son relationship, where the father gives birth to the son. They both existed from eternity, and if there is a begettal then this begettal was somehow in eternity, and this is the explanation of John 1:14 that Jesus was "the only begotten of the Father". The Incarnation is where somehow God the Son is infused into the womb of Mary, and as such Jesus has two natures, he is a God/man.
I have a difficulty in that if Jesus was God, why is it that Jesus claims that he speaks the Father's words, and that the miracles that he wrought were from God the Father?
John 14:9–10 (KJV): 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Acts 2:22 (KJV): Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
As to the term "the Son of God" I do not know what Trinitarians believe as there is no comparison to our normal understanding of this, that of a father who produces a son. My impression is that Trinitarians are forced to use this expression "the Son of God" because of its repeated occurrence in the NT, but they really reject what it is saying.
My belief is that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ is a human, now exalted to sit at the right hand of God the Father, in God the Father's Throne. Jesus is The Son of God by birth, God the Father is His father and Mary his mother Matthew 1:20-21, Luke 1:34-35, and Jesus is The Son of God by character, He was full of grace and truth John 1:14, and He is now the Son of God by resurrection into immortality.
Kind regards
Trevor
