God will make anyone eternal if he or she is faithful like Jesus.
No one is faithful like Jesus.
Not God s eternal by nature we are by grace
it's a strange way to put it.
Jesus is also a Jew under the law.
In the context of the chapter Jesus is comparing himself to the manna that God sent from heaven. It isn't literally about pre-existing with the manna in heaven.
So Jesus came into existence immediately before Abraham was born?
Correct, but not God.
C.S. Lewis appears to be shamelessly using a false dichotomy, presenting only two options, both of which are extreme, i.e., either Jesus is crazy or he's God. Neither are true. When Jesus was teaching he was teaching the things God was telling him to teach.
Bless you for your tenacious faith.
Yes, I know. What I don't know is how that has anything to do with the OP or anything I have said.
I don't know where you got the idea that I though He meant He was comparing Himself as pre-existing with the manna. He came down from heaven just as the manna did---from God, therefore, out of God. He is saying though the manna in the wilderness, nourished, fed, sustained life in the wilderness, He is the true bread of true life. Life only comes from God.
I don't know where you get the idea of "immediately" before Abraham was born, from? I don't know what you are interjecting that into the conversation as though it somehow proved Jesus isn't God. It simply means Jesus existed before Abraham, and the structure of the statement "Before Abraham was, I am." shows an intentional use of the name God gave to Moses when He sent him to deliver Israel out of Egypt. And the Jews He was speaking to, as it was their covenant name for God, had know disillusions (as those who deny His deity do) as to exactly what He was saying and why He said it that way.
There is only one Lord.
It is not a false dichotomy. It is one or the other. Any created man who equated himself as being equal to God, speaking the things that Jesus spoke, saying He would rise from the dead, that he had the power to lay down or take up his own life etc. etc. you yourself would call a lunatic, and get as far away from him as you could. And he would be a lunatic, which is a word used in Lewis' day, that we now refer to someone with mental problems. At the very least, a serious case of probably multiple personality disorders. And you would think that, even if the person said they were only speaking what God told them to speak. No doubt you would have thought so had you been there when Jesus said those things, since you still do not believe He is who He says He is.
Of Jesus' disciples you said "who were Jews, steeped in the Mosaic Law and its sacrificial system," which is exactly what applies to Jesus. Jesus, his disciples, and all of the Israelites share the same God and it ain't Jesus.
If you quote John 6, you gotta accept the baggage that comes with it. The entire context is about Jesus comparing himself to non-eternal, non-immortal, manna that got rained down from the sky for the Israelites. That means Jesus isn't immortal or eternal. The Bible says so. That means Jesus isn't God.
You quoted Jesus' words where he said "before Abraham was, I am." That doesn't specify how many seconds, hours, days, etc Jesus existed before Abraham if he literally existed before Abraham at all. Now check the Old Testament... crickets... tumbleweeds... no mention of a Jesus, Son of God, Messiah, the Word, Immanuel, etc there. Know why? Because Jesus was only spoken of in prophecy in the OT.
Who is the only Sovereign Lord over all?
Jesus is either crazy or is God is something a mad man would say. I actually love C.S. Lewis' creativity. He's a genius in that area, but on matters of God he is basically using propaganda and he's wrong.
I don't even control it anymore. Even when I am tired the drive is there. I just thank God.
Just express your faith.
yes and if they were shadows, but the reality is Christ, then who is the light source? God is the light source shining on Christ who, in turn, is casting a shadow.
Nope. The only Sovereign Lord is the Father in Acts 4:24-27, Ephesians 4:4-6, 1 Timothy 6:14-16. Jesus is described as subordinate to the Father. So while yes Jesus is a Lord he isn't the highest Lord. There is a hierarchy in heaven. Yes Jesus is near the top of the list, but isn't God. No way.
