Why Did God Tell Israel That He is One?

[Tambora]

Greetings again Tambora,

The word "Elohim" is also used for the mortal Judges in Israel and it is these "Elohim" who are the subjects of Psalm 82.

If God wanted to say mortal judges in Ps 82, He would have used those words.
See what a lame rebuttal that is?

How come you omitted the Judges in Israel?

There is nothing in Ps 82 itself that makes the distinction of those elohim as being mortals.

If God wanted to say "Yahweh" in Psalm 82:1, He would have used this word, His Name here,

Lame.

but He used "Elohim". God's Name and various Titles have important teaching in each reference, and are not simply interchangeable.

Seriously????
No wonder you are so confused with the text.
You think the elohim that sits amidst the other elohim and admonishes them for not being just is not Yahweh.

I suggest again that you have failed to understand both Psalm 82 and John 10:30-36 in your attempt to squeeze the Trinity

Another lame argument, as I could just as easily suggest that you are attempting to remove the Trinity teaching from those scriptures.

The bottom line is that one cannot concretely prove that the second mention of "elohim" in Ps 82 is speaking of mortals.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Tambora,

If God wanted to say mortal judges in Ps 82, He would have used those words.
See what a lame rebuttal that is?

Looking at the Psalm as a whole:
Psalm 82:1–8 (KJV): 1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
v1: the gods Refer Post #390 which shows that the mortal Judges were addressed as "Elohim" in Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9.
v2: How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? This is speaking about judging individuals in the Land of Israel.
v3: Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. v4: Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. This is a reprimand that the mortal Judges need to amend their ways.
v5: they walk on in darkness: This speaks of the intransigence of these mortal Judges.
v6: I have said, Ye are gods The only Bible record where God speaks of individuals as "Elohim" who were likely to be dismissed from their position and die are the mortal Judges of Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9.
v7: But ye shall die like men This is speaking only of their mortality and that God may intervene and slay them.
v7: and fall as one of the princes This may have happened in the days of the Psalmist, but it is prophetic of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the resulting judgement on the Sanhedrin in AD 70 and possibly before on individuals.
v8: Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations This is a prophetic call to Jesus, the NEW Elohim to Judge the earth and establish His Kingdom.

Lame. Seriously????
No wonder you are so confused with the text.
You think the elohim that sits amidst the other elohim and admonishes them for not being just is not Yahweh.

I consider that the first "Elohim" are the Angels who God has delegated to look after the affairs of Israel and the earth. Yes, Yahweh is ultimately in control of ALL things.

Another lame argument, as I could just as easily suggest that you are attempting to remove the Trinity teaching from those scriptures.
The bottom line is that one cannot concretely prove that the second mention of "elohim" in Ps 82 is speaking of mortals.

I have attempted to substantiate the mortality of the Elohim in Psalm 82 again above, and cannot imagine any other possibility. Also the whole flow of John 10:30-36 is speaking of the Judges and Jesus' answers do not allow the Trinity. How do you blend Jesus' quotation of "I have said, Ye are gods" into an explanation of the Trinity? You have really ignored this so far and tried to override and hide this by your incorrect logic based on Psalm 82:1.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

Greetings again Tambora,

Looking at the Psalm as a whole:
Psalm 82:1–8 (KJV): 1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
v1: the gods Refer Post #390 which shows that the mortal Judges were addressed as "Elohim" in Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9.
v2: How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? This is speaking about judging individuals in the Land of Israel.
v3: Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. v4: Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. This is a reprimand that the mortal Judges need to amend their ways.
v5: they walk on in darkness: This speaks of the intransigence of these mortal Judges.
v6: I have said, Ye are gods The only Bible record where God speaks of individuals as "Elohim" who were likely to be dismissed from their position and die are the mortal Judges of Exodus 21:6 and Exodus 22:8-9.
v7: But ye shall die like men This is speaking only of their mortality and that God may intervene and slay them.
v7: But ye shall die like men This may have happened in the days of the Psalmist, but it is prophetic of the crucifixion of Jesus, and the resulting judgement on the Sanhedrin in AD 70 and possibly before on individuals.
v8: Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations This is a prophetic call to Jesus, the NEW Elohim to Judge the earth and establish His Kingdom.

I consider that the first "Elohim" are the Angels who God has delegated to look after the affairs of Israel and the earth. Yes, Yahweh is ultimately in control of ALL things.

I have attempted to substantiate the mortality of the Elohim in Psalm 82 again above, and cannot imagine any other possibility. Also the whole flow of John 10:30-36 is speaking of the Judges and Jesus' answers do not allow the Trinity. How do you blend Jesus' quotation of "I have said, Ye are gods" into an explanation of the Trinity? You have really ignored this so far and tried to override and hide tis by your incorrect logic based on Psalm 82:1.

Kind regards
Trevor

I would think the lord is the one Judge according to sola scriptura . Believers sit in the judgment seat also called the Mercy seat the authority the living abiding word of God

Moses is signified as the judge according to law, the Bible, not of the believers, own dying selves.

Matthew 23:1-323 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

When It became over whelming The lord sent Jethro to also sit in the seat of Moses or the mercy seat .Just as he does today protecting the integrity of the living word as Judge .

Exodus 16-19When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.And Moses' father in law said unto him, The thing that thou doest is not good. Thou wilt surely wear away, both thou, and this people that is with thee: for this thing is too heavy for thee; thou art not able to perform it thyself alone. Hearken now unto my voice, I will give thee counsel, and God shall be with thee: (Emanuel) Be thou for the people to God-ward, that thou mayest bring the causes unto God: And thou shalt teach them ordinances and laws, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do

No secret Judges .