Why Did God Tell Israel That He is One?

[Viking123]

Ok Long hair is the issue?

It can takes a little work of digging as for silver or gold But it does not apply in the case of Jesus, the Son of man . A Nazarene from Nazareth. The first denomination or sect listed .

Jesus under a ceremonial vow like that of Samson or Paul who shaved finishing the vow

Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.

Acts 24: 5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:

1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

The vow was gender neutral . Women were required to cover it .Again as a ceremonial law or shdow .

Whenever a new born again believer entered fellowship The women were to pare thier nail and shave thier heads . No beauty salon. . get your nails and hair done up. A picture of the submissive bride .

As man represents the glory of unseen God women covers the glory of men . Woman not left without a presentative glory of her own .She must cover her hair or head.

Upside down today some Jewish men covering thier head (yarmulke) exposing they have no gospel understanding

In the way the only glory is that of the two working as one new creature .

Revelation shows Satan coming in all his false glory ,Face of a man hair as the women .

Revelation 9:6-8King James Version And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

The new unbeauty salon. Pare the nails shave the head . A shave and nail surgery two bits (25 cents

The Christian look

Deuteronomy 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

A Nazarite, not a Nazarene.

 

[Mr GLee]

A Nazarite, not a Nazarene.

I would offer.

A Nazarite from Nazareth .

Matthew 2:23 He went and dwelt in a town called Nazareth, so that what was spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled: He shall be called a Nazarene [Branch, Separated One].

Not all were under the vow.

Below the introduction of the first listed denomination (sect of the Nazarenes.)

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a perfect pest (a real plague), an agitator and source of disturbance to all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the [heretical, [b]division-producing] sect of the Nazarenes.

 

[Tambora]

I AM. . .The let there be and it was good power of Christ

They thought he was calling his own dying self. . . . God

Christians as sons of God are gods having a spirit No longer called daughters of men or sons of men

John 10:34-36King James Version Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Jesus the Son of man would never blaspheme the name of I AM

Jesus was quoting from Ps 82.
So let's be clear about the verse and why Jesus quotes it.

Ps 82:1​

God [elohim] has taken his place in the divine council;​

in the midst of the gods [elohim] he holds judgment:​

We clearly see that the first elohim mentioned is Yahweh and the second elohim mentioned is a group that the first elohim (Yahweh) sits in the midst of.

As we read the rest of the verses we see that
Yahweh is the God who judges justly, and the group of gods judge unjustly.

Therefore we know that Jesus was not saying He was one of those gods that Yahweh sat in the midst of.
We know this because those gods [elohim] were being admonished by Yahweh for not being just and were judging unjustly.
Jesus was not unjust, nor did Jesus judge unjustly.
So the only "elohim" that Jesus could be in Psalms 82 is the elohim that judges justly, and that would be Yahweh.

So when Jesus has just told the crowd that He and the Father are one and then quotes Ps 82 (in John 10), the Pharisees knew what Jesus had claimed and was continuing to claim.

 

[Viking123]

I would offer.

A Nazarite from Nazareth .

Matthew 2:23 He went and dwelt in a town called Nazareth, so that what was spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled: He shall be called a Nazarene [Branch, Separated One].

Not all were under the vow.

Below the introduction of the first listed denomination (sect of the Nazarenes.)

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a perfect pest (a real plague), an agitator and source of disturbance to all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the [heretical, [b]division-producing] sect of the Nazar

I would offer.

A Nazarite from Nazareth .

Matthew 2:23 He went and dwelt in a town called Nazareth, so that what was spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled: He shall be called a Nazarene [Branch, Separated One].

Not all were under the vow.

Below the introduction of the first listed denomination (sect of the Nazarenes.)

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a perfect pest (a real plague), an agitator and source of disturbance to all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the [heretical, [b]division-producing] sect of the Nazarenes.

Being a Nazarite had 0 to do where one came from. It was more of a covenant between that one and God, like Samson. They could not drink alcohol, nor cut their hair until that Nazarite service was fulfilled.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus was quoting from Ps 82.
So let's be clear about the verse and why Jesus quotes it.

Ps 82:1​

God [elohim] has taken his place in the divine council;​

in the midst of the gods [elohim] he holds judgment:​

We clearly see that the first elohim mentioned is Yahweh and the second elohim mentioned is a group that the first elohim (Yahweh) sits in the midst of.

As we read the rest of the verses we see that
Yahweh is the God who judges justly, and the group of gods judge unjustly.

Therefore we know that Jesus was not saying He was one of those gods that Yahweh sat in the midst of.
We know this because those gods [elohim] were being admonished by Yahweh for not being just and were judging unjustly.
Jesus was not unjust, nor did Jesus judge unjustly.
So the only "elohim" that Jesus could be in Psalms 82 is the elohim that judges justly, and that would be Yahweh.

So when Jesus has just told the crowd that He and the Father are one and then quotes Ps 82 (in John 10), the Pharisees knew what Jesus had claimed and was continuing to claim.

Hi Thanks

All judgment is left to the unseen Holy Father.

Elohim us the dynamic dual

(1) Christ the invisible Father demonstrating his love through the temporal dying. (2) (Jesus the Son of man )

One judge many sons of God as gods. Sent forth to preach as apostles

John 10:34-36King James Version Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them (apostles) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Sends out gods two by two

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Can't see God gods

False his and hers gods called Patron saints on the rise daily.


Fale prohet false apotles whose hope is in I heard it through the father grapes vine .Oral tradtions of dying mankind

 

[Viking123]

Hi Thanks

All judgment is left to the unseen Holy Father.

Elohim us the dynamic dual

(1) Christ the invisible Father demonstrating his love through the temporal dying. (2) (Jesus the Son of man )

One judge many sons of God as gods. Sent forth to preach as apostles

John 10:34-36King James Version Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them (apostles) gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Sends out gods two by two

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Can't see God gods

False his and hers gods called Patron saints on the rise daily.


Fale prohet false apotles whose hope is in I heard it through the father grapes vine .Oral tradtions of dying mankind

god( small g = has godlike qualities= the ability to love, reason, etc.))) or for false gods= gets worship, etc.

 

[Mr GLee]

god( small g = has godlike qualities= the ability to love, reason, etc.))) or for false gods= gets worship, etc.

Exactly Jesus the Son of man fits into the god like quality like all born again from above. . strengthened by the father.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Tambora,

As we read the rest of the verses we see that
Yahweh is the God who judges justly, and the group of gods judge unjustly.

Therefore we know that Jesus was not saying He was one of those gods that Yahweh sat in the midst of.
We know this because those gods [elohim] were being admonished by Yahweh for not being just and were judging unjustly.
Jesus was not unjust, nor did Jesus judge unjustly.
So the only "elohim" that Jesus could be in Psalms 82 is the elohim that judges justly, and that would be Yahweh.

You are superimposing a condition and a logic from Psalm 82 which is not valid in its own context or in the context of John 10. The Judges were given the Divine title "Elohim" because of their responsibility and elevated position in Israel. The particular Judges that the Psalmist is condemning is against those Judges in Israel who were unfaithful.

We need to look at the context of John 10:
John 10:29–38 (KJV): 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one. 31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Jesus calls the One God, Yahweh, God the Father as his Father, and states that his Father is greater than all, including himself.

I and my Father are one. Jesus is not claiming here to be the One God, but that he is in unity with the One God, his Father. A quick comparison with John 17 shows that the Apostles and the believers are also part of this unity.

I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, Jesus gives us the reason why these Judges were called gods or Elohim, is because of their elevated position and responsibility in dispensing the judgements of God faithfully.

Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world Jesus, as well as the Judges, also had a special status and responsibility in the Jewish world. He had been sanctified by God, and sent into the world.

Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Jesus did not claim to be God, he claimed to be the Son of God, that is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father..

So when Jesus has just told the crowd that He and the Father are one and then quotes Ps 82 (in John 10), the Pharisees knew what Jesus had claimed and was continuing to claim.

Jesus answered the Pharisees' false accusation, and you still follow their error.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

You are superimposing a condition and a logic from Psalm 82 which is not valid in its own context or in the context of John 10. The Judges were given the Divine title "Elohim" because of their responsibility and elevated position in Israel. The particular Judges that the Psalmist is condemning is against those Judges in Israel who were unfaithful.

Where would you find that kind of idea that Judges are called Elohim?

Elohim two gods working as one .Two is the word that indicates the Father not seen demonstrates the power of the Father to raise the dead using the a created god Jesus the Son of God .

He is not ashamed to call us brothers and sisters

The key let us make a man that represents God and man (our image) so he did.

He created them man and woman to represent Christ our husband that works in a with his born again bride.

He created mankind male and female .He has no gender.

Genesis 1: 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings Mr GLee,

Where would you find that kind of idea that Judges are called Elohim?

Firstly note again that Jesus gives the reason why the Judges were called "gods" or Elohim:
I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, Jesus gives us the reason why these Judges were called gods or Elohim, is because of their elevated position and responsibility in dispensing the judgements of God faithfully.

Jesus is quoting from Psalm 82.
Psalm 82:6 (KJV): I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
We could examine the whole Psalm to gain further insights, but we will look at your question.

The Role and Responsibility of the Judges
It is interesting to note that the translators had difficulty with the relevant verses where the Judges acted in the role of God (Hebrew Elohim):
Exodus 21:6 (KJV): Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
Exodus 21:6 (ASV): then his master shall bring him unto God, and shall bring him to the door, or unto the door-post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever.

Exodus 22:8-9 (KJV): 8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods. 9 For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for donkey, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.
Exodus 22:8-9 (ASV): 8 If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall come near unto God, to see whether he have not put his hand unto his neighbor's goods. 9 For every matter of trespass, whether it be for ox, for donkey, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing, whereof one saith, This is it, the cause of both parties shall come before God; he whom God shall condemn shall pay double unto his neighbour.
In each of the above highlighted words, the Hebrew word is "Elohim", not the usual Hebrew word for "Judges."

The role and responsibility of the judges is indicated in the following:
Deuteronomy 1:17 (KJV): Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God's: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.

2 Chronicles 19:6 (KJV): And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who is with you in the judgment.

So the judges were called God or gods "Elohim" because they were united in administering the work or judgements of God. Jesus was claiming a similar though superior role as The Son of God, by calling and claiming God as His Father. He had been sanctified and sent by God, his Father. A careful consideration of John 10: 30 and 36 show that Jesus is not claiming to be God, but the Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

Firstly note again that Jesus gives the reason why the Judges were called "gods" or Elohim:
I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, Jesus gives us the reason why these Judges were called gods or Elohim, is because of their elevated position and responsibility in dispensing the judgements of God faithfully.

Jesus is quoting from Psalm 82.
Psalm 82:6 (KJV): I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
We could examine the whole Psalm to gain further insights, but we will look at your question.

I agree it means gods. In this case the us in Genesis 1:26. Two working as one. the promised display

Believers can judge or evaluate But the word Elohim stands alone as gods

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Mr GLee,

I agree it means gods. In this case the us in Genesis 1:26. Two working as one. the promised display

I have a different view of Genesis 1:26 as I consider that the "us" and "our" is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father inviting the Angels to participate in the creation of man in their image and after their likeness Psalm 8:5.

But the word Elohim stands alone as gods

Sometimes "Elohim" is used for the false gods of the nations:
Jeremiah 16:20 (KJV): Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

I have a different view of Genesis 1:26 as I consider that the "us" and "our" is the One God, Yahweh, God the Father inviting the Angels to participate in the creation of man in their image and after their likeness Psalm 8:5.

Thanks

I would agree the us = The Father and the son of man Jesus . The dynamic duo

The us in Genesis 3 :15 is according to the three day and night demonstration. The Father striking the Son bruising his heel. . .crushing the head of the father of lies

In the end of the matter Jesus was the first born of many "born again" sons of God as messengers sent with sola scriptura

Not angels but rather messenger apostles .

Angel a fake word not coined till the 5th century needed to give the illusion there is more than one invisible God . . called the legion of gods false prophets false apostles or antichrists.

' Also fulfilling the imaginary need of the suffer and wonder, suffer and wonder in Limbo or purgatory as if there was life after one breathed thier last breath

Some call patron (saints) ordained by the Pope his and hers gods (3500 and rising )as if they were angels (fake word)

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 8:13-15&version=KJV
Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Many call sons of God angels (fallen)

First loving commandment. Have no gods before Christ to include oneself

It is Christ in us not a legion of invisible gods as workers with a familiar spirit (dead)

 

[Tambora]

Greetings Tambora,

You are superimposing a condition and a logic from Psalm 82 which is not valid in its own context or in the context of John 10.

Nope.
The only elohim in Ps 82 that could possibly be about Christ is the elohim that judges justly.
That can only be the first elohim listed in the verse and cannot possibly be the other elohim that do not judge justly.
You shouldn't even try to lump Christ with the elohim that do not judge justly in Ps 82.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Tambora,

The only elohim in Ps 82 that could possibly be about Christ is the elohim that judges justly.
That can only be the first elohim listed in the verse and cannot possibly be the other elohim that do not judge justly.
You shouldn't even try to lump Christ with the elohim that do not judge justly in Ps 82.

I find it interesting that the words "God" and "the gods" are the same word "Elohim" in Hebrew:
Psalm 82:1 (KJV): God (S#430) standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods (S#430).

I read this is saying that the role of judging by the Judges has a higher authority, the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who works through His supervising Angels. These Judges should be very cautious as God and the Angels were about to intervene and dismiss them from their role.

I will hold onto the rest of my explanation in the earlier post. I consider that you have not fully examined what Jesus states in John 10:30-36.

Another feature of this whole episode is that I consider that Jesus was comparing these erroneous Judges with the present Pharisees and Sanhedrin who were directly confronting and opposing him and giving false judgement in condemning Jesus. God would soon intervene and judge them and remove them from their office.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Tambora]

Greetings again Tambora,

I find it interesting that the words "God" and "the gods" are the same word "Elohim" in Hebrew:

I don't because I can read, write, and speak Hebrew.

The Hebrew word "elohim" is used in scripture for beings of the spirit realm, which would include Yahweh, the sons of God (angels) in Job, the spirt of the deceased Samuel, and even demons (Deut 32:17).

Psalm 82:1 (KJV): God (S#430) standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods (S#430).

I read this is saying that the role of judging by the Judges has a higher authority, the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who works through His supervising Angels. These Judges should be very cautious as God and the Angels were about to intervene and dismiss them from their role.

What Ps 82 does is show Yahweh as the elohim that is admonishing the other elomim for not being just.

The ONLY elohim in Ps 82 that is just is Yahweh.
And Yahweh is admonishing the unjust ones.

Another feature of this whole episode is that I consider that Jesus was comparing these erroneous Judges with the present Pharisees and Sanhedrin

I'm sure He was, which is why they put it together with Him saying in the previous verse that He and the Father are one (and called that blasphemy) and now Jesus claiming to the be the Just Elohim in Ps 82 that is admonishing the unjust ones.
And they wanted to stone Him to death for His claims.
Claiming to be just some mortal judge is not a stoning offense, claiming to be God was.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Tambora,

I don't because I can read, write, and speak Hebrew.
The Hebrew word "elohim" is used in scripture for beings of the spirit realm, which would include Yahweh, the sons of God (angels) in Job, the spirit of the deceased Samuel, and even demons (Deut 32:17).

The word "Elohim" is also used for the mortal Judges in Israel and it is these "Elohim" who are the subjects of Psalm 82. We do not need a direct knowledge of Hebrew to discover this, but a careful use of Bible reading, Bible translations and reference books. How come you omitted the Judges in Israel?

What Ps 82 does is show Yahweh as the elohim that is admonishing the other elomim for not being just.
The ONLY elohim in Ps 82 that is just is Yahweh.
And Yahweh is admonishing the unjust ones.

If God wanted to say "Yahweh" in Psalm 82:1, He would have used this word, His Name here, but He used "Elohim". God's Name and various Titles have important teaching in each reference, and are not simply interchangeable.

I'm sure He was, which is why they put it together with Him saying in the previous verse that He and the Father are one (and called that blasphemy) and now Jesus claiming to the be the Just Elohim in Ps 82 that is admonishing the unjust ones.
And they wanted to stone Him to death for His claims.
Claiming to be just some mortal judge is not a stoning offense, claiming to be God was.

I suggest again that you have failed to understand both Psalm 82 and John 10:30-36 in your attempt to squeeze the Trinity into this passage which actually teaches that there is One God, Yahweh, God the Father and that Jesus is The Son of God.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Mr GLee]

Greetings again Tambora,

I find it interesting that the words "God" and "the gods" are the same word "Elohim" in Hebrew:
Psalm 82:1 (KJV): God (S#430) standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods (S#430).

I read this is saying that the role of judging by the Judges has a higher authority, the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who works through His supervising Angels. These Judges should be very cautious as God and the Angels were about to intervene and dismiss them from their role.

I will hold onto the rest of my explanation in the earlier post. I consider that you have not fully examined what Jesus states in John 10:30-36.

Another feature of this whole episode is that I consider that Jesus was comparing these erroneous Judges with the present Pharisees and Sanhedrin who were directly confronting and opposing him and giving false judgement in condemning Jesus. God would soon intervene and judge them and remove them from their office.

Kind regards
Trevor

There is one God that works in His creation.( gods, spirits ) One Judge the living word of God .

Angel is a fake word . Its Apostles sent as messengers beginning with Abel the first to be reckoned as the second born (born agin) .

Like the apostle Moses some call angel, Moses a apostle who judged Israel

Two, the dynamic duo working as one. The Father as God working in Jesus the son of man a god .

James 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Believer judge or evaluate each other according to as it is written the judge (sola scriptura)

Matthew 23:1-3King James Version2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

 

[Fred]

The Father as God working in Jesus the son of man a god .

The above looks like the Christology of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

 

[Mr GLee]

The above looks like the Christology of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hi Thanks a little different

Sons of God all believers as born again gods. . spirits the breath of God . .

All die not receiving the new incorruptible bodies Neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile

Is it not written in your Bible , Christ said, believers are gods?

The fist commandment speaks to us. God first then self (gods)

A spirit has not flesh and bone the temporal what the eyes see.