What Does God Mean When He Says He is One?

[makesends]

Gods word has already judged.
Jesus teaches-The Father is greater than i= Why?
The bible teaches--Only the Father knows the day and hour( of his day of anger) Why? If they are one?

Ironically enough, you are intelligent enough to figure this out on your own, were you so inclined.

The "Father is greater than I" is explained [at least] two ways, one of which is the same explanation as for your second point:

1. Christ gave up his divine prerogatives, while in the flesh his 33 years on earth. He depended on the Father for everything, just as we must.
2. Even a hierarchy in heaven implies no lack of one-ness or inequality of being. That notion (that one being 'greater' means the other is not one with the other) is only in your human assumptions.

 

[Binyawmene]

Gods word has already judged.

1 John 4:1-3.

Jesus teaches-The Father is greater than i= Why?

Hypostatic Union.

The bible teaches--Only the Father knows the day and hour( of his day of anger) Why?

Hypostatic Union.

If they are one?

Deity of Christ.

 

[Keiw1]

1 John 4:1-3.



Hypostatic Union.



Hypostatic Union.



Deity of Christ.

1John 4:3 speaks of the real Jesus. There are4 different ones taught on earth, one is real.

 

[Binyawmene]

1John 4:3 speaks of the real Jesus.

vs 3. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Did you meant to say 1 John 4:2?

There are4 different ones taught on earth, one is real.

The arch angel Michael is not the incarnate Jesus Christ in 1 John 4:2.

 

[Keiw1]

vs 3. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Did you meant to say 1 John 4:2?



The arch angel Michael is not the incarnate Jesus Christ in 1 John 4:2.

1Thess 4:16--Then how does he come with the archangels voice? Only 2 choices--Its his voice, or Michael loans him his voice. Which do you think it is?

 

[Binyawmene]

1Thess 4:16--Then how does he come with the archangels voice? Only 2 choices--Its his voice, or Michael loans him his voice. Which do you think it is?

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1). The Lord Jesus Christ has all authority and power after his resurrection. In his return, he commands angels who are with him.

2). The word "with" could mean: (a). an archangel who is with Jesus Christ is speaking, or (b). Jesus Christ is speaking with authority of an archangel.​

Either case. That is not proof that Jesus Christ is the archangel, Michael.

 

[Fred]

1Thess 4:16--Then how does he come with the archangels voice? Only 2 choices--Its his voice, or Michael loans him his voice. Which do you think it is?

Third choice: Christ is coming, but it is not Christ's voice.

 

[Keiw1]

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

1). The Lord Jesus Christ has all authority and power after his resurrection. In his return, he commands angels who are with him.​

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2). The word "with" could mean: (a). an archangel who is with Jesus Christ is speaking, or (b). Jesus Christ is speaking with authority of an archangel.​

Either case. That is not proof that Jesus Christ is the archangel, Michael.

No it says he comes with the archangels voice--it is his voice.
Other facts= Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in these last days.
Rev 6:2--The ride of the white horse = the war in heaven--yet he receives his crown=Only Jesus is getting the crown but Michael rode the white horse at 6:2)))) Rev 12 explains the war in heaven and the birth of Gods kingdom( he receives his crown is that birth) making that ride=Michael at the war in heaven at 6:2)
Rev 19:11 = the continuation of that( Rev 6:2) ride-Jesus is on it at 19:11--That ride doesn't stop until-Rev 20.
White horse= righteous war.

 

[Carbon]

Ironically enough, you are intelligent enough to figure this out on your own, were you so inclined.

Yep.

 

[makesends]

No it says he comes with the archangels voice--it is his voice.

So, let's see, he comes with the voice of the archangel. Even when I was a clueless little kid, this did not imply that Christ coming was himself calling out, but that an archangel was. Simple. I thought it was probably something along the lines of the Royal Herald crying out, as the King's procession goes through town, "Make way for the King!"

You make an awful lot of assumptions to get where you are going.

 

[Binyawmene]

No it says he comes with the archangels voice--it is his voice.
Other facts= Daniel 12:1--It is Michael who stands up for Gods chosen in these last days.
Rev 6:2--The ride of the white horse = the war in heaven--yet he receives his crown=Only Jesus is getting the crown but Michael rode the white horse at 6:2)))) Rev 12 explains the war in heaven and the birth of Gods kingdom( he receives his crown is that birth) making that ride=Michael at the war in heaven at 6:2)
Rev 19:11 = the continuation of that( Rev 6:2) ride-Jesus is on it at 19:11--That ride doesn't stop until-Rev 20.
White horse= righteous war.

This is an unsubstantiated claim. The Bible teaches us that all things will be subjected to the Son, not only in this world, but also, the world to come. And none of the angels (including Michael) wasn't chosen.

Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Ephesians 1:21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.​

There is no proof that Jesus Christ is the archangel, Michael. He is only mentioned five times in the Bible (Daniel 10:13, 21, 12:1, Jude 9, Revelation 12:7), and yet never do these verses indicate that he is to be equated with pre-existence, incarnation, exaltation, and the second coming of Christ (Hebrews 2:9, Philippians 2:9-11, Ephesians 1:20-23, 1 Peter 3:22, Revelations 5:11-14).

Michael is only one out of many "chief princes" from a group of them.

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.​

The word "all" includes Michael too. Common sense tells us that Jesus Christ didn't worship himself if he was only an angel.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”​

As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ rebukes the devil for not worshipping him as the LORD. And Michael, on the other hand, had to invoke the LORD to rebuke the devil.

Matthew 4:10-11 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”​

Jesus Christ is the judge. And one day we will judge angels but don't abuse that authority.

1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

2 Peter 2:11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.​

The real identity of Jesus Christ is the LORD. Would you like to publicly confess "Jesus is LORD" in this thread? I will assume that you will ignore everything I said and carry on like nothing never happen.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 10:32-33 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).​

 

[Mr GLee]

1Thess 4:16--Then how does he come with the archangels voice? Only 2 choices--Its his voice, or Michael loans him his voice. Which do you think it is?

Part of the problem is in the use of the fake word "angel". Rather than the English translation of the Greek word Angelous which is "messenger" UPS, Fed X ,Westerns Union. Uber etc. .How beautiful are the feet of the messengers apostles .

Jesus is the chief apostle as a messenger of Christ . The name Michael is befitting as a rhetorical question. Who is like God ? No man is like eternal God to include the Son of man, Jesus

2 Corinthians 11:4-6King James Version4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

Three throughout the Bible denotes the "end of a matter".

Two, Elohim is the number representing one God has spoke. The Elohim in Genesis 1:26 ( Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

Therefore using the temporal things seen dying flesh and blood to give us the unseen gospel understanding hid from the lost .

2 Corhtitains 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (or power) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The Power of God as Christ the husband our Holy Father

My understanding. . Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name(power) of the Father, and of the Son, powered (by) the Holy Ghost: The one Holy Spirit of our Holy God

Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he identified as one working as (Elohim )one the many sons of God as gods , Christians .

John 10:34-36King James VersionJesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The original dynamic dual.

Two gods (Elohim )working as one .

God as the Faithful "let there be Creator" and behold the temporal Son of man the dying creation the chief apostles .

Not angel the fake word. . fake creation

 

[Binyawmene]

Jesus is the chief apostle as a messenger of Christ.

The early stages of an undeveloped false doctrine [a proto-Dynamic Dual.].

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Jesus is the Christ.​

Jesus is not a messenger of Christ.​

There is no correlation between "Jesus is a messenger of Christ" (Got Scripture) with "Jesus is an Apostle." (Hebrews 3:1).​

The Power of God as Christ the husband our Holy Father

That's a tongue twister.

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Jesus is the Christ.​

Christ is not the Father.​

"Christ the husband" is an unscriptural title.​

The original dynamic dual.
Two gods (Elohim )working as one.
God as the Faithful "let there be Creator" and behold the temporal Son of man the dying creation the chief apostles.

Your beliefs are becoming extremely weird and bizarre.

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JW and LDS believe in two and more gods too.​

No where in the Bible says, "God spoke: 'Let there be a Creator'."​

 

[Mr GLee]

The early stages of an undeveloped false doctrine [a proto-Dynamic Dual.].
Jesus is the Christ.Jesus is not a messenger of Christ.There is no correlation between "Jesus is a messenger of Christ" (Got Scripture) with "Jesus is an Apostle." (Hebrews 3:1)

Hi Thanks. .
Our husband Christ. . meaning the one good anointing teacher master is not the Son of man Jesus . He taught the Son of man Jesus just as teaching believers today. His work of faith or labor of his "Let there be" and it was "very good lovin"

John 6: 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.(apostle)

John 6: 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

 

[Binyawmene]

Our husband Christ. . meaning the one good anointing teacher master is not the Son of man Jesus.

I know. You believe the Father is the Christ.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God

1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.​

What made you come to that conclusion? Did an angel tell you? Do you receive angelic revelations?

 

[Keiw1]

This is an unsubstantiated claim. The Bible teaches us that all things will be subjected to the Son, not only in this world, but also, the world to come. And none of the angels (including Michael) wasn't chosen.

Hebrews 2:5 It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come, about which we are speaking.​

​

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.​

​

Ephesians 1:21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.​

There is no proof that Jesus Christ is the archangel, Michael. He is only mentioned five times in the Bible (Daniel 10:13, 21, 12:1, Jude 9, Revelation 12:7), and yet never do these verses indicate that he is to be equated with pre-existence, incarnation, exaltation, and the second coming of Christ (Hebrews 2:9, Philippians 2:9-11, Ephesians 1:20-23, 1 Peter 3:22, Revelations 5:11-14).

Michael is only one out of many "chief princes" from a group of them.

Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.​

The word "all" includes Michael too. Common sense tells us that Jesus Christ didn't worship himself if he was only an angel.

Hebrews 1:6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”​

As a matter of fact, Jesus Christ rebukes the devil for not worshipping him as the LORD. And Michael, on the other hand, had to invoke the LORD to rebuke the devil.

Matthew 4:10-11 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.​

​

Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”​

Jesus Christ is the judge. And one day we will judge angels but don't abuse that authority.

1 Corinthians 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!​

​

2 Peter 2:11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.​

The real identity of Jesus Christ is the LORD. Would you like to publicly confess "Jesus is LORD" in this thread? I will assume that you will ignore everything I said and carry on like nothing never happen.

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.​

​

Matthew 10:32-33 32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven. (John 15:23-24, Luke 10:16, 1 John 2:22).​

Jesus is never called-LORD. He is called Lord, never LORD. Jehovah is the LORD in the OT, But men put that title there in place of Gods name, they had no right, LORD does not belong in Gods OT.
Michael said about Moses body--Jehovah rebuke you, not LORD.

 

[Keiw1]

Part of the problem is in the use of the fake word "angel". Rather than the English translation of the Greek word Angelous which is "messenger" UPS, Fed X ,Westerns Union. Uber etc. .How beautiful are the feet of the messengers apostles .

Jesus is the chief apostle as a messenger of Christ . The name Michael is befitting as a rhetorical question. Who is like God ? No man is like eternal God to include the Son of man, Jesus

2 Corinthians 11:4-6King James Version4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

Three throughout the Bible denotes the "end of a matter".

Two, Elohim is the number representing one God has spoke. The Elohim in Genesis 1:26 ( Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

Therefore using the temporal things seen dying flesh and blood to give us the unseen gospel understanding hid from the lost .

2 Corhtitains 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (or power) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The Power of God as Christ the husband our Holy Father

My understanding. . Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name(power) of the Father, and of the Son, powered (by) the Holy Ghost: The one Holy Spirit of our Holy God

Jesus was accused of blasphemy because he identified as one working as (Elohim )one the many sons of God as gods , Christians .

John 10:34-36King James VersionJesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

The original dynamic dual.

Two gods (Elohim )working as one .

God as the Faithful "let there be Creator" and behold the temporal Son of man the dying creation the chief apostles .

Not angel the fake word. . fake creation

Let us=Jehovah(Elohim) and his master worker( prov 8)= the one beside God during the creation. The one whom Elohim created things through and for( Col 1:16)
Gen 1:27-HE created-not WE.
Prov 8:27-28-HE created-not WE.
Isaiah 40:26-HE created-not WE.
HE = Elohim=Jehovah.

 

[Mr GLee]

I know. You believe the Father is the Christ.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.​

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1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God​

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1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.​

What made you come to that conclusion? Did an angel tell you? Do you receive angelic revelations?

No such thing as a angel creation . What was written that made me come to that conclusion is the seed Christ the Spiritual unseen head .His bride Christian, as residents of the city of Christ, named after her husband Christ

Jesus the Son of man our brother in the lord replied. Whosoever does the will of the father is his brother sister and mother. We call no man on earth Holy Father one is Christ in heaven not seen

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Binyawmene]

Jesus is never called-LORD. He is called Lord, never LORD.

Sadly. Most heretics and cultists often appeal to the semantic domain like "Son of God" can be applied to angels, men, Jesus Christ, etc. And usually, it's a distorted semantical definition when applying to Jesus Christ. Weird how that happens. Unfortunately, the Greek language and the translators failed to distinguish the semantic domain for "Lord." The word "Lord" Scripturally has varieties definitions carrying a wide range of semantical meanings, and everything just simply got render as Lord. But that is what Systematic Theology and Bible study is for so you can know the difference.

1). You've failed to prove that "Jesus is Michael," and deny the explicit statements that "Jesus is Lord" being clearly mentioned for instance:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (vs. 13 and Joel 2:32).

1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

2). Do you also deny the explicit statements that "Jesus is the Christ" like how the other poster in this thread does?

John 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.​

 

[Mr GLee]

Sadly. Most heretics and cultists often appeal to the semantic domain like "Son of God" can be applied to angels, men, Jesus Christ, etc. And usually, it's a distorted semantical definition when applying to Jesus Christ. Weird how that happens. Unfortunately, the Greek language and the translators failed to distinguish the semantic domain for "Lord." The word "Lord" Scripturally has varieties definitions carrying a wide range of semantical meanings, and everything just simply got render as Lord. But that is what Systematic Theology and Bible study is for so you can know the difference.

1). You've failed to prove that "Jesus is Michael," and deny the explicit statements that "Jesus is Lord" being clearly mentioned for instance:

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. (vs. 13 and Joel 2:32).​

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1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.​

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Philippians 2:11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

2). Do you also deny the explicit statements that "Jesus is the Christ" like how the other poster in this thread does?

John 20:31 But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.​

​

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.​

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1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well.​

I would offer there is offer no such things as unseen creation called angels .The English translation for the Greek word Angelous word is sent messenger. How beautiful are the feet the apostle (sent messenger) Not angel a fake word .

The fake word angel was developed to help promote disembodied workers with a familiar spirit gods male and female that some call patron saints (3,514) and new ones being elected. This was in order to give the illusion one does not really die as if death was not the end of the matter and mankind must suffer and wonder in Limbo or Purgatory. As if the fulness of Christ grace the complete cost of Salvation was applied to some Queen mother and the rest of the world a unknown remnant of grace ( the wondering doctrine a lying sign )

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As sons of God we have the spiritual born again seed Christ. Not seed in respect to dying mankind

Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The second born seed is applied to born again Abel to signify a person must be born again. Cain murdered him and God replaced him with another second born Enos .Then having established a man must be born from above, "then" not before began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

It was passed on from one second born to another until the birth of Jesus the Son of man .

Onan seeing no value in the unseen things of Christ's seed refused and spilled the born again seed. Esau seeing no value in spiritual eternal things, sold his birth rite for a cup of hairy goat soup to Jacob the second born.

Genesis 38:8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Some did know Christ the spiritual seed the anointing savor by the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord .But like all human born of women when he dies we can not know them any longer.

2 Corinthians 5:16King James Version Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The goal of the father of lies the man of sin to deceive all the nations of the world that eternal God is a Jewish man as King of kings.

Marvel not a man must be born again from Christ above.