What Does God Mean When He Says He is One?

[Arial]

the scripture you show never mentions Jesus is God.

Lie after lie, friend.

Who do you think they are talking about?

 

[grace2]

Who do you think they are talking about?

I am not interested in continuing with your insane talk.

You are in a desperate mood.

 

[makesends]

I am not interested in continuing with your insane talk.

You are in a desperate mood.

If I was to compare the tone of one against the tone of the other, I'd have to conclude that if there was any desperation —any insanity— it would be yours.

 

[Mr GLee]

I would offer. .

Like always we must be careful how we hear who we say we do . Satan is quick to snatch the spiritual born again seed of the living word.

Christ meaning the one anointing teaching Holy Spirit of God .

Like many doctrines the meaning a word as a foundation must be searched out to make sure we do not violate the law , destroy the meaning of a word. David said in the Psalms What could the believers do if the foundation of a word is destroyed?

Change the meaning of one word it can change all the commandments. It is the reason for the fall Adam and Eve believed false prophecy. (neither shall you touch it )

Deuteronomy4: 2Ye shall not add unto the word (single) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(single)that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Another commandment not add or subtract that has to do with the whole perfect is at the end of the book of law the Bible or book of prophecy . both together working as one in respect to one word or the, perfect whole. Protecting the integrity of the one author Christ the good anointing teaching master.

In that way we are to seek the approval of Him not seen eternal God . The loving commandment is study to show oneself approved rightly dividing or interpreting. Yoked with Christ that burden is made lighter if one does not harden thier heart and refuse to hear the understanding of faith .

It is not Jesus the Son of man in us that we are to seek the approval (flesh and Blood) .

Some did know the Christ the anointing Holy Spirit that worked in his dying flesh But he is gone . We can not know Christ the one teaching master .after the sinful flesh any man as dying mankind That 33 year opportunity has ben gone for over two thousand years

Satan would have mankind believe God is a Jewish man as King of Kings .

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

We are warned of those false prophets, false apostles that bring the oral traditons of dying mankind in 1 John 2 ;27 -28 who say we do need a man to teach us (antichrist false prophets sent as false apostle )

The word Christ and how it is used determines the outcome . Again change the meaning of one word change the outcome of the whole

Christ the anointing teacher master who anointed and declared him Holy. Jesus the Son of man became the first born of many sons of God born agin Christians who have also been anointed by the same Holy father .

One in Luke kneeled down in worship to dying flesh of the Son of man Jesus. The Son of man would never sit in the place of our invisible head (blasphemy to think so )

Mark 10:17-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

 

[Eleanor]

the scripture you show never mentions Jesus is God.

The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

 

[Runningman]

The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.

Nicodemus knew that Jesus isn't God, but rather a man God was with.

John 3
2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”

Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

 

[Eleanor]

The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.

Nicodemus knew that Jesus isn't God, but rather a man God was with.

John 3
2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”

Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.

Nicodemus knew that Jesus isn't God, but rather a man God was with.

John 3
2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”

Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.

I trust the NT text which shows that the Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

 

[Mr GLee]

The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

The dynamic dual.

Jesus the Son of man as born again . . . became the first of many sons of God .

Marvel not but rather believe a man to include himself humans dying mankind must be born again. Jesus is our brother in the lord not the unseen head the Father


The Father as Christ lovingly commands us to call not man on earth Holy Father It surely includes Jesus . . . . . our brother in the lord .The Son of man Jesus set the example for his brothers and sisters .

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. marveling wondering is not believing .Satan is the king of wondering .

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Its the Father that has no need, no desire to become a new creature. Impossible for the Faithful Creator (let the be ) become the and "it was good" before the fall. .Only God is good

Christ in us not Jesus the Son of man in us. Yoked with Christ our daily burden can be lighter with a future hope of a new incorruptible body beyond what the eyes see.

Romans 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Invisible God remains without father and mother beginning of Spirit life or end thereof .

Blasphemy against the unseen head ,No forgiveness. Forgiveness against the Son of man who showed the work of the Father, forgivable

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.

Christians in that way are gods .

 

[Runningman]

I trust the NT text which shows that the Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).

Did you keep reading? Contrary to those accusations, Jesus refuted them or denied them. God will say He’s God, but not Jesus. Jesus is a man whom God was with. It’s a genuine marvel to me how and why so many people who say they are Christian simply deny this. Follow Jesus’ words, not the words of those who were seeking to kill him.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

John 10
36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

 

[makesends]

The Trinity teaches that God is, was, and always will be one. There is no ontological identical and opposites of himself or some other gods. No equals. No comparisons. No instructors. The God of the Bible is alone and only. He is in a category of himself. There is no other of his kind and class. God is one. He cannot have any known or unknown ontological directional opposites and absences of himself. And there is no others before and after, above and below, backwards and forward, beside and in-between, etc.

To answer your question, I think it's more of a terminology problem and language barrier. The Trinity doctrine makes distinction between "person" and "being." And with its own different definitions. There are three persons in one Being (threeness in oneness). Most anti-trins don't make that distinction and see person/being as interchangeably the same definition. Or the titles "God" and "Father" is used interchangeably. See God, think Father, type of concept. So, basically they are superimposing their definitions into the Trinity doctrine and arriving at a strawman of three gods. You will often hear arguments like, "Which person is speaking?" If the Scriptures doesn't say who, then it's referring to the one Being ("I," "Me," "Myself" etc.)

The thing is, Trinitarians don't isolate the Father as the only sole person of God. When we speak about the persons alone distinctively, that doesn't mean the persons are separated or divided into another god. There is only one undivided and indivisible Divine Nature. Each person of the Trinity is completely and fully God indivisibly. And each person has the whole fullness of God's being in himself when spoken about distinctively. In reference to the Son who is wholly and fully God indivisibly and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself when spoken about distinctively. So, when we speak about the three persons distinctively, specifically the Son alone, then he is all of God's being.

One thing that to me affirms at least the possibility of God being three persons is found in the extremeness of God, so unlike us. We like to identify ourselves as being self-aware —how much more is HE then, self-aware, sentient !!! He, the source of very existence, is more than qualified to refer to his different persons accurately, and we (mostly) agree that he does so in the Bible.

And the Trinity we find in the Bible does not contradict the law of non-contradiction, because "person" and "being" are two different things. If God says both that he is one, and that the Holy Spirit is God, and that the Son of God is God, then it is true, whether it makes sense to us or not.

 

[Binyawmene]

One thing that to me affirms at least the possibility of God being three persons is found in the extremeness of God, so unlike us. We like to identify ourselves as being self-aware —how much more is HE then, self-aware, sentient !!! He, the source of very existence, is more than qualified to refer to his different persons accurately, and we (mostly) agree that he does so in the Bible.

God is a mystery after all. It's like you know it, but you just can't seem to express it and articulate it into words.

And the Trinity we find in the Bible does not contradict the law of non-contradiction, because "person" and "being" are two different things. If God says both that he is one, and that the Holy Spirit is God, and that the Son of God is God, then it is true, whether it makes sense to us or not.

Logically the Trinity doctrine makes sense to me.

If you understand these 10 outlines, I've typed out for you, then you know the basics of the Trinity doctrine.

1). God is one nature and that nature is triune.

⦁ God is not a conceptualize concept of a triangular.
⦁ A triangular is triune in nature.
⦁ One triangular and not two or three triangulars.
⦁ The triune nature is not divided and separated into parts.​

2). The three persons is what we called the Trinity.

⦁ Three persons
The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
⦁ Subsistence
Three persons in God.
God in three persons.
⦁ Relations
The Father is not begotten or proceeding.
The Son is begotten.
The Holy Spirit is proceeding.​

3). The persons are not separate unitary gods.

⦁ The persons don't have separate and private unitary natures.
⦁ Three persons and not one person.
Not Modalism (one person in different roles, modes, manifestations, etc.)
No confronting the three persons or infused (mixture)
⦁ Union of the three persons.
The Father is in the Son and in the Holy Spirit.
The Son is in the Father and in the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is in the Father and in the Son.​

4). The "is" (identity).

⦁ The Father is God.
God is the Father.
⦁ The Son is God.
God is the Son.
⦁ The Holy Spirit is God.
God is the Holy Spirit.
⦁ Not three gods, but one God.​

5). The "is" (predication).

⦁ The attributes/properties belong to the nature and not of the persons.
⦁ For example, of God's omni's is predicated to the persons.
Not three omnisciences but one omniscience.
Not three omnipotences but one omnipotence.
Not three omnipresences but one omnipresence.
The persons don't have their separate and private attributes.
⦁ For example, of God's will and consciousness is predicated to the persons.
Not three wills but one will.
Not three consciousness but one consciousness.
The persons don't have their separate and private will and self-center of consciousness.
⦁ If the attributes/properties belong to the persons and not to the nature.
Polytheism.
Tritheism.​

6). The "is not" (distinction)

⦁ The Father is not the Son.
The Son is the Father.
⦁ The Father is not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
⦁ The Son is not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Son.​

7). Each persons is wholly and fully God.

⦁ Each person is fully God according to the nature.
⦁ Each person is fully God when spoken about distinctively.​

7). Inseparable in both ontological and economical.

⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from the nature.
⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from each other.​

8). Equal in nature (ontological).

⦁ Consubstantial or of the same nature.
⦁ Co-equal and co-eternal
Whatever the Father is, the Son is.
Whatever the Father and the Son is, the Holy Spirit is.​

9). Subordinate in functional role (economical).

⦁ Equal to the Father ontologically and subordinate to the Father economically.
The Father sends the Son and also with the Son.
Both the Father and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.
⦁ The Son is equal to the Father according to the Divine Nature and subordinate to the Father according to the human nature.
⦁ Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to the Son. The Holy Spirit will take whatever belong to the Son and will reveal it to us. The Holy Spirit also comes in the Son's name.​

10). Our worship

⦁ To worship and glorify the Father is to worship and glorify the Son and Holy Spirit.
⦁ To worship and glorify the Son is to worship and glorify the Father and Holy Spirit.
⦁ To worship and glorify the Holy Spirit is to worship and glorify the Father and Son.​

 

[Mr GLee]

God is a mystery after all. It's like you know it, but you just can't seem to express it and articulate it into words.



Logically the Trinity doctrine makes sense to me.

If you understand these 10 outlines, I've typed out for you, then you know the basics of the Trinity doctrine.

1). God is one nature and that nature is triune.

​

⦁ God is not a conceptualize concept of a triangular.​

⦁ A triangular is triune in nature.​

⦁ One triangular and not two or three triangulars.​

⦁ The triune nature is not divided and separated into parts.​

2). The three persons is what we called the Trinity.

​

⦁ Three persons​

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.​

⦁ Subsistence​

Three persons in God.​

God in three persons.​

⦁ Relations​

The Father is not begotten or proceeding.​

The Son is begotten.​

The Holy Spirit is proceeding.​

3). The persons are not separate unitary gods.

​

⦁ The persons don't have separate and private unitary natures.​

⦁ Three persons and not one person.​

Not Modalism (one person in different roles, modes, manifestations, etc.)​

No confronting the three persons or infused (mixture)​

⦁ Union of the three persons.​

The Father is in the Son and in the Holy Spirit.​

The Son is in the Father and in the Holy Spirit.​

The Holy Spirit is in the Father and in the Son.​

4). The "is" (identity).

​

⦁ The Father is God.​

God is the Father.​

⦁ The Son is God.​

God is the Son.​

⦁ The Holy Spirit is God.​

God is the Holy Spirit.​

⦁ Not three gods, but one God.​

5). The "is" (predication).

​

⦁ The attributes/properties belong to the nature and not of the persons.​

⦁ For example, of God's omni's is predicated to the persons.​

Not three omnisciences but one omniscience.​

Not three omnipotences but one omnipotence.​

Not three omnipresences but one omnipresence.​

The persons don't have their separate and private attributes.​

⦁ For example, of God's will and consciousness is predicated to the persons.​

Not three wills but one will.​

Not three consciousness but one consciousness.​

The persons don't have their separate and private will and self-center of consciousness.​

⦁ If the attributes/properties belong to the persons and not to the nature.​

Polytheism.​

Tritheism.​

6). The "is not" (distinction)

​

⦁ The Father is not the Son.​

The Son is the Father.​

⦁ The Father is not the Holy Spirit.​

The Holy Spirit is not the Father.​

⦁ The Son is not the Holy Spirit.​

The Holy Spirit is not the Son.​

7). Each persons is wholly and fully God.

​

⦁ Each person is fully God according to the nature.​

⦁ Each person is fully God when spoken about distinctively.​

7). Inseparable in both ontological and economical.

​

⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from the nature.​

⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from each other.​

8). Equal in nature (ontological).

​

⦁ Consubstantial or of the same nature.​

⦁ Co-equal and co-eternal​

Whatever the Father is, the Son is.​

Whatever the Father and the Son is, the Holy Spirit is.​

9). Subordinate in functional role (economical).

​

⦁ Equal to the Father ontologically and subordinate to the Father economically.​

The Father sends the Son and also with the Son.​

Both the Father and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.​

⦁ The Son is equal to the Father according to the Divine Nature and subordinate to the Father according to the human nature.​

⦁ Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to the Son. The Holy Spirit will take whatever belong to the Son and will reveal it to us. The Holy Spirit also comes in the Son's name.​

10). Our worship

​

⦁ To worship and glorify the Father is to worship and glorify the Son and Holy Spirit.​

⦁ To worship and glorify the Son is to worship and glorify the Father and Holy Spirit.​

⦁ To worship and glorify the Holy Spirit is to worship and glorify the Father and Son.​

God is supernatural without nature.(beginning nor end )

The Roman Catholics as a law of the fathers oral traditons of dying mankind needed to give God a nature in order to make thier trinity doctrines work .

They must call there there highest authroity .The Holy Father, Holy See, Holiness, Prince of the apostles "Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church" with the Son and queen mother named after or sister in the lord Mary .

We do not worship the Son, our brother in the lord Jesus .Together as one new family creation we worship the Father the one with power to raise the dead.

Our Holy Father, Christ the husband lovingly commands us to call no man on earth Holy Father, His Holiness, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff ETC.....

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father by which he empowers his sons of God .Jesus the first born of many sons of God . he is not ashamed to call us his brothers and sisters

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my (Jesus) Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Binyawmene]

God is supernatural without nature.(beginning nor end )

Your god is without a nature?

 

[Fred]

We do not worship the Son

That is what is taking place in Revelation 5:13.

 

[Carbon]

Another attempt to maneuver the simple word with so many words.

Huh? You unitarians are such unhappy people.

 

[Carbon]

Is it so important for you to justify triune god?

It is a personal question for you.

God is Triune.

 

[Carbon]

Well, good luck with going against Jesus' word.

You need to learn what Jesus teaches instead of your church. in your case, Calvin's teachings.

that's the first step you need to take.

You need to consider the gospel. Repent and believe in Jesus.

 

[Mr GLee]

You know what He teaches but you don't respect them.

that's now so good, sweetie.

Does not respect the living words? Why not?

 

[CrowCross]

You need to consider the gospel. Repent and believe in Jesus.

Yes, I would say you must believe in the real Jesus..the God man...rather than expecting some finite mere man to be able to pay the eternal price.

 

[Keiw1]

There is nothing disrespectful to Jesus in the gospel as preached by trinitarians. Their doctrine disagrees with yours, no one knows what you consider the gospel as you do not say, and you do not address truth but merely make accusations against others because they do not agree with you. That is disrespectful to people who belong to Christ.

Why do you invoke Paul when you think he is a heretic and do not even believe Jesus when He says He appoints Paul as an apostle to the Gentiles? Why do you invoke Paul in relation to the gospel when you think the gospel he preached, and that Trinitarians agree with, was a different gospel?

You are not qualified to stand as a judge over anyone, only God is, and you are not judging, your are being judgemental, which is both self righteousness and legalism.

Gods word has already judged.
Jesus teaches-The Father is greater than i= Why?
The bible teaches--Only the Father knows the day and hour( of his day of anger) Why? If they are one?