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Who do you think they are talking about?the scripture you show never mentions Jesus is God.
Lie after lie, friend.
Who do you think they are talking about?the scripture you show never mentions Jesus is God.
Lie after lie, friend.
I am not interested in continuing with your insane talk.Who do you think they are talking about?
If I was to compare the tone of one against the tone of the other, I'd have to conclude that if there was any desperation —any insanity— it would be yours.I am not interested in continuing with your insane talk.
You are in a desperate mood.
The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).the scripture you show never mentions Jesus is God.
The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).
The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.
Nicodemus knew that Jesus isn't God, but rather a man God was with.
John 3
2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
I trust the NT text which shows that the Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).The religious establish in Jesus day apparently had idea what he was talking about. They were almost evenly unable to understand any of it except for at least two examples; Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus.
Nicodemus knew that Jesus isn't God, but rather a man God was with.
John 3
2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs You are doing if God were not with him.”
Acts 10
38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with Him.
The Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).
Did you keep reading? Contrary to those accusations, Jesus refuted them or denied them. God will say He’s God, but not Jesus. Jesus is a man whom God was with. It’s a genuine marvel to me how and why so many people who say they are Christian simply deny this. Follow Jesus’ words, not the words of those who were seeking to kill him.I trust the NT text which shows that the Jews, who there there, knew exactly what Jesus was saying and sought many times to stone him for blasphemy because "he claimed to be God" (Mk 2:3-7, Jn 6:41-42, 10:30-33, 5:18, 8:58-59, 19:7/Lev 24:16).
One thing that to me affirms at least the possibility of God being three persons is found in the extremeness of God, so unlike us. We like to identify ourselves as being self-aware —how much more is HE then, self-aware, sentient !!! He, the source of very existence, is more than qualified to refer to his different persons accurately, and we (mostly) agree that he does so in the Bible.The Trinity teaches that God is, was, and always will be one. There is no ontological identical and opposites of himself or some other gods. No equals. No comparisons. No instructors. The God of the Bible is alone and only. He is in a category of himself. There is no other of his kind and class. God is one. He cannot have any known or unknown ontological directional opposites and absences of himself. And there is no others before and after, above and below, backwards and forward, beside and in-between, etc.
To answer your question, I think it's more of a terminology problem and language barrier. The Trinity doctrine makes distinction between "person" and "being." And with its own different definitions. There are three persons in one Being (threeness in oneness). Most anti-trins don't make that distinction and see person/being as interchangeably the same definition. Or the titles "God" and "Father" is used interchangeably. See God, think Father, type of concept. So, basically they are superimposing their definitions into the Trinity doctrine and arriving at a strawman of three gods. You will often hear arguments like, "Which person is speaking?" If the Scriptures doesn't say who, then it's referring to the one Being ("I," "Me," "Myself" etc.)
The thing is, Trinitarians don't isolate the Father as the only sole person of God. When we speak about the persons alone distinctively, that doesn't mean the persons are separated or divided into another god. There is only one undivided and indivisible Divine Nature. Each person of the Trinity is completely and fully God indivisibly. And each person has the whole fullness of God's being in himself when spoken about distinctively. In reference to the Son who is wholly and fully God indivisibly and the Son possesses the whole being of God in himself when spoken about distinctively. So, when we speak about the three persons distinctively, specifically the Son alone, then he is all of God's being.
One thing that to me affirms at least the possibility of God being three persons is found in the extremeness of God, so unlike us. We like to identify ourselves as being self-aware —how much more is HE then, self-aware, sentient !!! He, the source of very existence, is more than qualified to refer to his different persons accurately, and we (mostly) agree that he does so in the Bible.
And the Trinity we find in the Bible does not contradict the law of non-contradiction, because "person" and "being" are two different things. If God says both that he is one, and that the Holy Spirit is God, and that the Son of God is God, then it is true, whether it makes sense to us or not.
God is a mystery after all. It's like you know it, but you just can't seem to express it and articulate it into words.
Logically the Trinity doctrine makes sense to me.
If you understand these 10 outlines, I've typed out for you, then you know the basics of the Trinity doctrine.
1). God is one nature and that nature is triune.
⦁ God is not a conceptualize concept of a triangular.⦁ A triangular is triune in nature.⦁ One triangular and not two or three triangulars.⦁ The triune nature is not divided and separated into parts.
2). The three persons is what we called the Trinity.
⦁ Three personsThe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.⦁ SubsistenceThree persons in God.God in three persons.⦁ RelationsThe Father is not begotten or proceeding.The Son is begotten.The Holy Spirit is proceeding.
3). The persons are not separate unitary gods.
⦁ The persons don't have separate and private unitary natures.⦁ Three persons and not one person.Not Modalism (one person in different roles, modes, manifestations, etc.)No confronting the three persons or infused (mixture)⦁ Union of the three persons.The Father is in the Son and in the Holy Spirit.The Son is in the Father and in the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit is in the Father and in the Son.
4). The "is" (identity).
⦁ The Father is God.God is the Father.⦁ The Son is God.God is the Son.⦁ The Holy Spirit is God.God is the Holy Spirit.⦁ Not three gods, but one God.
5). The "is" (predication).
⦁ The attributes/properties belong to the nature and not of the persons.⦁ For example, of God's omni's is predicated to the persons.Not three omnisciences but one omniscience.Not three omnipotences but one omnipotence.Not three omnipresences but one omnipresence.The persons don't have their separate and private attributes.⦁ For example, of God's will and consciousness is predicated to the persons.Not three wills but one will.Not three consciousness but one consciousness.The persons don't have their separate and private will and self-center of consciousness.⦁ If the attributes/properties belong to the persons and not to the nature.Polytheism.Tritheism.
6). The "is not" (distinction)
⦁ The Father is not the Son.The Son is the Father.⦁ The Father is not the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit is not the Father.⦁ The Son is not the Holy Spirit.The Holy Spirit is not the Son.
7). Each persons is wholly and fully God.
⦁ Each person is fully God according to the nature.⦁ Each person is fully God when spoken about distinctively.
7). Inseparable in both ontological and economical.
⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from the nature.⦁ Three persons are not separated and isolated from each other.
8). Equal in nature (ontological).
⦁ Consubstantial or of the same nature.⦁ Co-equal and co-eternalWhatever the Father is, the Son is.Whatever the Father and the Son is, the Holy Spirit is.
9). Subordinate in functional role (economical).
⦁ Equal to the Father ontologically and subordinate to the Father economically.The Father sends the Son and also with the Son.Both the Father and the Son sends the Holy Spirit.⦁ The Son is equal to the Father according to the Divine Nature and subordinate to the Father according to the human nature.⦁ Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to the Son. The Holy Spirit will take whatever belong to the Son and will reveal it to us. The Holy Spirit also comes in the Son's name.
10). Our worship
⦁ To worship and glorify the Father is to worship and glorify the Son and Holy Spirit.⦁ To worship and glorify the Son is to worship and glorify the Father and Holy Spirit.⦁ To worship and glorify the Holy Spirit is to worship and glorify the Father and Son.
God is supernatural without nature.(beginning nor end )
We do not worship the Son
Huh? You unitarians are such unhappy people.Another attempt to maneuver the simple word with so many words.
God is Triune.Is it so important for you to justify triune god?
It is a personal question for you.
You need to consider the gospel. Repent and believe in Jesus.Well, good luck with going against Jesus' word.
You need to learn what Jesus teaches instead of your church. in your case, Calvin's teachings.
that's the first step you need to take.
Does not respect the living words? Why not?You know what He teaches but you don't respect them.
that's now so good, sweetie.
Yes, I would say you must believe in the real Jesus..the God man...rather than expecting some finite mere man to be able to pay the eternal price.You need to consider the gospel. Repent and believe in Jesus.
Gods word has already judged.There is nothing disrespectful to Jesus in the gospel as preached by trinitarians. Their doctrine disagrees with yours, no one knows what you consider the gospel as you do not say, and you do not address truth but merely make accusations against others because they do not agree with you. That is disrespectful to people who belong to Christ.
Why do you invoke Paul when you think he is a heretic and do not even believe Jesus when He says He appoints Paul as an apostle to the Gentiles? Why do you invoke Paul in relation to the gospel when you think the gospel he preached, and that Trinitarians agree with, was a different gospel?
You are not qualified to stand as a judge over anyone, only God is, and you are not judging, your are being judgemental, which is both self righteousness and legalism.