Pastor Steven Anderson is a hypocrite ...

[STAND]

I thought the situation could have been handled better. Pastor was not acting like a man of God. Name calling during a service...really? The Pastor could've gently told him he would be glad to answer any question he has after service. Why do we need to act like this? That's just my take on it. This Pastor lacks leadership and patience. How will anyone want to approach him with any questions or concerns after that. It made the whole situation worse in my opinion.​

One of the ex-members of his church has stated online that Pastor Andersen has lost many members because of this ongoing issue. I'm amazed anybody would stay after seeing this. That guy did nothing to need to be physically handled at all, and at least one of the guys escorting him out got violently physical with him.

Completely unnecessary. The guy spoke softly and didn't make a single aggressive gesture or take any aggressive action whatsoever. It was 100% about ...

"Do exactly as I say or I'll FORCE you physically to do what I say!"

That is not Jesus, that is not Christianity and that is not a qualified pastor - especially with someone who conducted themselves as this man did. A church is not a bar/club that has to regularly deal with intoxicated unruly people.

In all the millions of videos online of countless crazy incidents all over the world, there is not one that I can find of a remotely similar incident in a church - especially for simply asking about, or even arguing for, a doctrine the pastor doesn't agree with.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes he's teaching a false gospel then.

Soooooooooooo...the Word who was God and became flesh didn't die on a cross? Then what did Jesus die on? Did they use a rope and noose?

 

[STAND]

This guy does a great job of showcasing the peculiar about-face of Pastor Anderson from passionately believing and teaching Oneness to his very militant position on the heretical doctrine of the trinity.

This was apparently a very dramatic change for Anderson and it is amazing that it is all recorded on Youtube, from his time teaching Oneness to his current schizophrenic position on the unbiblical trinity doctrine that so many members of his congregation are now leaving his church for.

Ironically, many trinity proponents actually teach that those who try to understand the doctrine are driven to madness. Could this be a very public episode of just that outcome?

It's a shame that this has happened to him. He seems to have started off on the correct path and was pulled away by doctrines of demons to preach heresy and hysteria from the pulpit. His idolatry has transformed him into a tyrant of sorts for all the world to see.

 

[Mr GLee]

Remind me how this is relevant to the thread again.

Since it isn't addressed to anyone in particular, it seems a bit out of place here.

I was responding to the idea how can a mere man pay the eternal ransom for mankind.

My response no man can pay the eternal debt to include the Son of man Jesus its never about the dying flesh of mankind

 

[STAND]

I was responding to the idea how can a mere man pay the eternal ransom for mankind.

My response no man can pay the eternal debt to include the Son of man Jesus its never about the dying flesh of mankind

Right. Which proves Jesus must be God.

And ..... how is that relevant?

 

[STAND]

Pastor Anderson has a pattern of teaching very unbiblical concepts.

His trinity-mania is a manifestation of his psychosis.

 

[Runningman]

Soooooooooooo...the Word who was God and became flesh didn't die on a cross? Then what did Jesus die on? Did they use a rope and noose?

That isn't what the Bible says so, yes, what you're providing an example of is a false gospel.

do you know what Jesus and the apostles went around preaching to people? None of them said "the Word who was God and became flesh died on a cross." I think you're probably the first person I've ever seen say that.

Read Acts. The examples of salvation that came to so many people.... there is no mention of what you're saying.

 

[Ladodgers6]

One of the ex-members of his church has stated online that Pastor Andersen has lost many members because of this ongoing issue. I'm amazed anybody would stay after seeing this. That guy did nothing to need to be physically handled at all, and at least one of the guys escorting him out got violently physical with him.

Completely unnecessary. The guy spoke softly and didn't make a single aggressive gesture or take any aggressive action whatsoever. It was 100% about ...

"Do exactly as I say or I'll FORCE you physically to do what I say!"

That is not Jesus, that is not Christianity and that is not a qualified pastor - especially with someone who conducted themselves as this man did. A church is not a bar/club that has to regularly deal with intoxicated unruly people.

In all the millions of videos online of countless crazy incidents all over the world, there is not one that I can find of a remotely similar incident in a church - especially for simply asking about, or even arguing for, a doctrine the pastor doesn't agree with.

Exactly when Jesus was teaching at the synagogue he would answer questions posed to him. The vocation of a Pastor is not for everyone. This is a gift from God; appointed office.

It's sad to see this kinda behavior especially in a church setting for sure.

 

[Ladodgers6]

I pretty much agree. My first reply was....I don't know if I would have acted the way Pastor Anderson handed the situation...but I agree with him 100%.

From what I watched it sounds like the preacher has spoken on this topic before....and this may not have been the first time this guy spoke or interrupted.
I would imagine the preacher is very approachable...the question is why didn't the guy wait till the sermon was over?

Maybe, but name calling and physically putting hands on someone for asking questions crosses the line. This guy could press charges if he so chooses. In my opinion the Pastor did not handle the situation peacefully but uses violence instead, not good. This is a bad example of how not to act, especially in front of the congregation.

 

[Mr GLee]

Right. Which proves Jesus must be God.

And ..... how is that relevant?

Yes, Jesus the Christ is eternal God . The unseen one good teaching master as eternal God.

Not Jesus the Son of man dying mankind. He cried out to the teching master" Abba Father not as I will but you the one with power".

One did bow down in worship according to his dying flesh . He did not say well done .

The Son of man Jesus would never stand in the place as the invisible head (Christ). The abomination of desolation

God is not dying mankind.

Mark 10:17-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

How many are good?

 

[grace2]

Right. Which proves Jesus must be God.

And ..... how is that relevant?

do you believe Jesus is the Father since you don't believe in the Trinity?

 

[CrowCross]

That isn't what the Bible says so, yes, what you're providing an example of is a false gospel.

do you know what Jesus and the apostles went around preaching to people? None of them said "the Word who was God and became flesh died on a cross." I think you're probably the first person I've ever seen say that.

Well, too bad for you. I've heard it numerous times.

 

[Ladodgers6]

Yes, Jesus the Christ is eternal God . The unseen one good teaching master as eternal God.

Not Jesus the Son of man dying mankind. He cried out to the teching master" Abba Father not as I will but you the one with power".

One did bow down in worship according to his dying flesh . He did not say well done .

The Son of man Jesus would never stand in the place as the invisible head (Christ). The abomination of desolation

God is not dying mankind.

Mark 10:17-18King James Version And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

How many are good?

God was in Christ, right?

 

[Mr GLee]

God was in Christ, right?

God is Christ. He is not the Son of man dying mankind .

 

[Ladodgers6]

God is Christ. He is not the Son of man dying mankind .

He is the God-Man; both fully Man and God. This is called the Hypostatic Union of Christ.

 

[STAND]

How many are good?

Just one.

Jesus.

Just as He says:

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."
Jn. 10:11

And who is the Shepherd?

The Father:
Psalm 23
Isaiah 40:10-11
Psalm 100

 

[grace2]

Just one.

Jesus.

Just as He says:

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."
Jn. 10:11

And who is the Shepherd?

The Father:
Psalm 23
Isaiah 40:10-11
Psalm 100

What's your point?

Are you saying Jesus is the Father?

can you answer this question?

You started to skip answering the questions I asked of you.

why is that?

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus.

Just as He says:

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep."
Jn. 10:11

Just as Jesus the prophet was inspired by the father and sent as a apostle with the gospel, Declaring words from the Fathers mouth. The same aplies to that verse above. The Shepard that owns the sheep is not the Son of man more than that of a hiring. The father own all he sheep .living words of the father not words of Jesus making him .false apostles. Apostle messengers not the author of the message (gospel )

The Son of man revealed the power of the father, He as dying mankind had no power of his own

Remember as a parable like the good Shepard ,we must comparing the temporal seen to the unseen eternal things of faith ) .Prophets as messenger declare the will of our invisible head Not of thier own thoughts or ways

The literal seen and spiritual unseen must be mixed . the historical with the eternal spiritual A valuable prescription below needed to rightly divide the parables as mysteries of faith the gospel

2 Corihtinans 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


John 10:I5 know them in the same way that my Father knows me. And they know me in the same way that I know the Father. I will die so that I can save my sheep.

In the same way the mutual way Christ

2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

The Power of faith Christ's labor of love.

 

[Runningman]

Well, too bad for you. I've heard it numerous times.

The salvation formula never involved an example of the trinitarian formula in the Bible. Never happened. Was no one in the Bible saved for not following Steven Anderson said to believ?

 

[CrowCross]

The salvation formula never involved an example of the trinitarian formula in the Bible. Never happened. Was no one in the Bible saved for not following Steven Anderson said to believ?

Your Jesus wasn't God. Your Jesus wasn't the creator. Your Jesus didn't come down for heaven....your Jesus isn't real.