Pastor Steven Anderson is a hypocrite ...

[Runningman]

exactly!

Isn't that true though? In Trinitarianism, Jesus is God and Man, yet their version of Jesus died for their sins. Oops, God is immortal. The hypostatic union doctrine isn't sufficient to save them from this serious doctrinal error. As a result, they have no sacrifice for their sins according to their theology.

 

[grace2]

Isn't that true though? In Trinitarianism, Jesus is God and Man, yet their version of Jesus died for their sins. Oops, God is immortal. The hypostatic union doctrine isn't sufficient to save them from this serious doctrinal error. As a result, they have no sacrifice for their sins according to their theology.

They don't know how their doctrines are so illogical and inconsistent with the Bible.

they can get away with it because their followers are so ignorant of the Bible.

And most of them don't care about the Truth.

But His true followers need to spread the Truth to the world.

Thats their responsibility.

 

[Runningman]

They don't know how their doctrines are so illogical and inconsistent with the Bible.

they can get away with it because their followers are so ignorant of the Bible.

And most of them don't care about the Truth.

But His true followers need to spread the Truth to the world.

Thats their responsibility.

Yes. Long discussions and debates occurred before some of these finer points were produced. Skip the hours of the back and forth and just go straight to the conclusion. If Jesus is God then he didn't actually die and there is no sacrifice.

Remember that when they mention the hypostatic union or say Jesus is God. This point will be something they can't workaround because Trinitarian theology hasn't accounted for it.

Perhaps in doing so someone will finally see that what we have been saying all along is the truth.

 

[grace2]

Yes. Long discussions and debates occurred before some of these finer points were produced. Skip the hours of the back and forth and just go straight to the conclusion. If Jesus is God then he didn't actually die and there is no sacrifice.

Remember that when they mention the hypostatic union or say Jesus is God. This point will be something they can't workaround because Trinitarian theology hasn't accounted for it.

Perhaps in doing so someone will finally see that what we have been saying all along is the truth.

amen, brother.

 

[Ladodgers6]

I am referring to Biblical examples. None of them have anything to do with the Trinity. Can you name one?

Covenant of Redemption is Biblical teaching. All 3 members of the God-Head work in unison to fulfill God word, his oath, his Covenant he made with Adam, Eve and Abraham.

 

[CrowCross]

Your Jesus didn't die for your sins because God is immortal. Check mate.

Your Jesus didn't die for your sins because a mere man couldn't have paid the price...only God could pay that price.

In fact your Jesus never existed. Just as the mormon or JW Jesus never existed.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes. Long discussions and debates occurred before some of these finer points were produced. Skip the hours of the back and forth and just go straight to the conclusion. If Jesus is God then he didn't actually die and there is no sacrifice.

Remember that when they mention the hypostatic union or say Jesus is God. This point will be something they can't workaround because Trinitarian theology hasn't accounted for it.

Perhaps in doing so someone will finally see that what we have been saying all along is the truth.

I would offer looking at faith the mystery word as it seems causing great division

God cannot die. Christ pouring out His Spirit in jeapordy of his own Holy Spirit on dying flesh. ( Jesus the Son of man ) He demonstrated the unseen power of our invisible head Abba our eternal Father, He gives us adopted into his family of faith we are a little of that faith or labor of His love calling us "you of little faith" , Just enough to please Him a called the golden measure . The Apostles said increase it then they could complete the task. . recognizing where the faithful power came from not dying mankind .

Luke 17:5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.

Paraphrased . Lord, Increase our new born again faith. the power of Christ labor of love.

Yoked with him our burdens can be lighter .

The spiritless lifeless blood must be poured out at he base of the alar or cross so it can return to the dust. It shows unseen spirit life was freely given.

The life the flesh is in the blood but that life is spiritual unseen .

Christ, the good teaching master working in us that were really dead in our trespasses and sin Not the teaching of dying powerless mankind oral traditons .I heard it through the legion of fathers grape vine

A living life giving sacrifice. God does not accept dead sacrifices Eternal Spirit cannot die .

It would seem the god of this world looks to the dead for those living. Seeking the dead like what some call patron saints. Laws as commandment of dying mankind .It resisted sola scriptura all things written in the law and the prophets the living word the light of the gospel

Isiah 8;19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: (sola scriptura) if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[Runningman]

Your Jesus didn't die for your sins because a mere man couldn't have paid the price...only God could pay that price.

In fact your Jesus never existed. Just as the mormon or JW Jesus never existed.

This is what we Christians believe. He was a man who was put to death for our sins.

Acts 2​

22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. 23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.​

An immortal God can't be sacrificed. You have no sacrifice for sins in your theology. If you have the Scripture saying otherwise, we would all love to see it. Apparently no one has found it yet, but you seem to be saying otherwise.

 

[Runningman]

Covenant of Redemption is Biblical teaching. All 3 members of the God-Head work in unison to fulfill God word, his oath, his Covenant he made with Adam, Eve and Abraham.

There aren't three members of the God-Head in the Bible. So it isn't a Biblical teaching. I may still check it out later just because I am curious what you people are reading.

In the Bible there is only one true God, the Father, who is over all. He is the Lord of heaven and earth and Creator of all things.

 

[CrowCross]

This is what we Christians believe. He was a man who was put to death for our sins.

Yes He was. I have no problem with that as the Word who was God became flesh.

Acts 2​

22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know. 23He was delivered up by God’s set plan and foreknowledge, and you, by the hands of the lawless, put Him to death by nailing Him to the cross.​

An immortal God can't be sacrificed. You have no sacrifice for sins in your theology. If you have the Scripture saying otherwise, we would all love to see it. Apparently no one has found it yet, but you seem to be saying otherwise.

The Word who was God didn't become flesh and die on a cross?

 

[Mr GLee]

Your Jesus didn't die for your sins because a mere man couldn't have paid the price...only God could pay that price.

In fact your Jesus never existed. Just as the mormon or JW Jesus never existed.

Are you supporting the idea that a mere man couldn't have paid the price as some way that the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord is any different than his brothers and sisters.as if he was more a mere than our incomparable God created man jesu I would think would never glory as false pride dying flesh .

We are call no man on earth Holy Father. Jesus was born in a body of dying flesh of woman just like any beginning with Eve.

I would offer two witnesses Two throughout the bible represents one God has spoken

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

The Son of man Jesus our big brother, the first born of sons of God believers is not ashamed to be called our big brother. He was used to show the power the Father works in dying mankind as a sign to the whole unbelieving world using that three days and nights prophesied from Genesis and Isaiah

Hebrew 2 :11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

 

[Ladodgers6]

There aren't three members of the God-Head in the Bible. So it isn't a Biblical teaching. I may still check it out later just because I am curious what you people are reading.

I beg to differ. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, I'll give you that. But the teaching of the Trinity is taught in Scripture. My advice for you is don't trust what anyone says, do your own homework and research it for yourself; be a Berean who went back to the word of God to see what being preached to them was true. They did this to the Apostle Paul.​

In the Bible there is only one true God, the Father, who is over all. He is the Lord of heaven and earth and Creator of all things.

Yes, there is One true God, I agree with you on this point. But God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself. I am curious to know from you. Does a person need to be born again to be saved?

 

[Runningman]

Yes He was. I have no problem with that as the Word who was God became flesh.

The Word who was God didn't become flesh and die on a cross?

Jesus isn't a pre-existent being known as the "Word who is God." Even if he was, how do you deal with the issue of an immortal God who cannot die said to have died and been sacrificed?

If you say God was sacrificed then God isn't immortal after all. If you say Jesus' body was sacrificed then God wasn't sacrificed. According to you, the body of a man can't atone for sins. In your theology there isn't a clear path toward salvation or a sacrifice for sins.

Will you please explain what you believe exactly.

 

[Runningman]

I beg to differ. The word Trinity is not found in the Bible, I'll give you that. But the teaching of the Trinity is taught in Scripture. My advice for you is don't trust what anyone says, do your own homework and research it for yourself; be a Berean who went back to the word of God to see what being preached to them was true. They did this to the Apostle Paul.​

Doing what you're advising me to do is how I became a non-Trinitarian. Do you have a link to a good read on the Covenant of Redemption?

Yes, there is One true God, I agree with you on this point. But God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself.

Amen.

I am curious to know from you. Does a person need to be born again to be saved?

I believe the terms born again and saved are interchangeable. They both mean the same things.

1 Peter 1
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
23For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

 

[grace2]

There aren't three members of the God-Head in the Bible. So it isn't a Biblical teaching. I may still check it out later just because I am curious what you people are reading.

In the Bible there is only one true God, the Father, who is over all. He is the Lord of heaven and earth and Creator of all things.

They are just parroting their church formulas. they don't read the Bible themselves.

they all say they do but their doctrines prove otherwise.

 

[Arial]

They are just parroting their church formulas. they don't read the Bible themselves.

they all say they do but their doctrines prove otherwise.

How do you know what we do?

 

[grace2]

How do you know what we do?

It shows clearly in your claims.

That is your fruit.

 

[CrowCross]

Are you supporting the idea that a mere man couldn't have paid the price as some way that the Son of man Jesus our brother in the lord is any different than his brothers and sisters.as if he was more a mere than our incomparable God created man jesu I would think would never glory as false pride dying flesh .

A mere man couldn't have paid the price.

Where does the bible state a mere man, non-eternal man can pay the eternal price and redeem mankind?
If Jesus were simply a mere man then His death couldn't have even began to atone for his own sins let alone mine or the sins of the world.

So, how did a mere man withstand the infinite wrath of God? The answer is a mere man couldn't...only the God-man could. The Word who was God became flesh is the only option to pay the price.

Why? What is the worth of a mere man compared to the God-man? Jesus let go of His equality with God!!! (Eph 2:6) and suffered the death on the cross..suffered total forsakenness. Which is far, far greater than the suffering of any created human being in hell. Only God could pay that eternal, infinite price for all of mankind. A mere man has no eternal worth and is bankrupt when it comes to paying the wages of their sin.

God was given a body for that purpose...so Jesus could step out of heaven and come and be THE sin offering. As we know it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins...even an angel couldn't take away sin nor could a mere man. The ONLY one with eternal worth is Christ Jesus!!!

So, how can a mere man pay the eternal ransom for mankinds sin when his account is empty and never contained any eternal worth?

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus isn't a pre-existent being known as the "Word who is God."

Really? Read John 1.

 

[Arial]

It shows clearly in your claims.

That is your fruit.

No it doesn't and how would you know? You never address the claims or the scriptures that we use to verify want we claim. YOu call us insane for giving them, say you are done talking with our insanity, and then continue with the slander and bearing false witness. In direct opposition of to Jesus who you claim to follow and believe. That is your fruit. ANd we have given you leeway long enough. It is time to stop and to stop hiding behind a so called language barrier.