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Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

Is human Jesus also the divine Jesus?
What does the apostle John say?

"The word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (Jn 1:1, 14).

As man inherits human nature from his human parents, so Jesus inherited a divine nature from his Father (Lk 1:35, Jn 1:1, 14) and a human nature from his mother (Lk 1:26-37).

Jesus has two natures (divine and human) in one person.
Jesus is both God and man, both the Son of God (Lk 1:35) and the Son of Man (Lk 9:58).

God is three persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in one God.
The second person, God the Son, became man to reveal God to us.
 
What does the apostle John say?

"The word was God. . .the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (Jn 1:1, 14).

As man inherits human nature from his human parents, so Jesus inherited a divine nature from his Father (Lk 1:35, Jn 1:1, 14) and a human nature from his mother (Lk 1:26-37).

Jesus has two natures (divine and human) in one person.
Jesus is both God and man, both the Son of God (Lk 1:35) and the Son of Man (Lk 9:58).

God is three persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) in one God.
The second person, God the Son, became man to reveal God to us.
Sister, Jesus is not the second person of the Godhead, he is God in his deity without qualifications. I agree with all you said until you said Jesus was the second person. Give this some thought before posting back, but I would love to discuss this more if you and others would like to do so. There was no God the Son until Jesus was conceived and born nine months later around two thousand years ago. We have the record of this recorded for us in Luke 1.

In the meantime, I want to go and read all that has been posted up until now, before I post again.
 
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Sister, Jesus is not the second person of the Godhead, he is God in his deity without qualifications. I agree with all you said until you said Jesus was the second person. Give this some thought before posting back, but I would love to discuss this more if you and others would like to do so. There was no God the Son until Jesus was conceived and born nine months later around two thousand years ago. We have the record of this recorded for us in Luke 1.

In the meantime, I want to go and read all that has been posted up until now, before I post again.
It is the eternal God the Son (the Word, Jn 1:1) who is the "second" of the three distinct persons of the Trinity revealed in the NT (Mt 28:19),
who became man (Jn 1:1, 14) to reveal God to us,
the "first" person being God the Father, from within whom the Son proceeds (Jn 8:42, 1627, 28, 17:8),
and the "third" person being God the Holy Spirit who likewise proceeds from within both God the Father (Jn 15:26) and God the Son (Rev 22:1), which eternal generation is without beginning and without end.
The term "Son of God" should not be confused with the term "God the Son" (Greek: Θεός ὁ υἱός), the second person of the Trinity in Christian theology. The doctrine of the Trinity identifies Jesus as God the Son, identical in essence but distinct in person with regard to God the Father and God the Holy Spirit (the First and Third Persons of the Trinity). Nontrinitarian Christians accept the application to Jesus of the term "Son of God", which is found in the New Testament.
 
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It is the eternal God the Son (the Word, Jn 1:1) who is the "second" of the three distinct persons of the Trinity revealed in the NT (Mt 28:19),
who became man (Jn 1:1, 14) to reveal God to us,
the "first" person being God the Father, from within whom the Son proceeds (Jn 8:42, 1627, 28, 17:8),
and the "third" person being God the Holy Spirit who likewise proceeds from within both God the Father (Jn 15:26) and God the Son (Rev 22:1), which eternal generation is without beginning and without end.
I'll address this later~Jesus is not the eternal Son of God, impossible! Even though godly saints have been taught this, and be sure of this~ this is a heresy promoted by the Nicene Creed of Catholicism~which they pronounced a Anathema Maranatha upon all who disagreed with their teachings.

So later....

I read yesterday on this forum, and I beleive it was you, but you can correct me if I'm wrong, who said that Jesus was created~he was not created but begotten, and that in time, not from eternity, again, impossible.

Maybe some questions for your consideration for now:

Question #1~ Can true Divinity be deprived or propagated? The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy against the God of the holy scriptures. What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.

Reason #2~If Jesus Christ be the eternal Son of God, or if he was eternally begotten/generated, according to his Divine nature, then he CAN NOT be the Eternal God that inhabiteth eternity.

The reason why is this: "son" implies a father; and father in reference to a son, precedency in time, if not in nature as well. Father and son imply the ideal of generation~generation implies a time, in which it was effected, and time is also antecedent to such generation.

We know that Jesus Christ was both God that inhabiteth eternity and the Son of God that had a beginning when he was conceived by the Holy Ghost!

The eternal Sonship position is against the witness of God himself concerning his Son.

The incarnate Sonship protects the Deity of the Son of God, and confesses that he is both the I am that I am, and the Son of God and the Son of man.

I have more to come to prove that Jesus was not a Son before Genesis 1:1. Why I am preparing more reasons, one quick question for you:: "Who was Jesus' eternal mother?" I have heard many discombobulated expressions trying to prove the eternal Sonship doctrine, by men whom I have respect toward, that one wonders~ "why Sir, do you not just stay with the scriptures and save yourself the shame of showing your ignorance of spiritual things".

Jesus became the Son of God at the same time he became the Son of man. We have the word of God to support that witness that we just gave. Yet, man's witness goes against God's testimony concerning his Son. As for me and my house, we will believe God's own testimony over man's.

Question #3~ "What part of Jesus Christ was derived from God?"

Surely not his Divine Nature! if One God can be derived, why not many? Many Mighty Gods and Everlasting Fathers, (there's not many, but ONE, revealed to us as three, according to their work in the affairs of creation, and the salvation of the elect seed of Jesus Christ) many first Causes, and last End of all things! The Eternal Spirit of God is not capable of diminution or divisibility, that is an impossibility. This would be going against what his word teaches us, that we should have no other gods before Him.

Pagans believed in the power of propagation of their gods, we as Bible Christians do not. The Bible demands belief in nothing of this kind, relative to our heavenly Father.

I have a few more...but later...RB
 
My answer is the person of the Son. I could be wrong about this and the reason why I'm asking the question. Looking for an honest and sincere answer. If someone has the kindness to give one. This is how I've drawn my conclusion. First, the Father is a covenant title of God (1 Peter 1:17). And that "God is a righteous judge" (Psalm 7:11) and "the Lord, the righteous Judge" (2 Timothy 4:8), but yet "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge" (James 4:12). I also read in the Bible that "It is God who judges" (Psalm 75:7) and that "the Father judges no one" (John 5:22), but yet, "God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ" (Romans 2:16, Revelation 2:23). After all, the Son is omniscient and knows all people (Jeremiah 17:10, John 2:24-25, Matthew 9:4, Mark 2:8, Luke 5:22, John 6:64, Revelation 2:23). I would assume that every time I read about, God or Lord being the judge, then it's not in reference to the person of the Father in the Trinity.

- The Son is the Judge
1. Abraham pleads to the LORD for Sodom (John 8:58, Genesis 18:16-33, vs. 25).​
2. The Father is not the judge (John 5:22, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31).​
3. The Son is the universal judge (Revelation 20:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46).​
4. Judge of the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1, Acts 10:42).​
5. The Son is God and God's judgment (Romans 2:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:5).​
6. Judgement seat is interlinked with "Christ" and "God" (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10).​
All three members of the Trinity are judge.

The Father judges.
The Son judges.
the Holy Spirit judges.
 

Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?​

The only God that any man or angels will ever see is Jesus Christ; so, he will be the Judge of the quick and dead at his appearing.

2 Timothy 4:1​


“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;”

God is a Spirit, and that will never change, He inhabits eternity, always has, always will! No man will ever see with his eyes this Glorious Spirit, and will never be able to approach unto him, never!

The only way any man (and angels as far as that goes) shall see God who is a Spirit, is in His Son, whom he hath begotten around two thousand years ago. We shall see Jesus, who is the Great God and our Saviour, when he comes the second time.

Titus 2:13​


“Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;”


Jesus Christ will be the Judge in that day, since in him dwells all of the fullness of the Godhead power.

Colossians 2:9​


“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”

I could keep going, but the my point has been made. Yes, we shall judge with him, but he will declare the final judgment upon all~when he said to many in that day~depart from me ye that worketh iniquity.

All who deny Jesus' deity are liars and false prophets, and one day they shall see for themselves that is was so.
 
Sister, Jesus is not the second person of the Godhead, he is God in his deity without qualifications. I agree with all you said until you said Jesus was the second person. Give this some thought before posting back, but I would love to discuss this more if you and others would like to do so. There was no God the Son until Jesus was conceived and born nine months later around two thousand years ago. We have the record of this recorded for us in Luke 1.

In the meantime, I want to go and read all that has been posted up until now, before I post again.
Thank you Red,

I have been saying this until I am blue in the face " There was no God the Son until Jesus was conceived and born nine months later around two thousand years ago. "

A statement of truth, truly stated.

Now, just my 2 cents worth is I think the majority do such because Jesus told them to Go and baptize in the name of the Father, ang of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Seemingly placing Himself in spot 2.
 
I'll address this later~Jesus is not the eternal Son of God,
Jesus is the eternal God the Son in human flesh (Jn 1:1, 14) who reveals God to us,
thereby making Jesus the Son of God (Lk 1:32).
impossible! Even though godly saints have been taught this, and be sure of this~ this is a heresy promoted by the Nicene Creed of Catholicism~which they pronounced a Anathema Maranatha upon all who disagreed with their teachings.
So later....
I read yesterday on this forum, and I beleive it was you, but you can correct me if I'm wrong, who said that Jesus was created~he was not created but begotten, and that in time, not from eternity, again, impossible.
All humans are begotten (loosely referred to as "created," i.e., having a beginning, as distinct from eternal), including the man Jesus.
Maybe some questions for your consideration for now:

Question #1~ Can true Divinity be deprived or propagated?
Divinity is only eternally generated (Jn 8:42, 1627, 28, 17:8, 15:26).
The very thought of this in a positive way is blasphemy against the God of the holy scriptures. What is real Divinity of the Most High God? The following attributes have ever been conceived as essential to it: Self-existence, Infinity, Independence, Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Immutability, eternal both ways, and Infinite in every way possible that is imaginable to the human mind.
Reason #2~If Jesus Christ be the eternal Son of God, or if he was eternally begotten/generated, according to his Divine nature, then he CAN NOT be the Eternal God that inhabiteth eternity.
The divine nature of Jesus is the eternal God the Son, the human nature of Jesus is temporal man.
Jesus is the Son of God (Lk 1:32).
The reason why is this: "son" implies a father; and father in reference to a son, precedency in time, if not in nature as well. Father and son imply the ideal of generation~generation implies a time, in which it was effected, and time is also antecedent to such generation.
We know that Jesus Christ was both God that inhabiteth eternity and the Son of God that had a beginning when he was conceived by the Holy Ghost!
The eternal Sonship position is against the witness of God himself concerning his Son.
The incarnate Sonship protects the Deity of the Son of God, and confesses that he is both the I am that I am, and the Son of God and the Son of man.
I have more to come to prove that Jesus was not a Son before Genesis 1:1. Why I am preparing more reasons, one quick question for you::
"Who was Jesus' eternal mother?"
I give up. . .who?
I have heard many discombobulated expressions trying to prove the eternal Sonship doctrine, by men whom I have respect toward, that one wonders~ "why Sir, do you not just stay with the scriptures and save yourself the shame of showing your ignorance of spiritual things".
Jesus became the Son of God at the same time he became the Son of man. We have the word of God to support that witness that we just gave. Yet, man's witness goes against God's testimony concerning his Son. As for me and my house, we will believe God's own testimony over man's.
Question #3~ "What part of Jesus Christ was derived from God?"
I give up. . .what?
Surely not his Divine Nature! if One God can be derived, why not many? Many Mighty Gods and Everlasting Fathers, (there's not many, but ONE, revealed to us as three, according to their work in the affairs of creation, and the salvation of the elect seed of Jesus Christ) many first Causes, and last End of all things! The Eternal Spirit of God is not capable of diminution or divisibility, that is an impossibility. This would be going against what his word teaches us, that we should have no other gods before Him.
Pagans believed in the power of propagation of their gods, we as Bible Christians do not. The Bible demands belief in nothing of this kind, relative to our heavenly Father.
I have a few more...but later...RB
 
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Jesus is the eternal God the Son in human flesh
Jesus was a complex person~He was the eternal God without qualifications, period. But, he also was what Historians record of Michael Servetus' his last words as: "Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have mercy on me." Whatever else he may have believed, we do not know, since all of his works were burned with him!

This is not a manner of semantics, but, holding fast to what the scriptures actually teach, and not what preachers teach from the pulpits and throughout history, regardless of Anathema's pronounced upon them because they refused to bow down to false doctrines.

The eternal Sonship doctrine if followed, and preached, truly will give support to cults like the JW's, making Jesus a begotten god. Divinity cannot be begotten, nor have a beginning! Jesus Christ is eternal, as the eternal God ~ he is eternal with no beginning; as the Son of God, he had a beginning, and that beginning is recorded for us in the word of God. Luke one. It is just that simple, if we speak when the scriptures speak and silent when they do not speak.

(Jn 1:1, 14)
The Word that was in the beginning was God, period~that Word was made flesh, by the conception of Jesus Christ when God joined himself to the tabernacle of his Son whom he had conceived in the womb of a virgin named Mary by his power. Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son, thus Emmanuel was made flesh in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, by God joining Himself to the tabernacle of His Son, who was the express image of God.

Note very carefully that it was the Word, and not the Son, that is named here. The Word and the Son are not the same Being/Person without clarification. The Word became the Son by His incarnation in human flesh through Mary. The Son is dependent on both the Word and His human nature for existence. The Son was not made flesh, because the Son is flesh by His very existence.

Was made flesh.

This is part of the great mystery of godliness – God was manifest in the flesh. The Word of God joining human flesh is not a mystery to us by revelation.

This is an incredible event in all recorded history – Jehovah God became man.

Jesus Christ is also known as Emmanuel – God with us (Is 7:14; Matt 1:23). Jesus had a human body indwelt by the fullness of the Godhead (Col 2:8-9).

God is a spirit. Jesus had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus.

The incarnation of the Word of God with a human body is a precious doctrine. Incarnate. adj. Clothed or invested with flesh; embodied in flesh; in a human bodily form. From the Latin incarnat-us and incarnare.

Theologians use a term hypostatic union to describe our Lord’s two natures. God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24), but a human body was prepared for Him (Heb 10:5). Christ’s deity (Jn 8:58) nor humanity (Heb 4:15) was changed by the union. He is not fully Jesus Christ, Son of God, without His body (Lu 2:12; 24:39).

The Word of God did not have a human body in eternity like some teach.

Before the Word was flesh in Jesus, God did not have a Son but by covenant.

The Son was not made flesh; the Son did not exist until the Word was flesh.

God works by covenant, choosing His elect in Jesus before the world began. 2nd Timothy 1:9

God did not speak to Israel by His Son until Jesus was born (Heb 1:1-2).

The flesh body prepared for Jesus by God was chosen from David’s family tree.

Jesus had to have a literal and real flesh-bone-blood body to die for us sinners.

Jesus Christ’s flesh body descended from the Jewish fathers (Romans 9:5).

He was made of a woman in her womb in order to have His body (Gal 4:4). He took on our nature for the suffering of death in our place (Heb 2:14-18). A body was prepared for Him, and He willingly offered it (Heb 10:5-10,20). His body was formed in the womb of a woman like every other man is formed. Mary conceived and bore a human child like others (Mat 1:18-20; Lu 2:23). Without a mother, God has no Son … for God made Jesus by her (Gal 4:4). This way He was made in the likeness of men after being God (Phil 2:5-11).

Later...I have an appointment.
 
Jesus was a complex person~He was the eternal God without qualifications, period. But, he also was what Historians record of Michael Servetus' his last words as: "Jesus, Son of the Eternal God, have mercy on me." Whatever else he may have believed, we do not know, since all of his works were burned with him!
Jesus was the Son of God (Mt 16:16-17); i.e., God the Son (Mt 28:19) become flesh in Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:14).
This is not a manner of semantics, but, holding fast to what the scriptures actually teach, and not what preachers teach from the pulpits and throughout history, regardless of Anathema's pronounced upon them because they refused to bow down to false doctrines.
The eternal Sonship doctrine if followed, and preached, truly will give support to cults like the JW's, making Jesus a begotten god. Divinity cannot be begotten, nor have a beginning! Jesus Christ is eternal, as the eternal God ~ he is eternal with no beginning; as the Son of God, he had a beginning, and that beginning is recorded for us in the word of God. Luke one. It is just that simple, if we speak when the scriptures speak and silent when they do not speak.
The Word that was in the beginning was God, period~that Word was made flesh, by the conception of Jesus Christ when God joined himself to the tabernacle of his Son whom he had conceived in the womb of a virgin named Mary by his power. Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son, thus Emmanuel was made flesh in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, by God joining Himself to the tabernacle of His Son, who was the express image of God.
Mary gave birth to the Son of God, who is God (Jn 1:1) the Son incarnate (Jn 1:14).
Note very carefully that it was the Word, and not the Son, that is named here. The Word and the Son are not the same Being/Person without clarification.
By the Word (Jn 1:1) is meant God the Son (Col 1:16).
The Word became the Son by His incarnation in human flesh through Mary. The Son is dependent on both the Word and His human nature for existence. The Son was not made flesh, because the Son is flesh by His very existence.
Was made flesh.
This is part of the great mystery of godliness – God was manifest in the flesh. The Word of God joining human flesh is not a mystery to us by revelation.
This is an incredible event in all recorded history – Jehovah God became man.
Jesus Christ is also known as Emmanuel – God with us (Is 7:14; Matt 1:23). Jesus had a human body indwelt by the fullness of the Godhead (Col 2:8-9).
God is a spirit. Jesus had a body. Jesus Christ is God, but God is not Jesus.
The incarnation of the Word of God with a human body is a precious doctrine. Incarnate. adj. Clothed or invested with flesh; embodied in flesh; in a human bodily form. From the Latin incarnat-us and incarnare.
Theologians use a term hypostatic union to describe our Lord’s two natures. God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24), but a human body was prepared for Him (Heb 10:5). Christ’s deity (Jn 8:58) nor humanity (Heb 4:15) was changed by the union. He is not fully Jesus Christ, Son of God, without His body (Lu 2:12; 24:39).
The Word of God did not have a human body in eternity like some teach.
Before the Word was flesh in Jesus, God did not have a Son but by covenant.
God the Son and God the Holy Spirit eternally proceed from God the Father (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8, 15:26).
The Son was not made flesh; the Son did not exist until the Word was flesh.
God the Son eternally proceeds from God the Father (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8).
God works by covenant, choosing His elect in Jesus before the world began. 2nd Timothy 1:9
God did not speak to Israel by His Son until Jesus was born (Heb 1:1-2).
The flesh body prepared for Jesus by God was chosen from David’s family tree.
Jesus had to have a literal and real flesh-bone-blood body to die for us sinners.
Jesus Christ’s flesh body descended from the Jewish fathers (Romans 9:5).
He was made of a woman in her womb in order to have His body (Gal 4:4). He took on our nature for the suffering of death in our place (Heb 2:14-18). A body was prepared for Him, and He willingly offered it (Heb 10:5-10,20). His body was formed in the womb of a woman like every other man is formed. Mary conceived and bore a human child like others (Mat 1:18-20; Lu 2:23). Without a mother, God has no Son … for God made Jesus by her (Gal 4:4). This way He was made in the likeness of men after being God (Phil 2:5-11).
 
Sister, Jesus is not the second person of the Godhead, he is God in his deity without qualifications.
I agree with all you said until you said Jesus was the second person.
Second simply being only the order of their names, as seen in Mt 28:19.

So we are in agreement.
 
Second simply being only the order of their names, as seen in Mt 28:19.

So we are in agreement.
I agree~every time throughout the NT, the order is protected since God is eternal, and the Son of God was born, even though, the deity of our Lord is well protected by many scriptures, stating to us that he created all things for himself, and he is indeed the Alpha and Omega of all things; the everlasting father of all things in his deity as the Eternal God, being eternal both ways.

Sister, there are godly folks on both sides of this controversy, (the eternal sonship vss the incarnate Sonship) and we must be carefully not to offend one of God's sheep over over this controversy. When you have time consider the following:

https://letgodbetrue.com/faq/index/...you-deny-the-eternal-sonship-of-jesus-christ/


https://letgodbetrue.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/sonship-simplified-slides.pdf updated


 
Jesus was the Son of God (Mt 16:16-17); i.e., God the Son (Mt 28:19) become flesh in Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:14).

Mary gave birth to the Son of God, who is God (Jn 1:1) the Son incarnate (Jn 1:14).

By the Word (Jn 1:1) is meant God the Son (Col 1:16).

God the Son and God the Holy Spirit eternally proceed from God the Father (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8, 15:26).

God the Son eternally proceeds from God the Father (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8).
I'm only responding to this post~to help a sister according to the spirit in which Aquila and Priscilla expounded unto Apollos the way of God more perfectly ~ doing this, knowing that another brother or sister could do the same for me.

Some powerful, but humbling scriptures, for all of us to heed.

Jesus was the Son of God (Mt 16:16-17); i.e., God the Son (Mt 28:19) become flesh in Jesus of Nazareth (Jn 1:14).
Amen~100% true.

Mary gave birth to the Son of God, who is God (Jn 1:1) the Son incarnate (Jn 1:14).
Jessu was indeed the Son of God by conception only~thereby, God incarnate in human flesh according to 1st TImothy 3:16. God became incarnated by joining Himself to the tabernacle of His Son.

By the Word (Jn 1:1) is meant God the Son (Col 1:16).
The Word was God, period, without any qualifications. Colossians 1:16, has reference to Jesus being God, the beginning and end of all things. Though the Word which was God, was made flesh, this does not mean that the Word was Jesus~Jesus was indeed the mighty God of Genesis 1;1, yet the God of Genesis 1:1 was NOT Jesus. Ponder this more, and I beleive you would agree.

God the Son and God the Holy Spirit eternally proceed from God the Father (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:8, 15:26).
Only according to the everlasting covenant~and in no other way is this possible. Please consider the link I posted above addressing this point. https://letgodbetrue.com/sermons/index/year-2003/the-sonship-of-jesus-christ/
 
Jessu was indeed the Son of God by conception only~
So the fact remains: Jesus was the Son of God.

No need for all the yadda-yadda.
The Word was God, period, without any qualifications. Colossians 1:16, has reference to Jesus being God, the beginning and end of all things. Though the Word which was God, was made flesh, this does not mean that the Word was Jesus
Other than,"And the Word (who was God, Jn 1:1) became flesh and dwelt among us." (Jn 1:14) in Jesus of Nazareth.

~Jesus was indeed the mighty God of Genesis 1;1, yet the God of Genesis 1:1 was NOT Jesus.
Of course not. . .who said he was?
The mighty God of Genesis did not become Jesus until about 2,000 hears ago (Jn 1:1, 14).
Ponder this more, and I beleive you would agree.
The above requires no "pondering". . .the mighty God of Ge 1:1 was not incarnate.
Only according to the everlasting covenant~and in no other way is this possible.
And if that does not negate it, then you have no point.

Lotta' laboring of the obvious. . .
 
Sister, Jesus is not the second person of the Godhead, he is God in his deity without qualifications.
The Father is never sent.
The Holy Spirit never sends.
The Son is both sent and sends.

Are these "qualifications"?
 
The Father is never sent.
There is one God manifest as three only according to each respective work in the redemption of God's elect. So, it is always the Father that does the sending~and btw, Jesus is the everlasting father per Isaiah 9:6.
The Holy Spirit never sends.
Really? Are you sure?

Acts 13:2​


“As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.”

The Son is both sent and sends.
Of course, God is a Spirit that dwells in eternity, always has, always will~He has begotten a Son for the sole purpose of making him the surety of his elect.

I see on this forum three classes of people debating this subject of the Mystery of godliness~Those they reject Jesus' deity as God manifest in the flesh~those who teach in the eternal Sonship doctrine, and myself, who holds to the incarnate Sonship of Jesus Christ. Maybe there more, but I do not think so, this generally covers all bases of the controversy in the professing religion on the teaching of the Godhead.
 
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There is one God manifest as three only according to each respective work in the redemption of God's elect. So,
it is always the Father that does the sending
There are actually three distinct persons, not just "manifestations," which persons are in the following relationships:
1) The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name Jn 5:23, 36, 43).
2) The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is set by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26).
3) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son (Jn 15:26, 16:7), as well as the Father (Jn 14:26).
and btw, Jesus is the everlasting father per Issaiah 9:6.
Yes, all three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, are the same one God.
Really? Are you sure?
Yes, the Holy Spirit never sends within the Godhead. Only the Father and the Son send.
Can you demonstrate otherwise?
 
There are actually three distinct persons, not just "manifestations," which persons are in the following relationships:
1) The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name Jn 5:23, 36, 43).
We believe in one God (I Cor 8:4-6; Deut 6:4).

Yet this singular God is three (I John 5:7

1st John 5:7​


“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Matthew 3:16​


“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: “ And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Isaiah 48:16​


“Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

So, here it was the Spirit that sent Christ into the world, proving that there is one LORD GOD, yet this glorious Being is manifest to us as three, and this is true only in each respective work in the redemption of God's elect.

They are distinct, only according to the plan of Salvation, yet one God. There must be a distinct persons among them in order for Jesus to take upon him the form of a servant, cloth in human flesh, in order to be a surety for the elect. Yet, in the world to come, there will be only One God we shall see and dwell with, world without end. It will be Jesus Christ. We are not that far apart.
Yes, the Holy Spirit never sends within the Godhead. Only the Father and the Son send.
Can you demonstrate otherwise?
I just did with Isaiah 48:16.
 
We believe in one God (I Cor 8:4-6; Deut 6:4).

Yet this singular God is three (I John 5:7

1st John 5:7​


“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

Matthew 3:16​


“And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: “ And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Isaiah 48:16​


“Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

So, here it was the Spirit that sent Christ into the world, proving that there is one LORD GOD, yet this glorious Being is manifest to us as three, and this is true only in each respective work in the redemption of God's elect.

They are distinct, only according to the plan of Salvation, yet one God. There must be a distinct persons among them in order for Jesus to take upon him the form of a servant, cloth in human flesh, in order to be a surety for the elect. Yet, in the world to come, there will be only One God we shall see and dwell with, world without end. It will be Jesus Christ. We are not that far apart.

I just did with Isaiah 48:16.
One more time. . .the Holy Spirit never sends anyone from the Godhead.
Only the Father and the Son send from the Godhead.

The Father only sends (from the Godhead).
The Son both sends and is sent (from the Godhead).
The Holy Spirit is only sent (from the Godhead).

1) The Son is subject to the Father, for the Son is sent by the Father in the Father's name Jn 5:23, 36, 43).
2) The Spirit is subject to the Father, for the Spirit is set by the Father in the Son's name (Jn 14:26).
3) The Spirit is subject to the Son as well as the Father, for the Spirit is sent by the Son (Jn 15:26, 16:7), as well as the Father (Jn 14:26).
 
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