Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[Binyawmene]

It was their notion. . .but I would understand it as it being evident that the origin of the Universe was not a random event, but had a rational intelligent First Cause.

Who is "their notion?"
So, you define Logos as "rational intelligent First Cause?"
Do you think John was making Intelligent Design arguments?

I don't. John was using the term Logos from Philo of Alexandria to refute proto-Gnosticism. If you understand what he taught, then you will understand why John used the term.

 

[Eleanor]

Who is "their notion?"
So, you define Logos as "rational intelligent First Cause?"

No, Greek philosophy did, and called it logos.

Do you think John was making Intelligent Design arguments?

I don't. John was using the term Logos from Philo of Alexandria to refute proto-Gnosticism. If you understand what he taught, then you will understand why John used the term.

John was putting the nature of Christ as deity/God in terms the Greeks understood, the logos of their philosophy: the First Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason behind the universe; i.e., the Supreme Being.

 

[Binyawmene]

No, Greek philosophy did, and called it logos.

John was putting the nature of Christ as deity/God

That a good start.

in terms the Greeks understood, the logos of their philosophy: the First Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason behind the universe; i.e., the Supreme Being.

So, which one are you riding with, John original intent thought or Greek philosophies, "Great Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason?" Go with the Bible and not philosophies.

 

[Eleanor]

That a good start.

So, which one are you riding with, John original intent thought or Greek philosophies, "Great Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason?" Go with the Bible and not philosophies.

I am going with John putting the truth about Jesus Christ in terms the Greeks could understand; i.e.
1) Jn 1:1 - logos is the Supreme Being, God, and
2) Jn 1:14 - the man, Jesus of Nazareth is logos, God, the Supreme Being.

 

[Binyawmene]

I am going with John putting the truth about Jesus Christ in terms the Greeks could understand; i.e.
1) Jn 1:1 - Christ is the Supreme Being, God, and
2) Jn 1:14 - the man, Jesus of Nazareth is Christ, God the Supreme Being.

Great. You are riding with John. Then you should be in agreement with me too. Are you going to denounce that Logos (according to John's view) is not "Great Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason?"

 

[Eleanor]

Great. You are riding with John. Then you should be in agreement with me too. Are you going to denounce that Logos (according to John's view) is not "Great Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason?"

Are you not understanding that John was using their reference points to explain the meaning of Jesus Christ--Supreme Being, and not necessarily agreeing with their reference points themselves, but that the Supreme Being whom they call logos is Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Binyawmene]

Are you not understanding that John was using their reference points to explain the meaning of Jesus Christ

That's the point I'm trying to demonstrate to you.

John identifies the Logos as being the Incarnate Son who is Jesus Christ.

--Supreme Being, and not necessarily agreeing with their reference points themselves, but that the Supreme Being whom they call logos is Jesus of Nazareth.

Do you believe that John used the term Logos to refute proto-Gnosticism?

 

[Eleanor]

That's the point I'm trying to demonstrate to you.

John identifies the Logos as being the Incarnate Son who is Jesus Christ.

Do you believe that John used the term Logos to refute proto-Gnosticism?

It would only refute proto-Gnosticism if all agreed there is only one such deity.
Other than that, it would create dual deities.

 

[Mr GLee]

Unless he was referring to the logos of Greek philosophy which was the First Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason behind the universe, and declaring that the recently reviled and crucified man, Jesus of Nazareth, is the eternal logos, source of all wisdom and power (Jn 1:1), who became flesh (Jn 1:14) to reveal God to us.

I would offer the law of faith /belief must be applied. Christ faithfully declared his living will and the evidence of that labor of love. . . it was God alone good

In the beginning was the word . . let there be . The faith plan . . has evidence.

If . . let there be and no evidence . . .dead faith , no power to produce.

The yes dear later. Where is the remote ? LOL