Which person in the Trinity is the Judge?

[Eleanor]

Two, God as Father the Holy Spirit Christ, displaying his power through dying mankind Jesus the Son of man . The promised demonstration. Of 3 days and nights of the Father Christ working in dying mankind the son of man Jesus

Two is the number that states one God has spoken. Three a (crowd ). That some call Holy Queen mother

???

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There are three persons in the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

All judgment has been given to the Son (Jn 5:22).

So: God is the Judge.

 

[makesends]

My answer is the person of the Son. I could be wrong about this and the reason why I'm asking the question. Looking for an honest and sincere answer. If someone has the kindness to give one. This is how I've drawn my conclusion. First, the Father is a covenant title of God (1 Peter 1:17). And that "God is a righteous judge" (Psalm 7:11) and "the Lord, the righteous Judge" (2 Timothy 4:8), but yet "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge" (James 4:12). I also read in the Bible that "It is God who judges" (Psalm 75:7) and that "the Father judges no one" (John 5:22), but yet, "God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ" (Romans 2:16, Revelation 2:23). After all, the Son is omniscient and knows all people (Jeremiah 17:10, John 2:24-25, Matthew 9:4, Mark 2:8, Luke 5:22, John 6:64, Revelation 2:23). I would assume that every time I read about, God or Lord being the judge, then it's not in reference to the person of the Father in the Trinity.

- The Son is the Judge

1. Abraham pleads to the LORD for Sodom (John 8:58, Genesis 18:16-33, vs. 25).​

2. The Father is not the judge (John 5:22, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31).​

3. The Son is the universal judge (Revelation 20:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46).​

4. Judge of the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1, Acts 10:42).​

5. The Son is God and God's judgment (Romans 2:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:5).​

6. Judgement seat is interlinked with "Christ" and "God" (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10).​

Perhaps it would be useful to define just which judgement or office is meant, here. If the office must be separated to only one of the three persons of the Godhead, then you are right. But it is incumbent on us to realize that there is always a lot of "overlap" (to put it into human terms) as to the actions of the Trinity, as well as to realize that we are ignorant of things beyond our ken. Scripture does make reference of judgements of sorts by the Spirit and the Father.

 

[Eleanor]

So: God is the Judge.

I dunno'. . .

 

[Binyawmene]

Perhaps it would be useful to define just which judgement or office is meant, here.

Hopefully you will be able to shed some light on my question in the OP.

First, I will give you a context for John 5:22 -

Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,​

There are similar verses (John 5:27, Acts 10:42, and 17:31).

Now you've asked to define "which judgement or office." Let's look at a few verses and allow the Bible to speak for itself. You have God the Father who has set a specific day. Which is the Son's office and when that particular judgement will occur:

Acts 17:31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.

Romans 2:16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.​

Both of those two Bible verses suggest that God the Father is judging through Son. But yet, we also read that the Father judges no one and appointment the Son to do the judging. And no one knows when that specific day is, not even the Son knows:

Mark 13:32 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (or will not make it known Acts 1:7).

Titus 2:13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, [John 17:10, Matthew 16:27 (Father's glory); 19:28; 24:30; 25:31-33 (Son's glory); 2 Thessalonians 1:5-10].​

The Son (who is God and man) is the universal judge:

2 Timothy 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: (Revelation 20:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Acts 10:42).​

 

[Runningman]

My answer is the person of the Son. I could be wrong about this and the reason why I'm asking the question. Looking for an honest and sincere answer. If someone has the kindness to give one. This is how I've drawn my conclusion. First, the Father is a covenant title of God (1 Peter 1:17). And that "God is a righteous judge" (Psalm 7:11) and "the Lord, the righteous Judge" (2 Timothy 4:8), but yet "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge" (James 4:12). I also read in the Bible that "It is God who judges" (Psalm 75:7) and that "the Father judges no one" (John 5:22), but yet, "God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ" (Romans 2:16, Revelation 2:23). After all, the Son is omniscient and knows all people (Jeremiah 17:10, John 2:24-25, Matthew 9:4, Mark 2:8, Luke 5:22, John 6:64, Revelation 2:23). I would assume that every time I read about, God or Lord being the judge, then it's not in reference to the person of the Father in the Trinity.

- The Son is the Judge

1. Abraham pleads to the LORD for Sodom (John 8:58, Genesis 18:16-33, vs. 25).​

2. The Father is not the judge (John 5:22, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31).​

3. The Son is the universal judge (Revelation 20:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46).​

4. Judge of the living and the dead (2 Timothy 4:1, Acts 10:42).​

5. The Son is God and God's judgment (Romans 2:3, 2 Thessalonians 1:5).​

6. Judgement seat is interlinked with "Christ" and "God" (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 14:10).​

This verse breaks your OP. God is doing the judging by a man he ordained to do the job. Why did you include it?

Acts 17
31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

How do you deal with the fact that others who aren't in your "Trinity" are also judging?

1 Corinthians 6
2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?

 

[Eleanor]

This verse breaks your OP. God is doing the judging by a man he ordained to do the job. Why did you include it?

That man is the Son of God, the second person of the Trinitarian Godhead; i.e., Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.

Acts 17
31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

How do you deal with the fact that others who aren't in your "Trinity" are also judging?

1 Corinthians 6
2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?

Both the saints (1 Co 6:2) and Jesus (Jn 5:27) will judge the world,
At the Judgment, the saints will assist Christ, to whom all judgment is given (Jn 5:22).

 

[Runningman]

That man is the Son of God, the second person of the Trinitarian Godhead; i.e., Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ.

Both the saints (1 Co 6:2) and Jesus (Jn 5:27) will judge the world,
At the Judgment, the saints will assist Christ, to whom all judgment is given (Jn 5:22).

So at the judgement there is a man doing the judging?

 

[Eleanor]

So at the judgement there is a man doing the judging?

See Jn 5:27, 1 Co 6:2.

 

[Runningman]

See Jn 5:27, 1 Co 6:2.

So the men aren't God then. God has appointed people to judge for Him based on His standards.

 

[Eleanor]

So the men aren't God then. God has appointed people to judge for Him based on His standards.

Read it again . .

 

[Runningman]

Read it again . .

Yes. It says that Jesus was given authority to judge which would mean he didn't inherently have this authority. Someone who doesn't have inherent divine sovereignty and inherent Lordship isn't the King of kings and Lord of lords. Hey, guess what? Jesus was never even called that in the Bible.

 

[Eleanor]

Yes. It says that Jesus was given authority to judge which would mean he didn't inherently have this authority.

Who made that rule?

 

[Runningman]

Who made that rule?

Not sure what you mean. If someone needs to be "given" their authority then they didn't already have their authority.

 

[Eleanor]

Not sure what you mean. If someone needs to be "given" their authority then they didn't already have their authority.

Not if the specifics of the authority which all have is divided among them in execution.

 

[Runningman]

Not if the specifics of the authority which all have is divided among them in execution.

Then the consequence is that Jesus wasn't given authority, contrary to what the Bible says, and therefore inherently had authority. That would mean the Bible is wrong unfortunately. That's one of the reasons I don't agree with Trinitarianism.

 

[Eleanor]

Then the consequence is that Jesus wasn't given authority, contrary to what the Bible says, and therefore inherently had authority.

Precisely, because Jesus is God, proceeding out from within God (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:9), as does the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:6).

That which proceeds out of, is generated by, is of the same nature as the one generating.
That the distinct persons of the Trinity exercise their divine authority in distinct functions of the Trinity demonstrates the orderliness of the three persons in the one God.

 

[Runningman]

Precisely, because Jesus is God, proceeding out from within God (Jn 8:42, 16:27, 28, 17:9), as does the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:6).

That which proceeds out of, is generated by, is of the same nature as the one generating.
That the distinct persons of the Trinity exercise their divine authority in distinct functions of the Trinity demonstrates the orderliness of the three persons in the one God.

Can't have Jesus being God and the credibility of the Bible being in tact. You're proposing a paradox in which the Bible repeatedly says that Jesus received all of his power, authority, and anointing from God then and then never received his power and authority from God, but rather already have it. So that's a contradiction and not acceptable in theology. The best way to understand the Bible is that Jesus isn't God because that's directly what it teaches many times. John 17:3 is a good place to start.

 

[Eleanor]

Can't have Jesus being God and the credibility of the Bible being in tact. You're proposing a paradox in which the Bible repeatedly says that Jesus received all of his power, authority, and anointing from God then and then never received his power and authority from God, but rather already have it. So that's a contradiction and not acceptable in theology.

Not when Jesus is both God and man, some applying to his humanity and other applying to his divinity.

The best way to understand the Bible is that Jesus isn't God because that's directly what it teaches many times. John 17:3 is a good place to start.

Don't blame your lack of Biblical context and unbelief on the text.

 

[Runningman]

Not when Jesus is both God and man, some applying to his humanity and other applying to his divinity.

Don't blame your lack of Biblical context and unbelief on the text.

Is human Jesus also the divine Jesus?