The elephant named Trinity.~

[Arial]

worshipping a false god is a salvation issue.

Yes, it is.

 

[grace2]

Not answered.

It is so annoying when the reply comes with not answered repeatedly when indeed he did over and over.

Just because you don't accept it or do not understand does not mean he did not reply.

He has been patient with you and so kind to you in your petition discourses.

 

[grace2]

Yes, it is.

I am glad we agree.

 

[Arial]

It is so annoying when the reply comes with not answered repeatedly when indeed he did over and over.

Just because you don't accept it or do not understand does not mean he did not reply.

He has been patient with you and so kind to you in your petition discourses.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Not answered.

The Bible says Jesus is created when it calls him conceived of a woman, son and man. Definition.

Begotten means created. Trinitarians invoke a contradiction “eternally begotten.” This is a violation of the first pillar.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

It is so annoying when the reply comes with not answered repeatedly when indeed he did over and over.

Just because you don't accept it or do not understand does not mean he did not reply.

He has been patient with you and so kind to you in your petition discourses.

Trinitarians start with a supposition, then defend it at all costs - even relationships.

One supposition is that anyone who rejects there dogma has not answered their questions. Of course, this is untrue. But to make it appear this way, they do infinite laps on ground already covered.

 

[Rella]

The Bible says Jesus is created when it calls him conceived of a woman, son and man. Definition.

Book, chapter and verse

Begotten means created.

No it does not.

Begotten is the English translation of the Greek word monogenes, meaning "only of its kind, only.

Begotten means to have born or brought forth, and is used metaphorically of God's relation to Israel, the Messianic king, and Christ.

Trinitarians invoke a contradiction “eternally begotten.” This is a violation of the first pillar.

Question... Who was the Word?

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Book, chapter and verse

Feel free to read all 3. Everyone knows what I wrote is truly in Scripture.

Being obtuse (pretending to not get the truth of what I write unless more evidence is presented and explained) is just a way to rationalize accepting an answer you don’t like.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

No it does not.

Yes it does. Check the dictionary. Definition.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Question... Who was the Word?

I’ve answered this in extreme detail several times for you already. Re-read our private emails.

 

[Rella]

Trinitarians start with a supposition, then defend it at all costs - even relationships.

One supposition is that anyone who rejects there dogma has not answered their questions.

Answer this then.

Why did YHWH pick a mortal girl to birth a mortal man on earth? For what purpose?

Could YHWH not have chosen someone already walking around to teach and preach and save and self sacrifice?

If not... why not?

Again, who do you say the Word was and what was their role in anything pertaining to this ball of mud we walk on?

Of course, this is untrue. But to make it appear this way, they do infinite laps on ground already covered.

 

[Rella]

Yes it does. Check the dictionary. Definition.

I did...

Begotten is the English translation of the Greek word monogenes, meaning "only of its kind, only.

Begotten means to have born or brought forth, and is used metaphorically of God's relation to Israel, the Messianic king, and Christ.

 

[Rella]

I’ve answered this in extreme detail several times for you already. Re-read our private emails.

Not fair to the other readers

 

[Arial]

The Bible says Jesus is created when it calls him conceived of a woman, son and man. Definition.

Begotten means created. Trinitarians invoke a contradiction “eternally begotten.” This is a violation of the first pillar.

So it is a concept you have arrived at, and is NOT explicitly stated? The very thing your deride trinitarians for?

Begotten (past participle of beget) however, does not mean created. It means brought into existence by or as if by a parent. See Webster definition.

To procreate or generate offspring. (dictionary.com)

To be the father of. (dictionary.cambridge)

Where does Scripture say He was conceived of a woman? In Matt 1:18-25 says the child was conceived in her. Luke 1:26-38 tells us that she convieved by the Holy Spirit.

Son nowhere has the definition of created. A son is a male descendent or male child, or a man considered as if in a relationship of child to parent. Notice that when the Bible speaks of Joseph as Christ's father it always says according to the flesh.

Man. No one denies that Jesus was a man. It is called the incarnation because the Bible repeatedly says He came from God and refers to Jesus by the same names of God and who does only what God can do.

Incarnate: invested with bodily and especially human nature and form. Embodied. Made manifest or comprehensible. To give bodily form and substance to. (Webster)

As in John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory,the glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Arial]

Imagine for a moment that Jesus is NOT God. The NT writers would not write what Jesus is not. Instead they write what he is, the long awaited suffering servant OF God. You have no answer to why language should be abused to construe a servant of God is meant to refer to God himself. See Acts 3:13.

Phil 2:5-11




5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,[b] 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant,[c] being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

to the glory of who?

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

So it is a concept you have arrived at, and is NOT explicitly stated?

It is explicitly stated as already proven numerous times. You just want to deny what words mean. This as opposed to reading into what whole sentences mean what you do.

Does the Bible say at Isaiah 45:5 that YHWH is God and there is no other God? Yes or no?

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

@Arial

1Jesus said these things,a and lifting up his eyes to heaven, said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that the Son can glorify you, 2just as you gave him authority over all flesh so that he could give life in the age to come to all those you have given him. 3And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God.
John 17:1-3 (REV)

Does Jesus say here that his Father is the only true God?

 

[grace2]

@Arial

1Jesus said these things,a and lifting up his eyes to heaven, said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that the Son can glorify you, 2just as you gave him authority over all flesh so that he could give life in the age to come to all those you have given him. 3And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God.
John 17:1-3 (REV)

Does Jesus say here that his Father is the only true God?

good catch.

 

[Arial]

@Arial

1Jesus said these things,a and lifting up his eyes to heaven, said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son so that the Son can glorify you, 2just as you gave him authority over all flesh so that he could give life in the age to come to all those you have given him. 3And this is life in the age to come, that they know you, the only true God.
John 17:1-3 (REV)

Does Jesus say here that his Father is the only true God?

And I don't disagree with Him. Neither does any trinitarian. So what is your point?