Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[David Lamb]

Yes, the Son of man Jesus became a born-again son of God. . Because of the resurrection power (Easter" of the Holy Father. not the carnal birth.9(Christmas)

I don't think we are ever going to agree on this, because you seem to take no notice of what I actually post, but just keep writing the same things. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus became the Son of God? Where in the bible does it say that Jesus and Christ are separate? In my bible it says 6 times that Jesus is the Christ. Not that Jesus became the Christ. Not that Jesus had the Spirit of Christ working on Him. And again I ask, where in the bible do we read that Jesus needed to be born again?

No power is attributed to the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus, He said his dying flesh profits for zero, nothing, nada.

Again, that is not what the bible teaches. For example:

“"Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed [Himself] to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness — by whose stripes you were healed.” (1Pe 2:22-24 NKJV)

“For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.” (Heb 7:26-27 NKJV)

What did profit was Christ pouring out His Holy Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life on dying flesh

,His living word is Spirit life giving

John6:63;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.


The Bible informs he is the first born of many sons of God (Christian)

Jesus our brother in the lord is not ashamed to call us brother sister or mother as he chaste virgin bride of Christ the church.

Romans 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.;For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my (Jesus the Son of man) Father which is in heaven, the same is my (Jesus the Son of man) brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my (Jesus the Son of man)brother, and my (Jesus the Son of man) sister, and mother

Brother Dave are you doing the will of the father as it is written just as Jesus the Son of man?

I take Jesus Christ as my ultimate example.

Not a salvation issue can't destroy the simplicity of the gospel Christ pouring out his powerful Holy Spirt on dying mankind .Mor of being sure of not some what you hear but by whom you say you do

The Son of man Jesus the temporal seen did the will of the eternal Holy Father not seen

Jesus is not temporal. He said: "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus Christ did not begin His existence with Mary giving birth in Bethlehem.

The dynamic duo the original. Then came my other heroes. The Lone Ranger and Tonto. One masked not seen. . the other Tonto

You seem reluctant to give a biblical reference for this supposed "dynamic duo".

 

[Mr GLee]

I don't think we are ever going to agree on this, because you seem to take no notice of what I actually post, but just keep writing the same things. Where in the bible does it say that Jesus became the Son of God? Where in the bible does it say that Jesus and Christ are separate? In my bible it says 6 times that Jesus is the Christ. Not that Jesus became the Christ. Not that Jesus had the Spirit of Christ working on Him. And again I ask, where in the bible do we read that Jesus needed to be born again?

The Bible does not teach the anointing Holy Spirit Christ is not a savior

Again, two kinds of saviors one seen Son of man Jesus) no power used to represent the unseen eternal. power our savior the father

Christ warns of the legion antichrists false apostles brining false prophecy oral tradition as commandments of fallen mankind. teach maknid must teach and not the unseen Holy Father Christ the anointing one good teaching master


The powerful word faith as how it is understood seem to be the issue

 

[David Lamb]

The Bible does not teach the anointing Holy Spirit Christ is not a savior

I never said that the Holy Spirit is a Saviour. In the bible, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Saviour:

“"From this man’s seed, according to [the] promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior — Jesus — ” (Ac 13:23 NKJV)

“but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,” (2Ti 1:10 NKJV)

“looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,” (Tit 2:13 NKJV)

“Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:” (2Pe 1:1 NKJV)

“for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2Pe 1:11 NKJV)

“For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.” (2Pe 2:20 NKJV)

“but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.” (2Pe 3:18 NKJV)

I cannot think of one verse that says that the Holy Spirit is a Saviour.

Again, two kinds of saviors one seen Son of man Jesus) no power used to represent the unseen eternal. power our savior the father

Again, you are saying something different to what the bible teaches. Over and over again, we read of Jesus being the Saviour. His very name was given, as the angel said to Joseph, because He would save His people from their sins. You again try to tell me that Jesus has no power, yet the bible says He does:

“"But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" — then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."” (Mt 9:6 NKJV)

“"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Mt 24:30 NKJV)

“And Jesus, immediately knowing in Himself that power had gone out of Him, turned around in the crowd and said, "Who touched My clothes?"” (Mr 5:30 NKJV)

“Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, "What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out."” (Lu 4:36 NKJV)

“And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed them all.” (Lu 6:19 NKJV)

“"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."” (Joh 10:18 NKJV)

Christ warns of the legion antichrists false apostles brining false prophecy oral tradition as commandments of fallen mankind. teach maknid must teach and not the unseen Holy Father Christ the anointing one good teaching master

Jesus Christ was not unseen when He was here on the earth.

The powerful word faith as how it is understood seem to be the issue

God has given me the faith I need to believe His word, the bible. The bible does not teach That Jesus and Christ are separate beings, or that Jesus is powerless, or that there are two Saviours.

 

[Mr GLee]

I never said that the Holy Spirit is a Saviour. In the bible, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Saviour:

“"From this man’s seed, according to [the] promise, God raised up for Israel a Savior — Jesus — ” (Ac 13:23 NKJV)

Hi Dave Thanks

Yes, Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior:

By whose Holy Spirit does he do the work needed to save?

Whose seed is the seed of Promise?

Dying mankind seed or the seed of Christ the spiriutual not seen .Yoked with him he can make our burden e lighter

The "let there be seed" and "it was God alone good"

The law of faith. . . belief ) .

Or using the parable of the potter? earthily inspired ????

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave Thanks

Yes, Lord Jesus Christ is the Savior:

By whose Holy Spirit does he do the work needed to save?

God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all involved in the work of salvation. The Lord Jesus Christ lived a perfect, sinless life, and gave His life on the cross to save sinners who trust in Him. He defeated death by rising.

Whose seed is the seed of Promise?

Dying mankind seed or the seed of Christ the spiriutual not seen .Yoked with him he can make our burden e lighter

You still seem to be trying to maintain that Jesus is "dying man". The bible says Jesus rose from the dead.

The "let there be seed" and "it was God alone good"

Who said "let there be seed"? I don't recognise that from the bible.

The law of faith. . . belief ) .

Or using the parable of the potter? earthily inspired ????

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

 

[Mr GLee]

God the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all involved in the work of salvation. The Lord Jesus Christ lived a perfect, sinless life, and gave His life on the cross to save sinners who trust in Him. He defeated death by rising.

Hi Dave.

It seems you are attributing the power of God Father over to to the Son of man Jesus and not the Holy Father?

A perfect example Christ the faithful powerful Creator as the lamb of God slain from the foundation of this creation. The six days the Father Christ did work. Finishing it

As a result of that faithful creative work . "let there be labor of love or called the same a work of faith" and it was God alone good .

In order to demonstrate the finished work of the lamb of God slain to the whole world. The work of two empowered by one.

He has given two prophecies as parables of two working as one. What I call dynamic duo. The Father striking the powerless Son bruising the heel. Genesis 3:15 mixed with the bruising of the heel Isaiah 53.

The three days and three nights prophecy. three different kinds of demonstrations began in the garden of gethsemane You could say a picture of the garden of Eden, the flaming sword opening the way back to fellowship

There the bloodless demonstration The Son of man Jesus' suffering unto death was wounded for our transgression (bruised heel) Three time in his suffering he reached out for support from the other apostles three times the Father put them to sleep therefore fulfilled the promise prophecy of two working as one.

Prophecy fulfilled (bruised heel/ crush Satan head. ) for the believer. Then they moved to the hill of skull the bloody demonstration the cross. . to the demonstration of the Lamb of God salin to whole world. And last the demonstration of three of the tomb. . the demonstration of faith (the unseen working of the Holy Father). All three work as one

Matew 26:36-46 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.;And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.;Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.

Then having fulfilled the prophecy (Bruised heel parable ) they moved to the second demonstration


From my experience many avoid the garden demonstration. the dynamic duo, And rather focus of the bloody husband Christ, the Cross and completely bypass the third, the tomb demonstration of faith (the unseen work of the Father removing the grave clothes and rolling back the Stone.) finishing the three days and nights demonstration of two .

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave.

It seems you are attributing the power of God Father over to to the Son of man Jesus and not the Holy Father?

No. I am saying that in the bible, we read that the Lord Jesus Christ is fully God, the Holy Spirit is fully God, and the Father is fully God. All are powerful. I have quoted several verses in previous posts which mention the power of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is also powerful:

“in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God, so that from Jerusalem and round about to Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.” (Ro 15:19 NKJV)

“"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."” (Ac 1:8 NKJV)

You keep talking of "Jesus the Son of man" as though He were a different Being To the Lord Jesus Christ. The bible does not do that, but says 6 times, "Jesus is the Christ."

A perfect example Christ the faithful powerful Creator as the lamb of God slain from the foundation of this creation. The six days the Father Christ did work. Finishing it
As a result of that faithful creative work . "let there be labor of love or called the same a work of faith" and it was God alone good .

Creation wa s"through Jesus Christ," according to the bible:

“To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to make all see what is]the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;” (Eph 3:8-9 NKJV)

In order to demonstrate the finished work of the lamb of God slain to the whole world. The work of two empowered by one.

He has given two prophecies as parables of two working as one. What I call dynamic duo. The Father striking the powerless Son bruising the heel. Genesis 3:15 mixed with the bruising of the heel Isaiah 53.

But the Son did have power, power to forgive sins, power to raise the dead, heal the sick.

The three days and three nights prophecy. three different kinds of demonstrations began in the garden of gethsemane You could say a picture of the garden of Eden, the flaming sword opening the way back to fellowship

There the bloodless demonstration The Son of man Jesus' suffering unto death was wounded for our transgression (bruised heel) Three time in his suffering he reached out for support from the other apostles three times the Father put them to sleep therefore fulfilled the promise prophecy of two working as one.

It was not just as Son of Man the the Saviour died. Many times in the bible we are told that Christ died. Here are some examples:

“For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.” (Ro 5:6 NKJV)

“But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Ro 5:8 NKJV)

“For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.” (Ro 14:9 NKJV)

“For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,” (1Co 15:3 NKJV)

Also. despite the fact that the bible says:

“When He rose up from prayer, and had come to His disciples, He found them sleeping from sorrow.” (Lu 22:45 NKJV)

you keep saying that the Father put them to sleep. Where does the bible say that?

Prophecy fulfilled (bruised heel/ crush Satan head. ) for the believer. Then they moved to the hill of skull the bloody demonstration the cross. . to the demonstration of the Lamb of God salin to whole world. And last the demonstration of three of the tomb. . the demonstration of faith (the unseen working of the Holy Father). All three work as one

Yes. all three, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Matew 26:36-46 Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder. And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.;And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.;Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.

Then having fulfilled the prophecy (Bruised heel parable ) they moved to the second demonstration


From my experience many avoid the garden demonstration. the dynamic duo, And rather focus of the bloody husband Christ, the Cross and completely bypass the third, the tomb demonstration of faith (the unseen work of the Father removing the grave clothes and rolling back the Stone.) finishing the three days and nights demonstration of two .

You keep mentioning the dynamic duo. The bible speaks of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, a dynamic Trio!

 

[Mr GLee]

You keep talking of "Jesus the Son of man" as though He were a different Being To the Lord Jesus Christ. The bible does not do that, but says 6 times, "Jesus is the Christ.

He Dave

The Urban alternative. LOL

Jesus the Son of man speaks of the fleshly birth. Flesh returns to dust.

Romans informs by a labor of the Father's power he raised up the dead to new born-again spirit life . . Son of God.

Jesus saying not as I will no power but as you Holy Father the one with power to raise the dead .

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Power to rise as the Son of God is a result of the resurrection. Not his earthen birth..

In that way the Pharisee's with Sadducees (two false witnesses) both worshiping a queen of heaven religion (his and hers gods)

They refused to get under the aithrtory of sola scriptura) and did whosever thire own imagination came up with.

Jeremiah 44:16-17;As for the word (sola scriptura) that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Needing a queen Mother after the flesh human birth in order to deceive and make it all about the lust of the flesh, lust of the eye the two building blocks of false pride . . .not of our Holy Father.

Attaching shame to sex creating the idea of virgin (sexless God some call Mary worship for this false virginity.

The new commandment to them is do not be fruitful and multiple. head towards extinction

Satan goal murder all, stop the seed, destroy humanity.

The word virgin is not used in regard the human sex alone. But is in respect to the unmarried or widows. Mary was with child before married.

Not the first woman not married used in passing down the spiritual unseen seed. Christ.

Note. . .(Purple) my added comment or personal opinion

Genesis 38:1-15 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was HirahAnd Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.;And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan (a second born used to represent a person must be born again) .And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.;And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.;And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.And Onan (the racist) knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.;And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.;And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.;And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.;When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, (Christ) that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Sexual sin another doctrine .

 

[David Lamb]

He Dave

The Urban alternative. LOL

I don't understand. What is the urban alternative?

Jesus the Son of man speaks of the fleshly birth. Flesh returns to dust.

Why do you keep saying that Jesus returned to dust? The bible says Jesus rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven.

Romans informs by a labor of the Father's power he raised up the dead to new born-again spirit life . . Son of God.

Jesus saying not as I will no power but as you Holy Father the one with power to raise the dead .

Jesus didn't say that. He said He, Jesus, had power to forgive sins.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Power to rise as the Son of God is a result of the resurrection. Not his earthen birth..

No, He said, "That you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins....."

In that way the Pharisee's with Sadducees (two false witnesses) both worshiping a queen of heaven religion (his and hers gods)

I don't believe the queen of heaven nonsense either. I'm not sure why you mentioned it.

They refused to get under the aithrtory of sola scriptura) and did whosever thire own imagination came up with.

Jeremiah 44:16-17;As for the word (sola scriptura) that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

Needing a queen Mother after the flesh human birth in order to deceive and make it all about the lust of the flesh, lust of the eye the two building blocks of false pride . . .not of our Holy Father.

Attaching shame to sex creating the idea of virgin (sexless God some call Mary worship for this false virginity.

Not me. I believe what the bible says about Mary, that she is blessed among women, not sinless, not blessed above all other women.

The new commandment to them is do not be fruitful and multiple. head towards extinction

Satan goal murder all, stop the seed, destroy humanity.

The word virgin is not used in regard the human sex alone. But is in respect to the unmarried or widows. Mary was with child before married.

Not the first woman not married used in passing down the spiritual unseen seed. Christ.

Note. . .(Purple) my added comment or personal opinion

Genesis 38:1-15 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was HirahAnd Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.;And she conceived, and bare a son; and he called his name Er.And she conceived again, and bare a son; and she called his name Onan (a second born used to represent a person must be born again) .And she yet again conceived, and bare a son; and called his name Shelah: and he was at Chezib, when she bare him.And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.;And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.;And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.And Onan (the racist) knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.;And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.;And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.;And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep.And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.;When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, (Christ) that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Sexual sin another doctrine .

But this has nothing to do with my post to which you were replying. I hadn't mentioned virginity, queen of heaven, or sexual sin.

 

[Mr GLee]

Why do you keep saying that Jesus returned to dust? The bible says Jesus rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven.

yes, Son of man all of mankind die not receiving the promise of a new incorruptible body (Hebrew 11:39) The earthen body returns to dust.

Jesus didn't say that. He said He, Jesus, had power to forgive sins.

Yes given from the Holy Father the one source of His powerful faithfulness .

But this has nothing to do with my post to which you were replying. I hadn't mentioned virginity, queen of heaven, or sexual sin.

As it seems. You do need some way to make it about the flesh of the son of man Jesus our brother in the Lord . . his fleshly birth and not the power of the Holy Father the resurrection

no power comes after the dying flesh of mankind Of his own flesh in John 6 he declares the will of the Holy Father. flesh cannot not profit it cannot enter heaven it returns to dust. God is not a man as us. Neither his thoughts as our ways

 

[David Lamb]

yes, Son of man all of mankind die not receiving the promise of a new incorruptible body (Hebrew 11:39) The earthen body returns to dust.

Not according to the bible.

“But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.” (Mr 16:6 NKJV)

So when you say that His body returned to dust, you are disagreeing with God's angel, who said that Jesus is risen!

Yes given from the Holy Father the one source of His powerful faithfulness .

As it seems. You do need some way to make it about the flesh of the son of man Jesus our brother in the Lord . . his fleshly birth and not the power of the Holy Father the resurrection

no power comes after the dying flesh of mankind Of his own flesh in John 6 he declares the will of the Holy Father. flesh cannot not profit it cannot enter heaven it returns to dust.

Our flesh returns to dust, but the bible assures that Jesus rose from the dead, bodily.

God is not a man as us. Neither his thoughts as our ways

Jesus Christ is fully God as well as fully Man. I never said He is a man like us, but He certainly became Man at His incarnation.

 

[Mr GLee]

“But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.” (Mr 16:6 NKJV)

So when you say that His body returned to dust, you are disagreeing with God's angel, who said that Jesus is risen!

His spirt ws risen the fl dying corrupted flesh returned to dust.

Al born again son of God die not receiving the new incorruptible bodies .

its not reincarnation rather than new creatures' new bodies neither male nor female

12 Corinthians 5:16;Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the fleshdying mankind) ) yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,(Jesus dying mankind) yet now henceforth know we him(Jesus dying mankind) no more.;Therefore if any man be in Christ, (the Holy Spirit of the Father ) he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


hebrew11: 38-39 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith (Chrsit's) , received not the promise:

God is not a man as us..

 

[David Lamb]

His spirt ws risen the fl dying corrupted flesh returned to dust.

Al born again son of God die not receiving the new incorruptible bodies .

its not reincarnation rather than new creatures' new bodies neither male nor female

12 Corinthians 5:16;Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the fleshdying mankind) ) yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh,(Jesus dying mankind) yet now henceforth know we him(Jesus dying mankind) no more.;Therefore if any man be in Christ, (the Holy Spirit of the Father ) he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


hebrew11: 38-39 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith (Chrsit's) , received not the promise:

God is not a man as us..

Thank you. However, I feel we keep saying the same things to each other.

You say that Jesus didn't bodily rose from the dead, and I say that the bible teaches that He did. The angel said, "You seek Jesus of Nazareth Who was crucified. He is not here; He is risen."

You say (though not in this post) that Christ could not die. The bible says that Christ died for our sins.

You say that Jesus is a different Being to Christ. The bible says, "Jesus is the Christ."

I don't think it is very edifying to others for us to keep saying the same things to each other, so I think it would be best if we bring our discussion to a close.

 

[Mr GLee]

Thank you. However, I feel we keep saying the same things to each other.

You say that Jesus didn't bodily rose from the dead, and I say that the bible teaches that He did. The angel said, "You seek Jesus of Nazareth Who was crucified. He is not here; He is risen."

You say (though not in this post) that Christ could not die. The bible says that Christ died for our sins.

You say that Jesus is a different Being to Christ. The bible says, "Jesus is the Christ."

I don't think it is very edifying to others for us to keep saying the same things to each other, so I think it would be best if we bring our discussion to a close.

Hi Dave

Yes, when he breathed his last breath, his new spirit returned to the Holy Father, his flesh to the field of clay

Ecclesiastes 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Understanding the eternal word. . . faith (power) is a must.

You show you walk or understand by sight, after the temporal historical.

It would seem one of us has the understanding of "Christ" the one good teaching master who works in us to both reveal his will and empower mankind to do it to His eternal good pleasure

Christ eternal God works In us (Not of us dying mankind) The one good infallible teaching master called a work of His "Let there be" faithfulness as it is written (sola scriptura). "And it was good".

The one kind of powerful "Let there be" (faith) that exclusively comes by hearing Christ working in us our eternal Emanuel. And not hearing the Son of man Jesus the temporal( seen) in us .Again eternal Christ in us

Eternal Christ has left us a valuable tool needed to rightly understand the parables the figurative prophecy . Comparing, mixing the temporal things seen the historical to the unseen eternal things of faith power to believe Chrsit in us

.The hope of His glory. Not glory in the temporal flesh as if God was a man

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

A very valuable tool needed at the beginning of any gospel Bible study. Mark it on one's forehead or hand

Is the faithful power to save after the Holy Father not seen or a dying Jewish man? Invisible eternal God or visible temporal?

 

[Hazelelponi]

You show you walk or understand by sight, after the temporal historical.

We aren't blind on this path,, we have been given the written word which Scripture says is what everything else has to agree with:

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

When we are all hearing from the same Spirit our doctrine will be the same.

When your doctrine is heretical, and agrees with no other Spirit in the Church, you have to say your the one out of step with the Truth, not the people who agree with Scripture..