Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[CherubRam]

We don't need to create a Trinity, because the bible already has it: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. We have it right from Creation, with God the Father creating, through His Son, as we see John 1:3:

“All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:3 NKJV)

The Holy Spirit was there, too:

“The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” (Ge 1:2 NKJV)

I don't know why you mention a queen mother in heaven or the pope. There are plenty of people who, like me, believe that God is three in one, a Trinity, who certainly aren't Roman Catholics, and don't believe in things like having a pope, or a queen in heaven. All the historical protestant confessions of faith include the Trinity. For instance the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith includes this paragraph about the Trinity:

"In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on Him.

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27 1 John 5:7; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14
28 Exod. 3:14; John 14:11; I Cor. 8:6
29 John 1:14,18
30 John 15:26; Gal. 4:6

You seem to believe that God is a Duo, not a Trinity, which seems to go against biblical and Christian teaching.

The Old Testament says that all things were made by Yahwah the Father. Even Yahshua says Yahwah is the creator.

 

[Mr GLee]

What is the D Trump in this context? I know the American president is Donald Trump, but what has that got to do with bible truth?

Hi Thanks

Sorry, just a little play on words. Sound the Trump

The Presidents humble goal is to make the powerful name . . . . .Christians better, greater again.

A call to restore (sola scriptura) The reforming authority in any generation, any people, anywhere two or three (a family) gather under that authority (sola scriptura)

He promises He is with us

 

[CherubRam]

Originally Matt 28:19 did not have the Trinity formula but said "baptize in my name," for which agrees with all the other scriptures.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Yahshua Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Acts 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Yahshua.)

Acts 10:48
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Acts 19:4
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Yahshua.

Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Yahshua.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Romans 6:3
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Yahshua Christ were baptized into his death?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[Arial]

The Old Testament says that all things were made by Yahwah the Father. Even Yahshua says Yahwah is the creator.

The NT, which reveals things that were not revealed in the OT tells us that Jesus was involved in creation.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Col 1:15-19 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritites---all things were created through him and for him. And he is the Head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Heb 1:2 But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

1 Cor 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

 

[CherubRam]

The NT, which reveals things that were not revealed in the OT tells us that Jesus was involved in creation.

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Col 1:15-19 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authoritites---all things were created through him and for him. And he is the Head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Heb 1:2 But in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

1 Cor 8:6 Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

The question here is, who is "HIM. Who is the Creator?

 

[Arial]

The question here is, who is "HIM. Who is the Creator?

The passages state who "Him" is. Jesus. So that is not the question. However you must have a different idea of who"him" is so let's hear it. With proper support or it will count for nothing.

 

[CherubRam]

The passages state who "Him" is. Jesus. So that is not the question. However you must have a different idea of who"him" is so let's hear it. With proper support or it will count for nothing.

I gave a reply but it was deleted. Have a nice day.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Thanks

Sorry, just a little play on words. Sound the Trump

The Presidents humble goal is to make the powerful name . . . . .Christians better, greater again.

A call to restore (sola scriptura) The reforming authority in any generation, any people, anywhere two or three (a family) gather under that authority (sola scriptura)

He promises He is with us

Thanks. That is clearer!

 

[David Lamb]

The Old Testament says that all things were made by Yahwah the Father. Even Yahshua says Yahwah is the creator.

And in the New Testament, much is said about Jesus Christ being involved in the Creation. For example:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” (Col 1:13-17 NKJV)

“has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;” (Heb 1:2 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

And in the New Testament, much is said about Jesus Christ being involved in the Creation. For example:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

Yes, in the beginning "let there be" and "there was rudiment" needed to cloth a spirit, dust and water".

Then he breathed in the breath of life. Let there be life

God speaks words he is not word.

If so which one word?

Dynamic duo three is a crowd.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, in the beginning "let there be" and "there was rudiment" needed to cloth a spirit, dust and water".

Where does the bible say anything like "There was rudiment?"

Then he breathed in the breath of life. Let there be life

God speaks words he is not word.

That disagrees with John 1:1:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (Joh 1:1 NKJV)

If so which one word?

Dynamic duo three is a crowd.

Another thing you just keep repeating. The bible doesn't teach that God is a dynamic duo. We read of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three were involved in Creation for example:

“All things were made through Him (the Word, the Son), and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:3 NKJV)

“The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” (Ge 1:2 NKJV)

 

[Arial]

I gave a reply but it was deleted. Have a nice day.

It was deleted because it didn't answer the question. The question was who was the "Him" in the scriptures I gave. What you did was post unrelated scriptures, and with not a word of your own.

 

[Mr GLee]

Where does the bible say anything like "There was rudiment?"

Hi Dave thanks

It does say it is impossible to know Christ after the rudiments (Flesh and blood Clay) God is not a man as us

He cannot be found by looking through a microscope or view through telescope. It is the spirit of His living Hope that works in mankind . . .not from rudiments

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (Joh 1:1 NKJV)

Which word was God? What did His word say?

Another thing you just keep repeating. The bible doesn't teach that God is a dynamic duo. We read of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three were involved in Creation for example:

Not a salvation issue can't destroy the simplicity of the gospel. God as our Father pouring out His spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit on dying mankind flesh and blood

The Holy Spirit is of the Holy father or call the Spirt of Christ it worked in the Son of man. A man must be born again

Jesus' brothers and sisters in the new born again family. Our brother in the Lord Jesus is not ashamed to call us his new family

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

He that denied the Holy Father not seen demonstrated by the Son seen denies them both. . the dynamic duo


1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father (not seen) and the Son.(seen) ;Whosoever denieth the Son,(seen) the same hath not the Father (invisable) : he that acknowledgeth the Son (seen) hath the Father(invisible) also.

 

[CherubRam]

And in the New Testament, much is said about Jesus Christ being involved in the Creation. For example:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.” (Col 1:13-17 NKJV)

“has in these last days spoken to us by [His] Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;” (Heb 1:2 NKJV)

"Him" is Yahwah.

 

[David Lamb]

"Him" is Yahwah.

No that doesn't make sense. "He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” "He" refers back to "the Word." You seem to be saying that "Him" is the Father" and "He" is the Son. John 1 isn't the only place where the bible teaches that Jesus Christ was involved in the Creation:

“and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;” (Eph 3:9 NKJV)

“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.” (Col 1:13-16 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

No that doesn't make sense. "He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” "He" refers back to "the Word." You seem to be saying that "Him" is the Father" and "He" is the Son. John 1 isn't the only place where the bible teaches that Jesus Christ was involved in the Creation:

“and to make all see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;” (Eph 3:9 NKJV)

“He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed [us] into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.” (Col 1:13-16 NKJV)

Hi Dave.

God's living word the "let there be" and "it was good" as the one Faithfull Creator.

God in Christ the husband is not a creation. Not like the Son of man Jesus. Christ is supernatural without nature a beginning.

What does make sense is as the lamb of God slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work. He promised in Genisis 3 :15 along with Isiah 53 the two witnesses to outwardly demonstrate (three days and nights) of his power of that prophecy, of the dynamic duo.

The work demonstrating, work of two empower by the Holy Father.

It was fulfilled beginning in the garden of Gethsemane. The Father striking bruising Jesus the Son of man heel crushing the head of the serpent. Three time to fulfil the work of the dynamic dual

Three times with three denoting the end of a matter. Jesus the Son of man awoke the apostles for aid in prayer.

Three times the Holy Father put them to sleep. Again, to fulfil the two prophecies. (three or more is a crowd). Then the Holy Father awoke them, and they moved to part two the hill of the skull the bloody demonstration as a sign to wonder after to the whole world and last the Tomb. Three demonstrations working as one

The "Let there be " (law of faith) which was from the beginning,

Not the Son of man Jesus the beginning but that called the Word of life

1 John 1:1-1 That (Power of the Father) which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave.

God's living word the "let there be" and "it was good" as the one Faithfull Creator.

God in Christ the husband is not a creation. Not like the Son of man Jesus. Christ is supernatural without nature a beginning.

What does make sense is as the lamb of God slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work. He promised in Genisis 3 :15 along with Isiah 53 the two witnesses to outwardly demonstrate (three days and nights) of his power of that prophecy, of the dynamic duo.

The work demonstrating, work of two empower by the Holy Father.

It was fulfilled beginning in the garden of Gethsemane. The Father striking bruising Jesus the Son of man heel crushing the head of the serpent. Three time to fulfil the work of the dynamic dual

Three times with three denoting the end of a matter. Jesus the Son of man awoke the apostles for aid in prayer.

Three times the Holy Father put them to sleep. Again, to fulfil the two prophecies. (three or more is a crowd). Then the Holy Father awoke them, and they moved to part two the hill of the skull the bloody demonstration as a sign to wonder after to the whole world and last the Tomb. Three demonstrations working as one

The "Let there be " (law of faith) which was from the beginning,

Not the Son of man Jesus the beginning but that called the Word of life

1 John 1:1-1 That (Power of the Father) which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

You seem intent on try to get me to agree with you that "Jesus" is not "Christ." You will not do that, because as I have mentioned before, the bible states at least 6 times that Jesus is the Christ. The bible calls the Saviour "Jesus Christ" (or "Christ Jesus") 249 times. You keep trying to separate "Christ" from "Jesus" I cannot go against what God teaches in the bible. Jesus Himself, when being questioned by the high priest as to whether He was the Christ, answered that He is.

You continue to state things that the bible does not say. You say: "Three times the Holy Father put them (the apostles) to sleep." The bible doesn't say that. It says:

“When He rose up from prayer, and had come to His disciples, He found them sleeping from sorrow. Then He said to them, "Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temptation."” (Lu 22:45-46 NKJV)

Nothing about the Holy Father putting them to sleep.

 

[Mr GLee]

You seem intent on try to get me to agree with you that "Jesus" is not "Christ." You will not do that, because as I have mentioned before, the bible states at least 6 times that Jesus is the Christ. The bible calls the Saviour "Jesus Christ" (or "Christ Jesus") 249 times. You keep trying to separate "Christ" from "Jesus" I cannot go against what God teaches in the bible. Jesus Himself, when being questioned by the high priest as to whether He was the Christ, answered that He is.

You continue to state things that the bible does not say. You say: "Three times the Holy Father put them (the apostles) to sleep." The bible doesn't say that. It says:

“When He rose up from prayer, and had come to His disciples, He found them sleeping from sorrow. Then He said to them, "Why do you sleep? Rise and pray, lest you enter into temptation."” (Lu 22:45-46 NKJV)

Nothing about the Holy Father putting them to sleep.

Hi Dave

How else could he fulfil the two prophecies of two working as one. . . . empowered by one.?

The garden parable the beginning of the three is not the most popular today.

The bloody husband demonstration of three or more is the crowd.

Gethsemane the Holy Father and Son company as prophesied. The Father faithfully striking Son bruising heel crushing head of serpent

Two represent Christ in us has spoken. I would refer to it as the law or power of faith (let there be" and "the good work of Christ" appeared.

The Son of man is not the Christ the husband of the wife (Christian) named her after him. . . Christ

The Holy Father according to the two prophecies bruising the heel of the Son of man, , putting them to sleep three times.

Mathew 26:42-46 ;He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.

Then the bloody husband as sign to wonder to the unbelieving world a crowd. Both demonstrations acting as one leaving the demonstration of the Tomb.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave

How else could he fulfil the two prophecies of two working as one. . . . empowered by one.?

What two prophecies teach that Christ and Jesus are separate? Jesus and the apostles clearly didn't believe them. Jesus told the high priest that He is the Christ, and apostles wrote 6 times in the New Testament, "Jesus is the Christ."

The garden parable the beginning of the three is not the most popular today.

The bloody husband demonstration of three or more is the crowd.

What bloody husband? Do you mean Jesus Christ the Bridegroom?

Gethsemane the Holy Father and Son company as prophesied. The Father faithfully striking Son bruising heel crushing head of serpent

Two represent Christ in us has spoken.

What ever does "Two represent Christ in us has spoken." mean?

I would refer to it as the law or power of faith (let there be" and "the good work of Christ" appeared.

The Son of man is not the Christ the husband of the wife (Christian) named her after him. . . Christ

The Holy Father according to the two prophecies bruising the heel of the Son of man, , putting them to sleep three times.

Mathew 26:42-46 ;He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy. And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.

Then the bloody husband as sign to wonder to the unbelieving world a crowd. Both demonstrations acting as one leaving the demonstration of the Tomb.

You still seem to be trying to convince me that Jesus is not the Christ. The bible says He is.

 

[Mr GLee]

What two prophecies teach that Christ and Jesus are separate? Jesus and the apostles clearly didn't believe them. Jesus told the high priest that He is the Christ, and apostles wrote 6 times in the New Testament, "Jesus is the Christ."

Hi Dave

You are forgetting Jesus the Son of man the prophet apostle prophesied declared the living words of the Holy Father will.

Not of his own self. But of the Father's Faithful labor of love or called a work of his "Let there be" faith as power needed to raise the dead to new born again from above spirit eternal life