Trinity: The Divinity of Jesus

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave

You are forgetting Jesus the Son of man the prophet apostle prophesied declared the living words of the Holy Father will.

Not of his own self. But of the Father's Faithful labor of love or called a work of his "Let there be" faith as power needed to raise the dead to new born again from above spirit eternal life

Yes Jesus Christ humbled Himself when He came to earth. Nevertheless, He is called King of kings and Lord of lords in the bible:

“"These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."” (Re 17:14 NKJV)

You can't say that the Lamb must be Christ but not Jesus, because we read::

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (Joh 1:29 NKJV)

You will not convince me that Jesus is not the Christ when the bible says He is.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes Jesus Christ humbled Himself when He came to earth. Nevertheless, He is called King of kings and Lord of lords in the bible:

“"These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."” (Re 17:14 NKJV)

Hi Dave thanks

The word faith as a source of power must be defined

I would offer. Believers must be careful, not so much by what the hear but rather by whom they say they do both hear and believe.

The hearing work of His Faithful understanding the Holy Spirit not seen

Jesus Christ, the one invisible one good teaching master humbled Himself and poured out His own Spirit life on dying mankind in jeopardy of His own Holy Spirit life

Acts 10:45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Not a gift of the Son of man Jesus the fift that worked in him yoked with Christ

Christ the husband the eternal Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man the temporal seen ..

I would offer those kinds of parables the "signified" understanding using the temporal historical, that seen and compared mixed with the eternal not seen things of Christ called Faith. The temporal with the eternal must be mixed then we can have the gospel rest. The parables must be rightly divided or interpreted.

A valuable prescription needed to rightly divide parables the signified prophecy

Satan not subject to the gospel having no vison would have mankind focus on what the eyes see the temporal. No gospel rest (Hebrew 4)

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No MIX. . No gospel

It would seem today there is less fear harm of a trusting Satan's lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy. Avoiding parables seem to be the wile of the evil

Luke begs the question. When he comes on the last day under the Sun, we he find faith the power of God by which we do believe. Or experience the validator. I had a dream, a vision heard, a voice etc.

No signs were given to wonder after.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes Jesus Christ humbled Himself when He came to earth. Nevertheless, He is called King of kings and Lord of lords in the bible:

Hi Dave Thanks

Jesus Christ the anointing teaching Holy Father. Jesus the Son of man ----the Son .

The Father and Son team

What you have offered would seem to be the goal of the father of lies, deceive mankind to believe eternal supernatural (without beginning or nature ) That God as a Jewish man is King of kings.

Satan is not subject to the spiritual gospel understnding.

Satan errored (bad guess) he chose Peter in Mathew 16 to rebuke the unseen Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from demonstrating the faithful power of Christ's labor of love Yoked with that labor our burden can be lighter

Mathew16:22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Remember when the 1st century reformation came (Hebrew 9) The vail was rent from the top to the bottom There was no Jewish King of kings sitting in what is called the Holy of Holies.

Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations of the world God is a jeaih man as King of King. Satn wil be realesed for a shoert while the then no longer under the Sun

Revelation 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Christ the anointing teaching Holy Spirit empowered Jesus the Son of man do "both" the key to understand .#1 hear the will of the father and #2 do the will empowered by the father .no power form the Son

The key is "both" to hear (let there be) and to do . . . .empowered by the father it was Christ alone good.

Jesus did the will of the Father with delight others murmur and complained like Jonah who desired to die because of his racism

Philipian2:13;-14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.;Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Same principle both to do hear the will of him that sent the apostle Son of Man, Jesus, and empower to finish his work.

Taught the disciples all about the hidden manna (Revelation 2:17) The daily bread or will of the father

John 4:33-35;Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Hebrew 6 informs us of the better things that accompany salvation for the believer Our Father promises us he will not forget the good works we can offer towards his name as power that again does both .

Two (Both) the witness God has spoke

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave thanks

The word faith as a source of power must be defined

I would say that God Himself is the ultimate source of power, not the word of faith.

I would offer. Believers must be careful, not so much by what the hear but rather by whom they say they do both hear and believe.

I think Christians should be careful both what they hear and whom they listen to.

The hearing work of His Faithful understanding the Holy Spirit not seen

Jesus Christ, the one invisible one good teaching master humbled Himself and poured out His own Spirit life on dying mankind in jeopardy of His own Holy Spirit life

Yes, Jesus Christ did that.

Acts 10:45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Not a gift of the Son of man Jesus the fift that worked in him yoked with Christ

What is a fift? Did you mean "gift"? In the bible, as I have said before and quote the verses, Jesus is not yoked with Christ, Jesus is the Christ. That is said six times in the bible.

Christ the husband the eternal Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man the temporal seen ..

No. In the bible Jesus Christ is the bridegroom. In Revelation we read:

“Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife."” (Re 21:9 NKJV)

Who is the Lamb? John tells us:

“The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (Joh 1:29 NKJV)

I would offer those kinds of parables the "signified" understanding using the temporal historical, that seen and compared mixed with the eternal not seen things of Christ called Faith. The temporal with the eternal must be mixed then we can have the gospel rest. The parables must be rightly divided or interpreted.

A valuable prescription needed to rightly divide parables the signified prophecy

Satan not subject to the gospel having no vison would have mankind focus on what the eyes see the temporal. No gospel rest (Hebrew 4)

Yes, and Jesus Christ is eternal, not temporal. What did Jesus say to the Jews?:

“Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."” (Joh 8:58 NKJV)

If Jesus was in existence before Abraham, He wasn't temporal.

2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No MIX. . No gospel

It would seem today there is less fear harm of a trusting Satan's lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder after as if true prophecy. Avoiding parables seem to be the wile of the evil

I do not avoid the parables.

Luke begs the question. When he comes on the last day under the Sun, we he find faith the power of God by which we do believe. Or experience the validator. I had a dream, a vision heard, a voice etc.

No signs were given to wonder after.

I agree, the miracles, signs and wonders Jesus Christ did were proofs of Who He is.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave Thanks

Jesus Christ the anointing teaching Holy Father. Jesus the Son of man ----the Son .

The Father and Son team

Not in the bible:

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)

“Then Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."” (Ac 8:37 NKJV)

“God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1Co 1:9 NKJV)

“For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us — by me, Silvanus, and Timothy — was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes.” (2Co 1:19 NKJV)

“that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.” (1Jo 1:3 NKJV)

“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” (1Jo 1:7 NKJV)

“Grace, mercy, [and] peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” (2Jo 1:3 NKJV)

That is 7 verses where Jesus Christ (not just Jesus) is called the Son. There are not verses that say that Christ is the Father.

What you have offered would seem to be the goal of the father of lies, deceive mankind to believe eternal supernatural (without beginning or nature ) That God as a Jewish man is King of kings.

So don't you believe in the Incarnation? Paul wrote to Timothy:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” (1Ti 3:16 NKJV)

You say that teaching that Jesus is God is a deception from Satan, Yet in the bible we read:

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2Jo 1:7 NKJV)

Not "Jesus as coming in the flesh," but "Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh."

Satan is not subject to the spiritual gospel understnding.

Satan errored (bad guess) he chose Peter in Mathew 16 to rebuke the unseen Holy Father and forbid the Son of man Jesus from demonstrating the faithful power of Christ's labor of love Yoked with that labor our burden can be lighter

Mathew16:22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Remember when the 1st century reformation came (Hebrew 9) The vail was rent from the top to the bottom There was no Jewish King of kings sitting in what is called the Holy of Holies.

Yet Jesus is the King of kings, and the king of the Jews:

“Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, "Are You the King of the Jews?" So Jesus said to him, "It is as you say."” (Mt 27:11 NKJV)

Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations of the world God is a jeaih man as King of King. Satn wil be realesed for a shoert while the then no longer under the Sun

Revelation 20:3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Christ the anointing teaching Holy Spirit empowered Jesus the Son of man do "both" the key to understand .#1 hear the will of the father and #2 do the will empowered by the father .no power form the Son

The key is "both" to hear (let there be) and to do . . . .empowered by the father it was Christ alone good.

Jesus did the will of the Father with delight others murmur and complained like Jonah who desired to die because of his racism

Philipian2:13;-14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.;Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Same principle both to do hear the will of him that sent the apostle Son of Man, Jesus, and empower to finish his work.

You still fail to deal with the 6 verses where we are clearly told that Jesus is the Christ. You continue saying that Jesus is a tempoiral being and Christ is eternal. The bible says 6 times, "Jesus is the Christ."

Taught the disciples all about the hidden manna (Revelation 2:17) The daily bread or will of the father

John 4:33-35;Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Hebrew 6 informs us of the better things that accompany salvation for the believer Our Father promises us he will not forget the good works we can offer towards his name as power that again does both .

Two (Both) the witness God has spoke

 

[Mr GLee]

Not in the bible:

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)

“Then Philip said, "If you believe with all your heart, you may." And he answered and said, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."” (Ac 8:37 NKJV)

“God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1Co 1:9 NKJV)

“For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us — by me, Silvanus, and Timothy — was not Yes and No, but in Him was Yes.” (2Co 1:19 NKJV)

“that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.” (1Jo 1:3 NKJV)

“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” (1Jo 1:7 NKJV)

“Grace, mercy, [and] peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” (2Jo 1:3 NKJV)

That is 7 verses where Jesus Christ (not just Jesus) is called the Son. There are not verses that say that Christ is the Father.

Hi Dave

Thanks for the reply

God the Faithfull powerful author "Let there be"

The faithful powerful Creator is not a man as us

Satan' goal to deceive all the nations of the word God is a Jewish man as King of king.


He tried using Peter in Mathew 16 to rebuke the Father not seen that worked in the Son of man Jesus seen.

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The Son of man Jesus fits under things of men

If Christ, the one good teaching master is not the Father. Then why did Jesus the Son of man refuse to commit blasphemy when one bowed down in worship

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Why do you think the man bowed down to the flesh of the Son of man Jesus and not honor the Father Christ, in whom the bride or church is named after (Christian)

The Father and Son team.
.
The dynamic duo

So don't you believe in the Incarnation? Paul wrote to Timothy:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” (1Ti 3:16 NKJV)

You say that teaching that Jesus is God is a deception from Satan, Yet in the bible we read:

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.” (2Jo 1:7 NKJV)

Not "Jesus as coming in the flesh," but "Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh."

Incarnation part of re-incarnation (the whole fleshy picture) .

A word coined in the 13-century used in the Cadaver trial of Pope Formosus. Dug up bones and pronounced judgement. In doing so revealing to the world they had no spiritual gospel understanding. . . . given in parable. Teaching their own false apostles as false prophets through the oral traditions of mankind.

Carnal men making it about the flesh of dying mankind. Christ decaled. Without parables figure of speech He spoke not. They as it seems most ignore the parable in favor of carnality supporting the flesh

Ezekiel 37:3-5;And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.;Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Those who serve the flesh must look to the flesh for resurrection power attributing it to the Son of man Jesus his fleshy birth. And not the power of the Father according to the unseen spirt of holiness .

God is invisible Spirit. Hè is not a man as us

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Again, not by his earthly fleshly birth.

The bible says 6 times, "Jesus "the savior" is the invisible Christ the one good teaching master. . He through His eternal Spirt worked in Jesus' savior (the Son of man . Just as he hopefully works in you

 

[David Lamb]

Hi Dave

Thanks for the reply

God the Faithfull powerful author "Let there be"

The faithful powerful Creator is not a man as us

Satan' goal to deceive all the nations of the word God is a Jewish man as King of king.

So when John and Luke wrote those six verses which include the words, "Jesus is the Christ," are you saying that they were deceived by the devil? When Jesus was asked by the high priest, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" was Jesus being deceived by Satan when He answered: "I am, and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven."?

He tried using Peter in Mathew 16 to rebuke the Father not seen that worked in the Son of man Jesus seen.

Mathew 16:22-23Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
;But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The Son of man Jesus fits under things of men

No He doesn't. He is fully Man and fully God.

If Christ, the one good teaching master is not the Father. Then why did Jesus the Son of man refuse to commit blasphemy when one bowed down in worship

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

I have said this before, and I have seen others say the same thing to you about that incident. He was not saying to the man, "I am not God." He knew that the man did not know who He was, and was encouraging him to think what it meant to call Him "Good Master." We have only to look at other scriptures to see that Jesus cannot have meant, "I am not God." For example, Thomas said to Him: "My Lord and my God!" and Jesus didn't reprimand him for doing so. Also Jesus Himself said, "I and my Father are one." and "He who has seen Me has seen the Father."

Why do you think the man bowed down to the flesh of the Son of man Jesus and not honor the Father Christ, in whom the bride or church is named after (Christian)

The Father and Son team.
.
The dynamic duo



Incarnation part of re-incarnation (the whole fleshy picture) .

A word coined in the 13-century used in the Cadaver trial of Pope Formosus. Dug up bones and pronounced judgement. In doing so revealing to the world they had no spiritual gospel understanding. . . . given in parable. Teaching their own false apostles as false prophets through the oral traditions of mankind.

Carnal men making it about the flesh of dying mankind. Christ decaled. Without parables figure of speech He spoke not. They as it seems most ignore the parable in favor of carnality supporting the flesh

Ezekiel 37:3-5;And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.;Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

Those who serve the flesh must look to the flesh for resurrection power attributing it to the Son of man Jesus his fleshy birth. And not the power of the Father according to the unseen spirt of holiness .

God is invisible Spirit. Hè is not a man as us

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Again, not by his earthly fleshly birth.

The bible says 6 times, "Jesus "the savior" is the invisible Christ the one good teaching master. . He through His eternal Spirt worked in Jesus' savior (the Son of man . Just as he hopefully works in you

What do you mean, Jesus' Saviour? Jesus was without sin, so He did not need a Saviour. He is the Saviour. That is why Joseph was told by the angel to name Him Jesus ("for He will save His people from their sins.") Yes, Jesus is the Saviour. Where in the bible do you find that Christ's eternal Spirit worked in Jesus the Son of Man? As I keep telling you, the bible 6 times says quite clearly, "Jesus is the Christ." It doesn't say, "Jesus had Christ's Spirit working on Him."

 

[Mr GLee]

So when John and Luke wrote those six verses which include the words, "Jesus is the Christ," are you saying that they were deceived by the devil? When Jesus was asked by the high priest, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?" was Jesus being deceived by Satan when He answered: "I am, and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power and coming in the clouds of heaven."?

No they understood Chrsit was the one good teaching master Thye would never bow down to the fleshly carnal

I have said this before, and I have seen others say the same thing to you about that incident. He was not saying to the man, "I am not God." He knew that the man did not know who He was, and was encouraging him to think what it meant to call Him "Good Master." We have only to look at other scriptures to see that Jesus cannot have meant, "I am not God." For example, Thomas said to Him: "My Lord and my God!" and Jesus didn't reprimand him for doing so. Also Jesus Himself said, "I and my Father are one." and "He who has seen Me has seen the Father."

The Son of man Jesus who when born again became as son of God Marvel not flesh and blood must be b orn again

Jesus the Son of man would never blaspheme the name of the Holy Father the one good teaching master. . directly called the good God. (not gods)

Yes, the Holy Father and Son the dynamic duo they are one in purpose. The son of man Jesus seen the temporal was used to demonstrate the unseen power of the eternal Holy Father.

Perhaps studying using the valuable interpreting tool needed to rightly divide the parables. This is seeing without parables Christ the Father spoke not.

Many ignore the loving commandment "while we look not". The living word not just a good suggestion

It's one of those write it on your forehead or back of hand. The first order in studying parables. dig as for silver or gold for spiritual understanding

2 Corinthians 4:1818 ;"While we look not" at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things (Dying) which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Not doubting Thomas an oral tradition of men. Faithless Thomas .

Satan would have men believe that doubting id the opposite of faith unseen power of God and not unbelief no faith (zero power) that could please our powerful God

Satan's lying wondering, wondering tool accusing the Christian day and night Saying you doubted and lost you faith

Doubt is part of every decision made

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[David Lamb]

No they understood Chrsit was the one good teaching master Thye would never bow down to the fleshly carnal

So why did they write (6 times between them), "Jesus is the Christ"? They did not write, " Christ was the one good teaching master, and Jesus was not."

 

[Mr GLee]

So why did they write (6 times between them), "Jesus is the Christ"? They did not write, " Christ was the one good teaching master, and Jesus was not."

You are missing the point the savior as the anointing good teaching master.

The Holy Father powerfully worked in the Son of man, Jesus. just as with all sons of God

You could say two saviors working as one. One seen the outward example. The other invisible eternal who rested on the 7th day

One doing the work (Let there be) who finishes it with "it was the Holy father alone good work of faith " or labor of love

It's the kind of spiritual (unseen) food the apostles knew not of food to both (the key) First to hear the loving commandment of the Father not seen and empower the Son of man Jesus to it to the good pleasure of the father. Not just hear but empowered to do .

If we hear the gospel and do obey the words (sola scriptura) of his faithfulness or labor of his love.

Then we have no salvation just carnal fleshly food false pride.

John 4:33-34;Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[David Lamb]

You are missing the point the savior as the anointing good teaching master.

I don't thin I am missing the point. I believe that Jesus is the Christ, as the bible says 6 times.

The Holy Father powerfully worked in the Son of man, Jesus. just as with all sons of God

You could say two saviors working as one.

No, the bible calls Jesus Christ the Saviour, not Jesus one Savior and Christ another Saviour:

“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,” (Php 3:20 NKJV)

“but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,” (2Ti 1:10 NKJV)

“To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.” (Tit 1:4 NKJV)

“whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,” (Tit 3:6 NKJV)

“for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2Pe 1:11 NKJV)

One seen the outward example. The other invisible eternal who rested on the 7th day

One doing the work (Let there be) who finishes it with "it was the Holy father alone good work of faith " or labor of love

It's the kind of spiritual (unseen) food the apostles knew not of food to both (the key) First to hear the loving commandment of the Father not seen and empower the Son of man Jesus to it to the good pleasure of the father. Not just hear but empowered to do .

If we hear the gospel and do obey the words (sola scriptura) of his faithfulness or labor of his love.

Then we have no salvation just carnal fleshly food false pride.

John 4:33-34;Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[Mr GLee]

I don't thin I am missing the point. I believe that Jesus is the Christ, as the bible says 6 times.

Thanks Bro

I agree Jesus the savoir is the Christ the one good teaching master as it is written. ( sola scriptura) Not Jesus the Son of man he is the Son taught by the Holy Father .

He warns us of those say we do need a man to teach as if he had not power comfort teach and guide his sons of God Christians)

Jesus the Son of Man. Not as I will, no power but your will Holy Father the will that can powerfully raise the dead and forgive sin

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks Bro

I agree Jesus the savoir is the Christ the one good teaching master as it is written. ( sola scriptura) Not Jesus the Son of man he is the Son taught by the Holy Father .

So now you are saying that there are two people called Jesus, one Jesus Christ the Saviour, and the other Jesus the Son of Man. That is not what the bible teaches. Look at the time when Jesus asked the disciples who people said He was:

“When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, "Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?" So they said, "Some [say] John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."” (Mt 16:13-16 NKJV)

He warns us of those say we do need a man to teach as if he had not power comfort teach and guide his sons of God Christians)

Jesus the Son of Man. Not as I will, no power but your will Holy Father the will that can powerfully raise the dead and forgive sin

Jesus forgave sin, raised the dead, healed the sick, changed water into wine. Jesus is the Christ.

 

[Mr GLee]

So now you are saying that there are two people called Jesus, one Jesus Christ the Saviour, and the other Jesus the Son of Man. That is not what the bible teaches. Look at the time when Jesus asked the disciples who people said He was:

Hi David

No just one person part of the dynamic duo called Jesus the Son of man.

God is not a person He is Spirit His thoughts not those of Jesus the Son of man

.A person is one that is described as "face to face" human looking at another human.

I believe we can see God face to face in hs glorious, revealed knowledge .(sola scriptura)

Eternal God is not like Jesus the Son of man.

Do you consider yourself as a son of God a born again Christian?

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

2 Corinthians 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God (not seen) in the face of Jesus Christ.as if God cold be sen if he had form

No different then faith as power to beleive (the unseen things of God) to the same faith unseen things of God the living gospel

Powerful Faith to face. . . faith to face. Six of one half dozen of the other

Romans !:12-17That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith (Christ in us ) both of you and me.Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.;I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

(Christ, Emanuel in us with us the living hope of his glory

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David

No just one person part of the dynamic duo called Jesus the Son of man.

But you seem to have more than a duo. You have the one you call "Jesus the Son of Man." You have God the Father. You have Christ. You have the Holy Spirit. The bible says that Jesus is the Christ (6 times).

God is not a person He is Spirit His thoughts not those of Jesus the Son of man

When Christians talk about God's person, they are not saying that He is a human, physical person. The term "Person of God" is a Christian concept that refers to God's divine nature and relationship with humanity.

.A person is one that is described as "face to face" human looking at another human.

I believe we can see God face to face in hs glorious, revealed knowledge .(sola scriptura)

Eternal God is not like Jesus the Son of man.

So why do we read of Jesus replying to Philip:

“Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?” (Joh 14:9 NKJV)

Do you consider yourself as a son of God a born again Christian?

Yes I do. But not like Jesus Christ. He is Son of God in His nature. I am a son of God by adoption:

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,” (Ro 8:14-16 NKJV)

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

2 Corinthians 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God (not seen) in the face of Jesus Christ.as if God cold be sen if he had form

No different then faith as power to beleive (the unseen things of God) to the same faith unseen things of God the living gospel

Powerful Faith to face. . . faith to face. Six of one half dozen of the other

Romans !:12-17That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith (Christ in us ) both of you and me.Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.;I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

(Christ, Emanuel in us with us the living hope of his glory

It is in the context of Joseph being told by the angel to name the Child "Jesus" that we are told about Him being Immanuel:

“"And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."” (Mt 1:21-23 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

But you seem to have more than a duo. You have the one you call "Jesus the Son of Man." You have God the Father. You have Christ. You have the Holy Spirit. The bible says that Jesus is the Christ (6 times).

Eternal God is not a man (as us impossible)

Why you would desire he is, is the $ 64,000.00 question?

The invisible Holy Spirit is the one Spirit of the Holy Father it powerfully worked in the Son of man Jesus to both (the key) give the Son of man Jesus ears to hear His Father (not as I will not power) and to do the will to the good pleasure of the Holy Father.

Philiapian 2:13-14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the Father with delight. Others like Jonah murmured and desired to die because of his racism

When Christians talk about God's person, they are not saying that He is a human, physical person. The term "Person of God" is a Christian concept that refers to God's divine nature and relationship with humanity.

Supernatural God has no nature as a beginning.

Yes I do. But not like Jesus Christ. He is Son of God in His nature. I am a son of God by adoption:

“For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,” (Ro 8:14-16 NKJV)

Yes, Abba the adopting Holy Father. Not Abba the adopted apostle, the Son of man, Jesus

Remember when Jesus was given words from the Father that a person must be born gain it of course included His own dying self.

The power to become a son of God (Christian) is by the resurrection not the fleshly birth of the Son of Man, Jesus .

Easter Power the raising power. no power to raise form the dead with Christmas.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

 

[David Lamb]

Eternal God is not a man (as us impossible)

But praise God, Eternal God became Man. That is what the Incarnation was all about.

Why you would desire he is, is the $ 64,000.00 question?

What does that mean? Why would I desire he is what? Do you mean. why would I desire that the Eternal God took on human flesh? It's not what I desire, but about what God teaches in His word.

“For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;” (Col 2:9 NKJV)

The "Him" there is called "Christ Jesus the Lord" in verse 6.

The invisible Holy Spirit is the one Spirit of the Holy Father it powerfully worked in the Son of man Jesus to both (the key) give the Son of man Jesus ears to hear His Father (not as I will not power) and to do the will to the good pleasure of the Holy Father.

Philiapian 2:13-14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the Father with delight. Others like Jonah murmured and desired to die because of his racism


Supernatural God has no nature as a beginning.

Yes, Abba the adopting Holy Father. Not Abba the adopted apostle, the Son of man, Jesus

Remember when Jesus was given words from the Father that a person must be born gain it of course included His own dying self.

The power to become a son of God (Christian) is by the resurrection not the fleshly birth of the Son of Man, Jesus .

But it was Jesus Christ Who rose from the dead.

“But he said to them, "Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He is risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid Him.” (Mr 16:6 NKJV)

He rose bodily. When He showed Himself to the disciples, they thought they had seen a spirit:

“Now as they said these things, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and said to them, "Peace to you." But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed they had seen a spirit. And He said to them, "Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have." When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.” (Lu 24:36-40 NKJV)

Easter Power the raising power. no power to raise form the dead with Christmas.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

I agree that the birth of Jesus Christ can raise nobody. Even so, it was necessary. Without a body, He could not die and rise again.

 

[Mr GLee]

But praise God, Eternal God became Man. That is what the Incarnation was all about.

Praise the Holy Father, Eternal God who powerfully by a work of His faith (power) or labor of love worked in dying mankind

. Pouring out His faithful Holy Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life on the Son of man Jesus ..who then born again became the first of many sons of God.

Marvel not.

 

[David Lamb]

Praise the Holy Father, Eternal God who powerfully by a work of His faith (power) or labor of love worked in dying mankind

. Pouring out His faithful Holy Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life on the Son of man Jesus ..who then born again became the first of many sons of God.

Marvel not.

That goes against so much of what the bible says. The One born of Mary in Bethlehem would be called "the Son of God":

“And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.” (Lu 1:35 NKJV)

He didn't have to be born again to become the Son of God. Indeed, He didn't become the Son of God. You don't find that in the bible, anywhere. He is the Son of God.

Yes He was the Son of God in His very being. Christians are God's children by adoption, not by nature, for as Paul wrote:

“And you [He made alive], who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.” (Eph 2:1-3 NKJV)

 

[Mr GLee]

That goes against so much of what the bible says. The One born of Mary in Bethlehem would be called "the Son of God"

Yes, the Son of man Jesus became a born-again son of God. . Because of the resurrection power (Easter" of the Holy Father. not the carnal birth.9(Christmas)

No power is attributed to the flesh of the Son of man, Jesus, He said his dying flesh profits for zero, nothing, nada.

What did profit was Christ pouring out His Holy Spirit life in jeopardy of his own Spirit life on dying flesh

,His living word is Spirit life giving

John6:63;It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

He didn't have to be born again to become the Son of God. Indeed, He didn't become the Son of God. You don't find that in the bible, anywhere. He is the Son of God.

Yes He was the Son of God in His very being. Christians are God's children by adoption, not by nature, for as Paul wrote:

The Bible informs he is the first born of many sons of God (Christian)

Jesus our brother in the lord is not ashamed to call us brother sister or mother as he chaste virgin bride of Christ the church.

Romans 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.;For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my (Jesus the Son of man) Father which is in heaven, the same is my (Jesus the Son of man) brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my (Jesus the Son of man)brother, and my (Jesus the Son of man) sister, and mother

Brother Dave are you doing the will of the father as it is written just as Jesus the Son of man?

Not a salvation issue can't destroy the simplicity of the gospel Christ pouring out his powerful Holy Spirt on dying mankind .Mor of being sure of not some what you hear but by whom you say you do

The Son of man Jesus the temporal seen did the will of the eternal Holy Father not seen

The dynamic duo the original. Then came my other heroes. The Lone Ranger and Tonto. One masked not seen. . the other Tonto