Spiritually Brain Dead

[sawdust]

You mean a believer has freewill to overcome stress?

No, I mean what excuse does a believer have not to believe the truth?

Do you think you might actually answer the question instead of responding with another question please?

 

[GeneZ]

The transformation of our faith happens after we believe; yet, another flavour of Calvinism?

And, no.. I am not a Calvinist. Nor, am I an Armenian.

Now, you tell us what you believe faith is.... I told you what mine is.

 

[Manfred]

By Him decreeing to present to you with offering the Truth that you have neglecting, needed sound doctrine that would snap you out of the
concept that our relationship of God is based upon his sovereignty. Which is time and space dimension hopping.

What do you mean? Do you ignore the sovereignty of God in order to tickle your ears?

Thinking always in terms of God's sovereignty as our guiding light is fatalism.

So ignoring God's sovereignty is the answer?
Why not rip it from the pages of scripture in order to allow scripture to conform to your views.

 

[PeanutGallery]

You mean a believer has freewill to overcome stress?

No, I mean what excuse does a believer have not to believe the truth?
...

God decrees in himself all things whatsoever comes to pass, that would include the inability of a believer not to believe the truth; one cannot do otherwise.

 

[PeanutGallery]

...
Now, you tell us what you believe faith is.... I told you what mine is.

We can choose to believe in ourselves or in any other gods, we can also choose to believe the gospel and place our faith in Christ alone to save us from sin and the wrath of God to come.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

 

[GeneZ]

What do you mean? Do you ignore the sovereignty of God in order to tickle your ears?

Well....

If God "sovereignly" wants me to ignore His sovereignty?

What can I do? For who can resist the will of God?

 

[PeanutGallery]

You read the King James, I see...

Why did you not write you comment in the archaic King James English, may I ask?

God decreed in himself all things whatsoever comes to pass, including what I read and write; I can do no other.

 

[GeneZ]

God decreed in himself all things whatsoever comes to pass, including what I read and write; I can do no other.

Well! Mr. Robot! Preprogrammed by God ... no choice to be made.

So... whatever you do to fail to receive rewards at the Evaluation? Is really all God's fault! Amazing!


For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been
built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss
but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15

Now? If I were the devil? I would use your rationale to get believers to become passive losers in the spiritual warfare.
After all? God does not want you to understand what can be understood by others!

amazing.....

 

[PeanutGallery]

Well! Mr. Robot! Preprogrammed by God ... no choice to be made.
...
amazing.....

You do not get the irony.

 

[GeneZ]

You do not get the irony.

There goes God's sovereignty again.

(now, let's see what He had programmed for you to do next)

 

[PeanutGallery]

There goes God's sovereignty again.

(now, let's see what He had programmed for you to do next)

Do you define sovereignty as:
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and
unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;

 

[GeneZ]

Do you define sovereignty as:
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and
unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;

That Decree was developed by man. God did not speak those words to Moses from a mountain.

Man devised the decree according to man's limited understanding of what omniscience means to man.

God decreed that man use his volition that God created man to have, to be used it according to a man's spiritual status.

Do you think God named all the animals, and Adam simply parroted the names back?

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds ​

in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever ​

the man called each living creature, that was its name." Gen 2:19​

grace and peace ............

 

[sawdust]

You mean a believer has freewill to overcome stress?

God decrees in himself all things whatsoever comes to pass, that would include the inability of a believer not to believe the truth; one cannot do otherwise.

Then why does He judge a person for not believing if it is He who is responsible for that?

 

[PeanutGallery]

That Decree was developed by man. God did not speak those words to Moses from a mountain.

Man devised the decree according to man's limited understanding of what omniscience means to man.

God decreed that man use his volition that God created man to have, to be used it according to a man's spiritual status.

Do you think God named all the animals, and Adam simply parroted the names back?

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds ​

in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever ​

the man called each living creature, that was its name." Gen 2:19​

grace and peace ............

We are talking past each other; I agree with what you said. By irony, I was responding as a Calvinist.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Then why does He judge a person for not believing if it is He who is responsible for that?

I was responding as a Calvinist.

 

[GeneZ]

Why man must have the right to choose before God!


Almighty God in order to create REAL life needed to make Himself vulnerable to do so.
That is when God gave man his own limited sovereignty to be in His image.
Our sovereignty is found in our volition.

God has proven that he can make himself vulnerable by Jesus becoming weak
when He had previously been in heaven manifested as God.

Philippians 2:5-8

In your relationships with one another, ​

have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: ​

Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God ​

something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!​

Why must we need to take on that same attitude as Jesus?

Because, if we learn enough Truth?
We would soon realize that in Heaven we shall be higher than all the angels.
Knowing that truth can make a person into a religious conceited snob if taken in the wrong way.

For, even the biggest loser on earth as a Christian? One who will be denied and lose all eternal rewards?
When in Heaven, he will still be higher than all the angels!

​

This is the one about whom it is written:​

​

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’​

Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone ​

greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of ​

heaven is greater than he" . Matthew 11:10-11​

John the Baptist died as a Jew. He will inherit the New Earth.
But, the Church's home will be in Heaven.

But our citizenship is in heaven. ​

​

And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ." Philippians 3:20​

As the Bride of Christ we all shall be higher than all angels....

And, in our glorious resurrection status?

Satan will be seen by us as an insignificant twerp.

In your relationships with one another, ​

have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: ​

 

[sawdust]

We are talking past each other; I agree with what you said. By irony, I was responding as a Calvinist.

I was responding as a Calvinist.

I see. Well I don't have a problem discussing with people if they want to play "devil's advocate" ( I do it with myself all the time) but it would have been helpful if you had stated that at the beginning of the discussion.

peace of the Lord be with you.

 

[PeanutGallery]

I see. Well I don't have a problem discussing with people if they want to play "devil's advocate" ( I do it with myself all the time) but it would have been helpful if you had stated that at the beginning of the discussion.

peace of the Lord be with you.

I usually end up discussing with Calvinists, rare I end up challenging non-Calvinist.
I assumed everyone was a Calvinist; but you are correct, it would be nice if association was included and viewable in the avatar.

 

[sawdust]

I usually end up discussing with Calvinists, rare I end up challenging non-Calvinist.
I assumed everyone was a Calvinist; but you are correct, it would be nice if association was included and viewable in the avatar.

Trouble with "association" I find too many assumptions get made as, like the other poster, I don't consider myself a Calvinist or Armenian. I'd much rather we listen to each other as individuals and not put each other in boxes.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Trouble with "association" I find too many assumptions get made as, like the other poster, I don't consider myself a Calvinist or Armenian. I'd much rather we listen to each other as individuals and not put each other in boxes.

"Not C/A" would fit nicely in avatar; neither am I 'C/A'.