Spiritually Brain Dead

[Manfred]

I haven't negated it nor do I oppose the doctrine of election. I understand it it to be for believers. A choice to save something can only be applied to that which is unsaved ie. an unbeliever. The doctrine of election is a choice God has made in respect to believers.

This is a lie and you have no Biblical proof of this.
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

You oppose scripture and not a doctrine!

The Church has been chosen to be "in Christ". Not all believers have been chosen for that position.

Again you spout and provide no scripture.

That is a choice God has made with respect to His own counsel alone and there are many times I wonder what that counsel could possibly be. It certainly is not based on the amount of faith one has for Daniel had more faith in his little finger than most Christians have today.

Not in dispute.
God's choices are His, He does not choose based on the will of man.

Huh? Are you admitting then you had no real intention of an actual discussion but rather simply were out to prove me wrong? That would hardly be a noble attitude.

That is what the haughty would conclude.
We had discussion. I presented scripture. You gave nothing but thoughts and theories.

Anyone can quote scripture. Maybe you would like to explain how and why an unbeliever can/would accomplish v.28 and come to Jesus when they are deaf, blind and utterly corrupt without any love for righteousness as you contend. Do you think Jesus was being rhetorical, knowing full well they couldn't do what He said?

Simple to exegete without throwing verse 25 -27 out of the picture.

I somehow doubt that you are interested at all however.

Jesus is seen praising God for this hiddenness.
What is more, Jesus not only praises God for His work of hiding, but He then makes it clear God is so far beyond us that we have no capacity to ever reach Him.
These are offensive words which even few Christians take seriously: “No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.” We cannot know God apart from God’s gracious self-disclosure. God is hidden.

This is not good news. We are left either contemplating the terrors of what it might mean to fall into the hands of such a God, or else we are left scrambling to find some way to appease His wrath, earn His favor, or perhaps just escape His notice.

But at just this moment, Jesus does have good news. Jesus shifts from speaking about the hidden God to speaking as the revealed God. Jesus shifts from speaking about God in the third person, to speaking as God in the first person. He draws our attention from God as deus absconditus to Himself as deus revelatus.

Verses 28 through 30 show us where we can rest: In Jesus. Jesus gives rest, rest for our souls (or very lives or whole selves). He bears the burden. He faces the terrors of the wrath of God in our place. Jesus carries the yoke and burden of our cross. Jesus cries into the dark void of God’s hiddenness and absence from His place on the cross, quoting Psalm 22. Jesus is alone and lifeless in the tomb. And there, in those dark, dark hours, when God seemed most hidden and His work seemed most heinous, there God reveals His compassionate heart. There He exposes a willingness to choose to give up His eternal and perfect Son in order to welcome home His wayward and burdened creatures, to be adopted as sons and daughters by faith.

Gospel: Matthew 11:25-30 (Reformation Sunday: Series C)

To preach Christ and Him crucified is to reveal again the revealed God who saves.

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[GeneZ]

Yes, do you?

What doubt? If you have a doubt in your doctrine perhaps it is conviction.

Of course. And he was wrong. Deceived.
Our fight is not against flesh and blood.

You misrepresent me Sir!

I will give God alone the glory for my salvation. Self and freedom of the will had no part to play.
I was obedient in His leading, not choosing based on my will.

If that does not build-up but your theology of self will glorification does, then you have the wrong idea as to who you want to build up!

I christen thee... "Master of missing the point."

 

[sawdust]

I christen thee... "Master of missing the point."

Maybe also "Master of irony"

I will give God .....
I was obedient .....

He only needs 3 more for the quinfecta.

 

[GeneZ]

I will give God alone the glory for my salvation. Self and freedom of the will had no part to play.
I was obedient in His leading, not choosing based on my will.

Your obedience required the will to be obedient....
You chose not to follow your own will....

Lot's of volition was going on there!

 

[Manfred]

Your obedience required the will to be obedient....
You chose not to follow your own will....

Lot's of volition was going on there!

I will end this discussion with a response to the above.

The desire I have to be obedient to my savior comes from God.
He is the perfector of my faith.

If it was ultimately left up to me I would end up eating slop with the pigs in some foreign country. I know myself.
Without God, I can do nothing!

You and the other poster may think it is your desire and you, and you and you and you...
You can do this without God. You don't really need Him at all. You choose to do, you choose to be whatever you choose to be. You glory in self and ability of self.
I say, good for you. Well done. Perhaps you will have something to boast about before God after all

 

[GeneZ]

I will end this discussion with a response to the above.

No.... you just need to end the discussion.

Why? Because you were caught with your own words.

But... you are "free" to go.

 

[Manfred]

I will end this discussion with a response to the above.

The desire I have to be obedient to my savior comes from God.
He is the perfector of my faith.

If it was ultimately left up to me I would end up eating slop with the pigs in some foreign country. I know myself.
Without God, I can do nothing!

You and the other poster may think it is your desire and you, and you and you and you...
You can do this without God. You don't really need Him at all. You choose to do, you choose to be whatever you choose to be. You glory in self and ability of self.
I say, good for you. Well done. Perhaps you will have something to boast about before God after all

No.... you just need to end the discussion.

Why? Because you were caught with your own words



But... you are "free" to go.

Where? You lack comprehension.
As I said at least you have something to boast about.
Your boasting above therefore does not surprise me in the least.

 

[GeneZ]

Where? You lack comprehension.
As I said at least you have something to boast about.
Your boasting above therefore does not surprise me in the least.

I was not boasting... I was saddened.

 

[sawdust]

I will end this discussion with a response to the above.

The desire I have to be obedient to my savior comes from God.
He is the perfector of my faith.

If it was ultimately left up to me I would end up eating slop with the pigs in some foreign country. I know myself.
Without God, I can do nothing!

You and the other poster may think it is your desire and you, and you and you and you...
You can do this without God. You don't really need Him at all. You choose to do, you choose to be whatever you choose to be. You glory in self and ability of self.
I say, good for you. Well done. Perhaps you will have something to boast about before God after all

You can throw as much whitewash on yourself and sling as much mud at others as you like, at the end of the day whether one comes to Christ or rejects Him, whether one obeys or disobeys, it all requires a personal volition response. The fact that anything is accomplished from that, is due to the grace and fidelity of God to His own word, not due to anything from within us.

peace of the Lord be with you.