Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible

[Fred]

Jesus is not the proper recipient of prayer. The Bible doesn’t say that anywhere. Get over yourself.

2 Peter 3:18 is still there.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Jesus was never prayed to in the Bible, never instructed anyone to pray to himself, and isn't God. Jesus taught all of his disciples to pray only to God the Father (Matt 6:6,9)

It’s so obvious to those not indoctrinated.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Jesus was never prayed to in the Bible, never instructed anyone to pray to himself, and isn't God. Jesus taught all of his disciples to pray only to God the Father (Matt 6:6,9)

Hello Runningman, as far as no one praying to the Lord Jesus in the Bible goes, the following verses have surely been offered, but just in case they have not, here you go. This part of the passage concerns the stoning and martyrdom of Stephen after he was dragged before the Sanhedrin to testify about the Lord Jesus (and is, in part, the reaction to his testimony by the Sanhedrin).

Acts 8​

54 When they [the Sanhedrin Council] heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at Stephen. ​

55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; ​

56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” ​

57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. ​

58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. ​

59 They went on stoning Stephen as he ~called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”~ ​

60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep. ​

So, interestingly, here we have both the Father and the risen/ascended Lord Jesus together in Heaven, with Stephen choosing to pray ~to the Lord Jesus~ to receive his spirit when he was dying (as well praying to the Lord Jesus and asking Him to forgive those who were murdering him as he died).

Again, this is basically a blind post, so if this has already been discussed in your thread, I apologize (I just didn't have time to read through the entire thread).

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf
p.s. - here's another short verse just for good measure, this time from the Apostle John (with more to come later, Dv).

Revelation 22​

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” ~Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.~​

.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Whoops, there is a typo in my post above. The first passage is from Acts 7 instead of Acts 8. Sorry about that, but it's too late to change it now as my editing window is closed.

 

[Mr GLee]

2 Peter 3:18 is still there.

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our( Invisible) Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever.
Amen.

Not. . .But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of dying mankind.. . . . Jesus the Son of man .

Two different gods as saviors working empowered by one .(father)

God as our father working in sons of God, Christians .Our Emanuel

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[Fred]

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our( Invisible) Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever.
Amen.

Not. . .But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of dying mankind.. . . . Jesus the Son of man .

Whatever that means.

Jesus already died.

 

[Mr GLee]

Whatever that means.

Jesus already died.

Jesus Son of man (not redeemed)o r born again Jesus son of God a new spirit that will never die . . . one the many born again Christians sons of our Father

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not .Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Others that had the teaching Spirit of Christ that worked in them (Christian ) the same powerful Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man .He has disappeared .

No reincarnation .His flesh returned to dues t like all of dying mankind

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The goal of the father of lies is to deceive mankind God is a Jewish man as King of kings as the king of this world

We serve a unseen eternal King of kings and Lord of earthly lords.

 

[GeneZ]

Been watching this thread for a while...

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Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

When you get into an automobile you do not get in to it via the trunk (the boot) .
But its still the same car!

Likewise...
We are to go to the Father THROUGH Jesus as God's prescribed proper means to "enter communion with God" in prayer.

Please. Some of you folks?
Try having a little faith?
Just accept what the Word says and stop fighting it?
Abraham was told at age 99 he was to sire a son.
FAITH! Abraham could not understand how it was to be done.
But, he believed God on His word!

It makes some look deeply troubled to continue arguing over what the Word says is so.
Jesus is God. But we do not pray to Jesus.

We don't pray to Jesus.
We don't pray to the Holy Spirit.
We get into the car as God tells us to enter into prayer.
All are God.

We are to pray to the Father 'in Jesus name' in the filling of the Spirit!
For we enter into communion with the entire Trinity when we enter into correct praying!

John 14:13

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ​

Notice how Jesus refers to the Father as being himself?

Please... we all need to get beyond this if we are to ever to fully mature in Christ.

grace and truth .........

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

2 Peter 3:18 is still there.

You are ci fusing something was done with it was supposed to be of sanctioned to have been done.

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

So, interestingly, here we have both the Father and the risen/ascended Lord Jesus together in Heaven, with Stephen choosing to pray ~to the Lord Jesus~

No. Eisegesis. Ambiguous, there is the lord God and lord Jesus. Which ‘he’ is being referred to? At least acknowledge the ambiguity.

 

[Fred]

Jesus Son of man (not redeemed)o r born again Jesus son of God a new spirit that will never die . . . one the many born again Christians sons of our Father

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not .Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Others that had the teaching Spirit of Christ that worked in them (Christian ) the same powerful Spirit that worked in Jesus the Son of man .He has disappeared .

No reincarnation .His flesh returned to dues t like all of dying mankind

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

The goal of the father of lies is to deceive mankind God is a Jewish man as King of kings as the king of this world

We serve a unseen eternal King of kings and Lord of earthly lords.

What a mess.

 

[Fred]

You are ci fusing something was done with it was supposed to be of sanctioned to have been done.

So was Peter in error?

 

[Papa Smurf]

No. Eisegesis. Ambiguous, there is the lord God and lord Jesus. Which ‘he’ is being referred to? At least acknowledge the ambiguity.

Hello Soldier of Christ1516, I'm not sure that I'm following you(?) Stephen, in v59 (in all of our various translations and paraphrases .. and in the Greek), prayed to the "Lord Jesus" by Name (not by Pronoun ... see the links above and/or the text below). This tells us which Member of the Godhead Stephen was praying to as he was dying, and that w/o any ambiguity.

Acts 7​

59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, ~“Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”~ ​

60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep. ​

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

Revelation 22​

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.​

.​

 

[Soldier of Christ1516]

Hello Soldier of Christ1516, I'm not sure that I'm following you(?) Stephen, in v59 (in all of our various translations and paraphrases .. and in the Greek), prayed to the "Lord Jesus" by Name (not by Pronoun

Sorry. Responded too quickly. Don’t confuse what was done with what should have been done. Said differently, you are reading into the verse. In the narrative we are NOT told to pray to Jesus.

I’m not too impressed by this Eisegesis. Even if we pray to many people who can grant us favors, it does not mean who we pray to is God.

“Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

Who was sitting to the left of the son of man? God. God in his wholeness, in his unitarian nature.

It is a profoundly anti-trinitarian verse - as are all verses that juxtapose Jesus with his God. Note: The text does not read sitting on the right hand of the Father.

 

[Rella]

Been watching this thread for a while...

​

​

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

When you get into an automobile you do not get in to it via the trunk (the boot) .
But its still the same car!

Likewise...
We are to go to the Father THROUGH Jesus as God's prescribed proper means to "enter communion with God" in prayer.

Please. Some of you folks?
Try having a little faith?
Just accept what the Word says and stop fighting it?
Abraham was told at age 99 he was to sire a son.
FAITH! Abraham could not understand how it was to be done.
But, he believed God on His word!

It makes some look deeply troubled to continue arguing over what the Word says is so.
Jesus is God. But we do not pray to Jesus.

We don't pray to Jesus.
We don't pray to the Holy Spirit.
We get into the car as God tells us to enter into prayer.
All are God.

We are to pray to the Father 'in Jesus name' in the filling of the Spirit!
For we enter into communion with the entire Trinity when we enter into correct praying!

John 14:13​

​

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ​

Notice how Jesus refers to the Father as being himself?

Please... we all need to get beyond this if we are to ever to fully mature in Christ.

grace and truth .........

Let us not forget:

JOHN 20: 26-29
26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been [f]shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

 

[GeneZ]

Let us not forget:

JOHN 20: 26-29
26 After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been [f]shut, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then He *said to Thomas, “Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus *said to him, “Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.”

Yes... Jesus is God. The Father is God.... and the Holy Spirit is God..

Each one is God having eternally designated Himself to a certain permanent function according to what our limited human perspective is..
So, we can know God, according to our limited human abilities.

 

[Rella]

Yes... Jesus is God. The Father is God.... and the Holy Spirit is God..

Each one is God having eternally designated Himself to a certain permanent function according to what our limited human perspective is..
So, we can know God, according to our limited human abilities.

God in 3 persons... blessed Trinity.

 

[Mr GLee]

God in 3 persons... blessed Trinity.

I would offer. .

God is one personality . Let us be . (Elohim ) Genesis 1:26

Eternal Holy Spirit according to the law of Christ's faith or labor of His Love. "Let there be a creation that I can use to show His invisible power.

"Let there be a new creation" and "it was God alone good". Creation a reflection or shadow of the unseen eternal Glory

The original Dynamic dual the Lone Ranger(LOL) . The Father, as a labor of his love strengthening His son Jesus the apostle with the kind of food the other apostles knew not of ??

The meaning of the parable was hid .

. John 4:31-33King James Version31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work

"Both" to will and to do . . . finish.

Jesus the Son of man did the fathers will with delight .Others like Jonah .murmured kicked against the pricks (thorns and briers) the letter of the law (Death) all the way . a prayed to die

I believe informing , Almighty mankind God is not served by the dying hands of mankind. . . . in any way shape or form .

The power of Christ the faithful husband.

Philippians 2::13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.Do all things without murmurings and disputing:

The better thing that acompanies salvation

Hebrews 6:7-10 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

 

[Papa Smurf]

Sorry. Responded too quickly.

Hello again Soldier of Christ1516, no worries

Don’t confuse what was done with what should have been done.

The thing is, what I knew was done in regard to praying directly to the Lord Jesus (by Stephen in Acts 7:59-60 and elsewhere in the Bible .. e.g. Revelation 22:20) is the reason that I joined this thread after reading its title, Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible. My opening reply (post #723 above) was meant to counter that statement, and I believe that it does so clearly (whether one believes that it, praying to the Lord Jesus, that is, should or should not have been done).

Said differently, you are reading into the verse. In the narrative we are NOT told to pray to Jesus.

Stephen is considered to be the first Christian martyr. He was murdered in 36 AD, LONG before any of the NT Gospels or Epistles were written. If what he did when he was dying was truly wrong (praying to the Lord Jesus directly instead of the Father, that is), then why wasn't it (Stephen's blasphemy, or at the very least, his heresy) addressed as such anywhere in the Holy Writ (so that the rest of us would know to never make the mistake that he did) (the Lord, speaking through the pen of Luke, could have even done so right there at the end of Acts 7, but He did not).

Lastly, as far as discussing the Deity of Christ and the Trinitarian nature of the Godhead, that I may or may not do in a later post here, but for now, let's keep our discussion focused on whether or not prayers were made to the Lord Jesus in the Bible, and also, I suppose, whether that was something that should, or should not be done, and why (I've found that conflating too many similar topics oft times ends what might have otherwise been a productive discussion).

An interesting side discussion that could also be made here (well, at least by Trinitarians, anyway) is why Stephen chose to pray to Jesus instead of to His Father at that time (I believe that he perhaps did so for the same reason that the Apostle Peter chose to baptize in the Name of the Lord Jesus in Acts, instead of using the Trinitarian formula that was laid down for him & us by the Lord in Matthew 28:19).

Thanks

God bless you!!

--Papa Smurf

Acts 7​

54 When they [the Sanhedrin Council] heard this, they were cut to the quick, and they began gnashing their teeth at Stephen. ​

55 But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; ​

56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” ​

57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and covered their ears and rushed at him with one impulse. ​

58 When they had driven him out of the city, they began stoning him; and the witnesses laid aside their robes at the feet of a young man named Saul. ​

59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”​

60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them!” Having said this, he fell asleep.​

​

Revelation 22​

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.​

.

 

[Carbon]

What a mess.

Yep