Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible

[Runningman]

Jesus before coming to earth existed eternally as God in heaven... made himself become as a man ... as the means to die for all mankind.

What you are describing is called an incarnation. The word for incarnation doesn't exist in the Bible. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit in Mary according to Matthew 1:18. What your describing isn't Scripture.

So? What is your problem with all the nit picking of certain words to drag out such a controversy?

Words and their meanings are important for an accurate understanding.

Jesus said.....

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9​

What are you trying to achieve?

In Trinitarianism, the Son is not the Father. Jesus was not saying he is the Father, but referring to knowing the Father. "Seeing" vs. "Blindness" is often in regards to knowing/understanding and not understanding and that's how it would be in this context.

 

[GeneZ]

There is no so-called "truth" that contradicts Jesus' teachings. He only taught about praying to the Father. Find a different interpretation that aligns with the Bible.

Yet, what you say does not prove that Jesus is God.
We are also not to pray to God the Holy Spirit.

We do not pray to the Father because He is the only one who is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God.
We pray to the Father because we are mere humanity. God established a protocol for our limited minds a way to pray.

 

[GeneZ]

What you are describing is called an incarnation. The word for incarnation doesn't exist in the Bible. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit in Mary according to Matthew 1:18. What your describing isn't Scripture.

Chapter and verse was not found in Scripture.
Your quoting using chapter and verse is not Scripture.

How's that for hindering progress?

 

[Fred]

There are also verses about saints being glorified with not mention of God.

Saints are not the proper recipient of a doxology.

Your comparison fails.

 

[Fred]

There is no so-called "truth" that contradicts Jesus' teachings. He only taught about praying to the Father. Find a different interpretation that aligns with the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 3:3 is still there.

 

[donadams]

And?

Christ does!

 

[GeneZ]

In Trinitarianism, the Son is not the Father. Jesus was not saying he is the Father, but referring to knowing the Father. "Seeing" vs. "Blindness" is often in regards to knowing/understanding and not understanding and that's how it would be in this context.

Of course! The Son is not the Father....

Why are we arguing over this?

Some just NEED to argue, and will find something to argue over.

 

[Runningman]

Of course! The Son is not the Father....

Why are we arguing over this?

Some just NEED to argue, and will find something to argue over.

This is a debate board. Any hint at some sort of opposition will be taken up be real men.

 

[Runningman]

Saints are not the proper recipient of a doxology.

Your comparison fails.

Jesus isn't the proper recipient of doxology according to Jesus' teachings. Begin with Matthew 6:6-9.

 

[Fred]

Jesus isn't the proper recipient of doxology according to Jesus' teachings. Begin with Matthew 6:6-9.

Thanks for your admission that you believe 2 Peter 3:18 is a lie.

 

[GeneZ]

This is a debate board. Any hint at some sort of opposition will be taken up be real men.

That does not explain what you are arguing it for.

Real men confront what is disingenuous.
The disingenuous in turn try to wriggle free.

I repeat what I said...

Of course! The Son is not the Father....
Why are we arguing over this?

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[Runningman]

Thanks for your admission that you believe 2 Peter 3:18 is a lie.

That would be bearing false witness.

 

[Fred]

That would be bearing false witness.

No, it isn't.
Your outlandish assertion from post 709 is easily refuted.

 

[Runningman]

That does not explain what you are arguing it for.

Real men confront what is disingenuous.
The disingenuous in turn try to wriggle free.

I repeat what I said...

Of course! The Son is not the Father....
Why are we arguing over this?

.............

So in John 17:3 the Son is not the Only true God?

 

[Runningman]

No, it isn't.
Your outlandish assertion from post 709 is easily refuted.

Saying I said something I didn't say is a lie. You should know better. You're a grown man on the Internet telling completely avoidable lies. Are you actually a Christian? It seems you are not even trying.

 

[Fred]

Saying I said something I didn't say is a lie.

It's already there in post 709.

You should know better. 2 Peter 3:18 is still there.

Get a clue.

 

[Runningman]

It's already there in post 709.

You should know better. 2 Peter 3:18 is still there.

Get a clue.

There is nothing about praying to Jesus in 2 Peter 3:18 and it doesn't support Trinitarianism either.

Get a clue.

 

[Fred]

There is nothing about praying to Jesus in 2 Peter 3:18 and it doesn't support Trinitarianism either.

Get a clue.

You denied Jesus is the proper recipient of a doxology.

2 Peter 3:18 refutes your false doctrine.

Thats was easy.

 

[Runningman]

You denied Jesus is the proper recipient of a doxology.

2 Peter 3:18 refutes your false doctrine.

Thats was easy.

Jesus is not the proper recipient of prayer. The Bible doesn’t say that anywhere. Get over yourself.

 

[GeneZ]

So in John 17:3 the Son is not the Only true God?

John 17:3
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Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
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That still does not mean the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son.


The Son is God.
The Father is God.

But the Son is God having two natures in union.
God and Soul.

The Father is solely God. No other nature in union.
The Father, as is, alone, is imperceivable to man.
The Father transcends human perception.

The Son uses His human nature to take what he uniquely knows about God, and translate God to man in human terms.

The Father as God does no such thing.
He works through the Son to make Himself known.
That is why Jesus said...

"No one comes to the Father except through me. "​

The Son is God actively making the Father knowable to man by interpreting what we can not perceive about God,
and interpreting God to us in human terms.

John 1:18

No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God
and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen;
He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].​

grace and peace ..............

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