Jesus was never prayed to once in the Bible

[grace2]

I guess you can't take a hint..

Its on Ignore for the bore.
See you no more!

continually ignore Jesus' warning.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes indeed, kings.

2 Timothy 2
12if we endure,
we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him,
He will also deny us;

Revelation 2
26And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations. 27He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father.

Revelation 5
10You have made them to be a kingdom
and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign upon the earth.”

Yes, they are reigning with Emmanuel on earth .according to our Holy Father.

 

[Mr GLee]

We pray to the Father THROUGH him...... He is the hotline phone to the Father.
He is our connection to God the Father.

And, visa versa.

John 14:9​

​

Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? ​

Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?​

He is the means by which we are to know God....

You do not know God is He is not also God.

We pray to the Father according to the living abiding word (sola scriptura) .Just as Jesus the Son of man .Jesus the apostle prophesied

Abba Father not as I will no power but you Father the invisible head. The one with all power to raise the dead or rebuke the spirit of error (legion)

believers can see the power of the Father working in dying mankind the Son of man. God the Faithful Creator no form .

"Let there be form" and it was God alone good .

God has no form .

John 14 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father work in me . . How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Teaches us they were not walking by the faith generated by the one source of Christian faith (sola scriptura) yoked with Christ

Its what the Father as Emmanuel shows us, a revealing source as his faithfulness and long suffering. ,.

We see him face to face in the revealed knowledge (sola scriptura). Like blessed are those in Mathew 16. For flesh and blood, (what the eyes see,) has not revealed it to the born again believer. , but our Father which is in heaven. Peter inspired by Satan turned it upside down, earthly inspired of the evil one as if it was earthly inspired and not loosed from heaven coming down like rain..

Face to face same as faith (the unseen work of God) to faith the same labor of love Called faith to faith, the power of the gospel (Romans 1)

 

[donadams]

Only God can emit the shekinah glory!

 

[Sheila3]

Jesus was never prayed to in the Bible, never instructed anyone to pray to himself, and isn't God. Jesus taught all of his disciples to pray only to God the Father (Matt 6:6,9)

YHWH knows the hearts of all:

1 Kings 8​

39be heard by You[YHWH] from heaven, Your dwelling place. And may You forgive and act, and repay each man according to all his ways, since You know his heart—for You alone know the hearts of all men—​

Jesus does not know the hearts of all:

Revelation 2​

23Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.​

Jesus isn't YHWH:

Psalm 110​

1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]​

“Sit at My right hand​

until I make Your enemies​

a footstool for Your feet.”​

Jesus was never prayed to:

Acts 1​

24And they prayed, “Lord,[YHWH] You know everyone’s heart..."​

Therefore Jesus isn't God and he denied it:

Mark 10​

18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.​

Old Testament

Isaiah 43:11 ___ I, even I and the lord, and beside me there is no savior

Isaiah 43:11 - Israel's Only Savior

I, yes I, am the LORD, and there is no Savior but Me.

biblehub.com

Isaiah 45:21 __ ...... there is no God beside me, a just God and a savior.... https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah 45:21

Isaiah 44:24 __ thus saith the Lord thy Redeemer, and he who formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things. That stretch for the heavens alone, that spread abroad the Earth by myself.

Bible Gateway passage: Isaiah 44:24 - King James Version

Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

www.biblegateway.com

Isaiah 9:6 __ For unto us a child is born unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, **the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father,** the Prince of Peace.
https://biblehub.com/kjv/isaiah/9-6.ht

Psalms 110:1 King David said THE Lord said unto MY Lord sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
The Lord is our Father and my Lord is Yeshua Jesus - "my Lord" notes a personal relationship ...... ((Lord is the title that man uses for of the name of God))

Either one believes in Scripture of the New Testament or they don't.
Jesus said our Father is Spirit no man has seen him John 6:46

JOHN 6:46 KJV Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

John 6:46 KJV: Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

Jesus also said no man has seen God John 1:18

Bible Gateway passage: John 1:18 - King James Version

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

www.biblegateway.com

So who walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the garden ? Why did Adam and Eve hide themselves from the presence of the Lord? Who communicated with and appeared to their offspring on down to even Enoch and Methuselah..... He came to Noah..... he said and ate with Abraham and appear to both Abraham and Sarah...... he wrestled with Jacob....... he appeared to Moses ....... He appeared to Gideon ...... He was with Daniel ..... And let's not forget His prophets ...... And a few others God appeared to.

People in Scripture Who Saw God: Appendix 5 of Immanuel a Practicum | Immanuel approach

Either one believes what Yeshua /Jesus says are they don't........ Those who believe what Jesus said, plus considering what is written in the Old Testament; Jesus is Yahweh - who is the Son - who is the Word of God and Lamb - who created all things - He who has rightful ownership of this world, making him not only Prince but King / God of it.

New Testament
John chapter 1 .....10:30 ..... 20:28 .....

 

[Sheila3]

Jesus was never prayed to in the Bible, never instructed anyone to pray to himself, and isn't God. Jesus taught all of his disciples to pray only to God the Father (Matt 6:6,9)

YHWH knows the hearts of all:

1 Kings 8​

39be heard by You[YHWH] from heaven, Your dwelling place. And may You forgive and act, and repay each man according to all his ways, since You know his heart—for You alone know the hearts of all men—​

Jesus does not know the hearts of all:

Revelation 2​

23Then I will strike her children dead, and all the churches will know that I am the One who searches minds and hearts, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.​

Jesus isn't YHWH:

Psalm 110​

1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]​

“Sit at My right hand​

until I make Your enemies​

a footstool for Your feet.”​

Jesus was never prayed to:

Acts 1​

24And they prayed, “Lord,[YHWH] You know everyone’s heart..."​

Therefore Jesus isn't God and he denied it:

Mark 10​

18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone.​

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Jesus said it is written MY HOUSE is a House of prayer ((he didn't say my Father's house or God's house, he made it personal))
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 21:12-13&version=KJV

They accuse Jesus of blasphemy: that he said he was the Son of God making himself EQUAL TO GOD and that he had the power to forgive sins

How many times was Jesus accused of "blasphemy?" - JesusAlive.cc

Jesus was directly accused of blasphemy on three different occasions, and indirectly accused on two more. Following are the 5 occasions.

jesusalive.cc

John 1:13 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God the same was in the beginning with God - ((and the Word became flesh.)) ((It is quite clear the word is God))

Revelation 19:12-13 ..... And his name is called the Word of God
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 19:12-13&version=KJV

Jesus said before Abraham was I Am John 8:58

Thomas said my Lord and my God John 20:28

Jesus said no man comes to the Father except by him John 14:6

For unto you born this day in the city of David A SAVIOR Luke 2:11
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jesus-Christ,-Savior
In the Old Testament God said he was savior and there was no other savior but him.


No the people didn't pray to Jesus, Jesus told the people to pray to the Father - but they worship Jesus and Jesus did not stop them from worshiping him. And we are absolutely not to worship anyone but God.

Does the Fact That Jesus Received Worship Prove That He Is God?

In a number of instances in the gospels we find people worshipping Jesus. A blind man that Jesus healed said. Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[Mr GLee]

Only God can emit the shekinah glory!

And?

 

[Mr GLee]

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Jesus said it is written MY HOUSE is a House of prayer ((he didn't say my Father's house or God's house, he made it personal))
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 21:12-13&version=KJV

They accuse Jesus of blasphemy: that he said he was the Son of God making himself EQUAL TO GOD and that he had the power to forgive sins

How many times was Jesus accused of "blasphemy?" - JesusAlive.cc

Jesus was directly accused of blasphemy on three different occasions, and indirectly accused on two more. Following are the 5 occasions.

jesusalive.cc

John 1:13 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God the same was in the beginning with God - ((and the Word became flesh.)) ((It is quite clear the word is God))

Revelation 19:12-13 ..... And his name is called the Word of God
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 19:12-13&version=KJV

Jesus said before Abraham was I Am John 8:58

Thomas said my Lord and my God John 20:28

Jesus said no man comes to the Father except by him John 14:6

For unto you born this day in the city of David A SAVIOR Luke 2:11
https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Jesus-Christ,-Savior
In the Old Testament God said he was savior and there was no other savior but him.


No the people didn't pray to Jesus, Jesus told the people to pray to the Father - but they worship Jesus and Jesus did not stop them from worshiping him. And we are absolutely not to worship anyone but God.

Does the Fact That Jesus Received Worship Prove That He Is God?

In a number of instances in the gospels we find people worshipping Jesus. A blind man that Jesus healed said. Then he said, "Lord, I believe!" And

www.blueletterbible.org

Hi, I would offer. We must continue to be careful how we hear who we say we do . Satan is there eager to snatch the spiritual, invisible seed Christ. Through lying signs that men wonder after as if it was prophecy

Many false apostles . false prophets, false teachers, that deny Christ has paid the full wage of sin, the whole cost of salvation And brag they will finish it in Limbo (for the younger sinners) and Purgatory (for the more mature) . That's one the favorite suffering and wonders .Were how much suffering? It seems used to deceive dying mankind . Satan King of lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder after Beliver have prophecy to the end of time They will not be deceived by lying sign that some wonder after. . . None were given

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Remember the a prophet, apostle Jesus the Son of man spoke the words of the Father (inspired falling down like rain ) . My house

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Same with before Abraham was born. . eternal God existed." Let there be"

Thomas demonstrated the confession of faith (The understanding Lords beliefs working a new believer, moved powerfully by God to believe,
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; (Christ) and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 20 :27 Then saith he (words of the Father) to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

After receiving the faith of God as lovingly commanded and rebuked for his unbelief (no faith) then the words of was born agin

John 20:28-29 And Thomas answered (the father) and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, (vision of faith as labor of love) thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Simply a call to salvation no different that any other born agin from above.

No blessing for seeing his dying flesh . We walk or understand the unseen eternal things, by his mighty works of faith as a labor of his love Mercy seasoned with grace

The kind of creative faith as power "Let there be" and Thomas moved by that power . . . .My Lord and God (not seen),

"The father of lies does that with many doctrines of God .with the doctrines of dying mankind turning inspirtion upside down as if inspired after the things seen the temporal

 

[GeneZ]

No one can pray to the Father without taking that prayer THROUGH Jesus.

We pray directly to the Father by means of including Jesus in that prayer to do so.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. ​

No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6​

You do not refuse to do that until you can figure it out.
We are just to do it by faith...

We can not separate the Father from the Son.
To try to do so is not to have the Father!

And....

In that day you will no longer ask me anything. Very truly I tell you, ​

my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. Until now you ​

have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, ​

and your joy will be complete." John 16:23-24​

While one earth his disciples would always ask of Jesus.
Jesus was telling them that when He is no longer on earth believers
will still be asking through Him by asking the Father in Jesus name, and then the Father will respond.

Its the protocol of God.

 

[Mr GLee]

No one can pray to the Father without taking that prayer THROUGH Jesus.

We pray directly to the Father by means of including Jesus in that prayer to do so.

Hi , I would offer..

The Son of man Jesus yoked with our invisible head, Christ died (33 years)

The Son of man Jesus will not cannot return in the flesh. Some did know the Father as Christ who worked in him But never again forever more Only one demonstration was promised

We are informed below

2 Corinthian 5: 16 -17 So stop evaluating Christians by what the world thinks about them or by what they seem to be like on the outside. Once I mistakenly thought of Christ that way, merely as a human being like myself. How differently I feel now! When someone becomes a Christian, he becomes a brand new person inside. He is not the same anymore. A new life has begun!


God is not a man as us .

 

[Runningman]

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Maybe you should take that as a sign to stop and rethink your premise.

Where does the Bible actually say Jesus was "prayed" to even one time? Yes you quoted a bunch of verses, but none of them say anything about Jesus being prayed to. It doesn't exist.

Also Jesus never instructed anyone to pray to him, no one ever taught anyone to pray to Jesus. It isn't Scriptural.

 

[Fred]

none of them say anything about Jesus being prayed to. It doesn't exist.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/mystery-of-the-most-holy-trinity.1317/page-4#post-52902

 

[Runningman]

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/mystery-of-the-most-holy-trinity.1317/page-4#post-52902

Acts 1:24,25 isn't about Jesus. It doesn't say Jesus' name. When Jesus taught people to pray, he directed them to pray to the Father who is the Lord of heaven and earth according to Matthew 11:25. Jesus taught about praying to the Father in Matthew 6:6,9

 

[Fred]

Acts 1:24,25 isn't about Jesus. It doesn't say Jesus' name.

It doesn't say the Father either.

Thanks for making that easy for me.

 

[Fred]

no one ever taught anyone to pray to Jesus. It isn't Scriptural.

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/rendering-prayer-is-a-sacrifice.1793/#post-76343

 

[Runningman]

It doesn't say the Father either.

Thanks for making that easy for me.

No precedent in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John about praying to Jesus. Since the Father is Lord (Matthew 11:25) and Jesus and his disciples prayed to the Father repeatedly, then Acts 1:24,25 is about praying to the Father. There are no examples to support your premise.

 

[Fred]

No precedent in Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John about praying to Jesus.

Wrong.

Let's take Matthew.

Jesus is the Son of Man (Matthew 26:64) of Daniel 7:13.
In Daniel 7:14 the Son of Man is the proper recipient of 'pelach.'

To be the proper recipient of 'pelach' (Daniel 6:16) means to be the proper recipient of prayer (Daniel 6:10).

 

[Josheb]

Maybe you should take that as a sign to stop and rethink your premise.

Where does the Bible actually say Jesus was "prayed" to even one time? Yes you quoted a bunch of verses, but none of them say anything about Jesus being prayed to. It doesn't exist.

Also Jesus never instructed anyone to pray to him, no one ever taught anyone to pray to Jesus. It isn't Scriptural.

In Revelation Jesus is seated on his Father's throne (Rev. 3:21). In other words, The Son sits on the throne of God. While on that throne,

Revelation 5:6-8
And I saw between the throne (with the four living creatures) and the elders a lamb standing, as if slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent out into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him who sat on the throne. When he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

So, these elders fall down before the lamb, each of these elders is holding a bowl full of the saints' prayers. They are not presenting these prayers to the Father. They are presenting them to the Son, the lamb.

Psalm 141:2
May my prayer be counted as incense before You; the raising of my hands as the evening offering.

If the author of Revelation is making a comparison between the prayers of David being counted as incense before God then John is either making a completely idolatrous and heretical statement placing Jesus in a position of God to receive prayers of the saints, or Jesus is God.

Revelation 8:1-4
When the lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them. Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him, so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand.

These seven angels that stand before God are joined by another angel holding a censer full of prayers of the saints and those prayers are added to the altar which is before the throne, and they go to God. Where is God in this passage? If you say, "On His throne" then the person on that throne is Jesus, according to Revelation 3:21.

Revelation 3:21
The one who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit with me on my throne, as I also overcame and sat with my Father on His throne.

Jesus is on his Father's throne. Jesus is also on the alter (Heb. 13:10-13). Jesus is seated on God's throne. So either a human is serving on God's throne. or Jesus is God. John is either making a completely heretical and wholly idolatrous claim, or Jesus is God. Either way, prayers are going to Jesus. Either way claims are being made in scripture that are either completely heretical and idolatrous, or the ontological comparisons between the Father and the Son, and the divine attributes assigned Jesus are correct exactly as written.

Maybe you should take that as a sign to stop and rethink your premise.

Maybe you should consider doing the same.

Where does the Bible actually say Jesus was "prayed" to even one time?

Revelations 5 and 8.

Yes you quoted a bunch of verses, but none of them say anything about Jesus being prayed to.

Revelation 5 and 8 do.

It doesn't exist.

Revelation 5 and 8 prove otherwise.

Also Jesus never instructed anyone to pray to him, no one ever taught anyone to pray to Jesus. It isn't Scriptural.

That is an entirely different premise for which there are also answers that are firmly couched in scripture and maybe you should take that as a sign to stop and rethink your view(s). Prayers to Jesus should not be conflated with Jesus asking to be prayed to.

 

[GeneZ]

Does one speak to his phone when speaking to another person over the phone?

No....

But, you can not speak to another hundreds of miles away without that speaking to the phone.
That is why we must go through Jesus Christ to pray to the Father.

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6​

Jesus is a our direct line to the Father for prayer.
We do not pray to Jesus, but through Jesus!

grace and peace ...............

 

[Runningman]

Wrong.

Let's take Matthew.

Jesus is the Son of Man (Matthew 26:64) of Daniel 7:13.
In Daniel 7:14 the Son of Man is the proper recipient of 'pelach.'

To be the proper recipient of 'pelach' (Daniel 6:16) means to be the proper recipient of prayer (Daniel 6:10).

Wrong.

Jesus only taught about worshipping the Father. John 4