What the Father did allow to happen and not rescue His Son from was His death and suffering from those wicked leaders to be our sacrifice for sin. The entire weight of that was upon Him to bear alone, but the Father never left Him.
He was there hearing His prayers and answering them upon His death.
My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?
Far from my help are the words of my groaning.
2 My God, I cry out by day, but You do not answer;
And by night, but I have no rest.
For here Jesus cries out to God, believing that he has been forsaken by him, asking why he has been forsaken, and asserting that God is silent. He receives no answer.
Yet you say He was there hearing and answering his prayers.
Moreover, let us not forget Jesus' promise to the sinner, "Today, you will be with me in paradise Luke 23:4."
This could be a hypostatic discussion. With God, there is always a mystery isn't there?
For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. The Trinity was never fractured, broken, or severed for even a moment, but together, the Godhead accomplished salvation for sinners.
This saying is misleading because no one ever said the Trinity was fractured. This is suggesting there is a problem here when there isn't. As we know the resurrection followed the crucifixion. So there is no fracture or issue.
The following scriptures affirm that Jesus' relationship with the Father on the cross was still there and not broken, abandoned or forsaken.
I won't debate a strawman, I'm not obligated to debate something I don't believe.
Here is what James Montgomery Boice had to say on this point.
according to the teaching of the New Testament, Jesus was indeed forsaken by God while he bore the sin of his people on the cross.
This is the very essence of the atonement—
Jesus bearing our hell in order that we might share his heaven. To be forsaken means to have the light of God’s countenance and the sense of his presence eclipsed, which is what happened to Jesus as he bore the wrath of God against sin for us.
How could this happen? How could one member of the eternal Trinity turn his back on another member of the Trinity? I do not know. I cannot explain it. But I believe that this is what the Bible teaches, so great was the love of God for us and so great was the price Jesus willingly paid to save us from our iniquities.
It is difficult and disturbing, which is why so many people have invented theories to explain it.
I sense that with you as well.
If you would like, proceed with John 3:16 on this subject, as how you connect it together to prove your theory. Thanks
There was not interruption even for a millisecond in the Tri-Unity of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Were talking about the Godhead? Of course not.
There was no change since God is Immutable. The Son cannot be separated from the Father or Holy Spirit. And we must never forget Jesus is a Divine Person who assumed a human nature, He is not a human person but a Divine Person. It was the Divine Son bearing our sins in the flesh.
You should be careful here. Jesus is 100% human and 100% God. He is a divine person. To say he was not really human, you would have to bring that discussion to the proper forum.
Psalm 22:24
For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
Psalm 22:19 and on, finds his communion with God restored. It's a cry of triumph, not despair. It marks when the period of darkness passes from Jesus' suffering which was a true alienation from the Father as punishment for our sins, and where Jesus becomes aware of God's presence and favor once again.
You are mixing this whole Psalm together, distorting it, and working from there. Interesting theory, ill give you that.
Do you not see the turning point in the Psalm?
Luke 23:46
Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.
And this works in your theory how?
John 16:32
"A time is coming and in fact has come when you will be scattered, each to your own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me."
Hebrews 5:7
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
Jesus' promise to the thief on the cross that today you will be with Me in Paradise reaffirms Jesus went to be with the Father and not suffer in hell as some teach.
Can you come right out and speak the facts of how these support your theory?
It was a Triune effort that worked out to perfection as They had planned from the very beginning. Furthermore, when this reconciliation took place at the cross, we read that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself - 2 Corinthians 5:19.
The book of Romans states that "God demonstrated His love for us that while we were still sinners Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). So Jesus' sacrificial atonement both propitiates (turns away God’s wrath) and expiates (covers our sins).
Expiate: Removes our sins. Atoned for, made satisfaction for. It's important to have this right.
Gods’ wrath does not fall on the sacrifice.
Scripture from beginning to end teaches Christ and him crucified. The OT sacrifices are a type and shadow of the Lamb of God. God's wrath did fall on Christ. There is no way around it.
Scripture teaches us that sin was condemned in the flesh, not that Jesus was condemned
(Romans 8:3).
hope this helps !!!
Personally, my friend, I think you do not have a good practice of dividing the word. Psalm 22 for one example, you don't seem to recognize the turning point in the Psalm and you mix it all together which distorts it. And it's from that distortion you try and teach.
I would be interested in proceeding and looking into this topic with you and others. But let's do it respectfully, and consider others. And may all the glory go to God alone. Only He is worthy.
