My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me? The last words of Christ.

[Tambora]

Instead of Jesus using the more intimate title of "my Father" He cries out with the more generic title of "my God".
I believe He does so for His cry to be more in tune with humanity, for even David sometimes felt God was not there to help him, but did so without ever denying that he was "my God" and would rely on Him no matter what.

There is also the term "why" has thou forsaken me, which would be a way of asking "for what reason".
It wasn't long before the whole world knew what that reason was.
Another indicator to stand firm in the God you place your faith in no how bad the situation at the time feels.

 

[Carbon]

Instead of Jesus using the more intimate title of "my Father" He cries out with the more generic title of "my God".
I believe He does so for His cry to be more in tune with humanity, for even David sometimes felt God was not there to help him, but did so without ever denying that he was "my God" and would rely on Him no matter what.

There is also the term "why" has thou forsaken me, which would be a way of asking "for what reason".
It wasn't long before the whole world knew what that reason was.
Another indicator to stand firm in the God you place your faith in no how bad the situation at the time feels.

Interesting.

But I do know one thing for sure, when he says, My God, My God, . . . it gives the cults a chance to expose themselves. And they do just that.

 

[Mr GLee]

I would offer. .

The first of three different kinds of promised demonstrations seems to work the best. The garden Gethsemane used to represent the garden of Eden protected by the flaming sword to re-establish

The promised work of two prophecies working as one Genesis 3;15 with Isaiah 53. The Father striking the Son, bruising his heal, crushing the head of the serpent.

The Father pouring out His Spirit life as if it were drops of blood on dying flesh and blood Jesus the Son of man, in jeapordy of his own Holy Spirit life as power

Luke 22:43-45 King James Version And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him. And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground. And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

There using sweat with to show the suffering of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit uses water in different forms to include spit to represent the unseen work of God .

Three times Jesus thought the Father had forsaken him , Three times he sought the help of the other apostles. Three time the father put them asleep to fulfill the prophecy of "two working as one"..

Then when finished with the first demonstration they moved to the hill of skull to fulfil another prophecy, using a tree or cross as a bloody demonstration.

John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

 

[Carbon]

There using sweat with to show the suffering of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit uses water in different forms to include spit to represent the unseen work of God .

This part, for now, sticks out to me. I don't know why you would think his sweat showed the suffering of the Holy Spirit. I do not think you will find such a teaching in scripture.

Jesus was 100% God and he was 100% human. Humans sweat.

 

[Mr GLee]

This part, for now, sticks out to me. I don't know why you would think his sweat showed the suffering of the Holy Spirit. I do not think you will find such a teaching in scripture.

Jesus was 100% God and he was 100% human. Humans sweat.

God the faithful Creator is not a man as us . . . . .a dying creation

In that parable sweat (H20) is used to show the Holy Spirit was working, suffering as if his Spirit was blood as he poured it out on dying flesh ,

Both water and blood work as one to represent the doctrine of Christ that fall like rain .Spit I would think the same way giving sight producing faith


Deuteronomy 32King James VersionGive ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

 

[Carbon]

God the faithful Creator is not a man as us . . . . .a dying creation

In that parable sweat (H20) is used to show the Holy Spirit was working, suffering as if his Spirit was blood as he poured it out on dying flesh ,

Both water and blood work as one to represent the doctrine of Christ that fall like rain .Spit I would think the same way giving sight producing faith


Deuteronomy 32King James VersionGive ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Do you deny the Trnity and the hypostatic union?

 

[Mr GLee]

Do you deny the Trnity and the hypostatic union?

I would call them the dynamic dual . Two is the witness God has spoken . Three is a crowd

Christ working in mankind .

God is not a man as us .

 

[Alive]

I would call them the dynamic dual . Two is the witness God has spoken . Three is a crowd

Christ working in mankind .

God is not a man as us .

You write in riddles, it seems. Why?
Don’t you want to communicate?

 

[Eleanor]

I agree. He was absurd. Jesus knew exactly what was at stake. In no other way could God Himself have willingly taken full responsibility for the repair and restoration.

We will have to be in glory to understand how awful it was.

 

[Eleanor]

You write in riddles, it seems. Why?
Don’t you want to communicate?

He is saying Jesus was not God, as John reveals (Jn 1:1), who became flesh in the man Jesus of Nazareth, as John reveals (Jn 1:14).

It's called unbelief. . .which riddles are designed to mask.

 

[Mr GLee]

You write in riddles, it seems. Why?
Don’t you want to communicate?

Hi thanks

Sorry for any extra work .

Yes, I do not purposely try to commune as if speaking in parables. Familiarity learning to trust one another can take time . I think in that way without parables Christ spoke not

Dropped out school was never interested in reading or writing. Hated English. I should of taken a class forty years ago.

 

[Alive]

Hi thanks

Sorry for any extra work .

Yes, I do not purposely try to commune as if speaking in parables. Familiarity learning to trust one another can take time . I think in that way without parables Christ spoke not

Dropped out school was never interested in reading or writing. Hated English. I should of taken a class forty years ago.

Do you talk like this? I doubt it.
Why not write like you talk?

 

[Arial]

R. C. goes on to say,
However vindicated Jesus ultimately was, the New Testament makes it clear that Jesus was indeed forsaken. He was while bearing the sin of his people on the cross, fully and totally forsaken by God. This was the very essence of the Atonement. The angus=ish he experienced had little to do with nails, thorns, and spears. Thousands of men had endured similar executions. His pain was uniquely concentrated in being exposed to the unmitigated wrath of God. To be forsaken is to be placed under the curse of God, to have the light of his countenance eclipsed.

I was pondering that a bit this morning, as I had never heard it expressed as the light of his countenance eclipsed. That is something we do not even experience as we live in the kingdom of darkness in this world. Not even the unredeemed experience it in the here and now. It will probably be what the unredeemed do experience either at death or judgement. It would not be simply dark, but something far worse. God would still be there, but all His sustaining light would be removed.

It would be beyond horrific. No wonder Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

 

[Eleanor]

Hi thanks

Sorry for any extra work .

Yes, I do not purposely try to commune as if speaking in parables. Familiarity learning to trust one another can take time . I think in that way without parables Christ spoke not

Dropped out school was never interested in reading or writing. Hated English. I should of taken a class forty years ago.

How do you expect to understand the written word of God if you don't master reading (and writing)?

That's a recipe for error. . .of which you demonstrate much.

 

[Mr GLee]

He is saying Jesus was not God, as John reveals (Jn 1:1), who became flesh in the man Jesus of Nazareth, as John reveals (Jn 1:14).

It's called unbelief. . .which riddles are designed to mask.

I would offer. Sounds like the Lone Ranger the masked man solving the mysteries of racisms with his helper Tonto .Tonto declaring Kemosabe not as I will but but you the lone powerful one.

The original dynamic dual "the father and the Son of man Jesu ." Not as I will but you Father the one with power .

John 1 In the beginning was "which" Word? That came from God? How many words three?. . .Let there be ? What is the testimony of this one word ?

I am aware having a living hope of the faithful living words of God the Creator. who is not just a phonic sound of a the word ,. .word.

In affect as a law of faith declared "let there be" and as a witness "flesh and blood mankind was good ".

The let there be God alone kind of faith.

No word, no evidence. Dead faith, powerless

John 6: 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Parables reveal mysteries of faith (Christ in us) some hide from his gospel understanding . It can enrich those yoked with Christ. He can make our burdens lighter, that is if we do not harden our hearts when hearing the gospel . . denying his power of faith as a labor of His Love .

 

[Mr GLee]

How do you expect to understand the written word of God if you don't master reading (and writing)?

That's a recipe for error. . .of which you demonstrate much.

I would think Christ is the master teacher, as our confidence he informs us in Philippians' 1:6 if he has begun the good teaching work in us he will continue to our last breath .Its a open book test, the only kind I could pass . I am a slower leaner

Knowing we have the same foundation of the faith of Christ labor of love as it is written .The recipe needed to rightly divide/interpret the parables.

2 Corinthians4:13-18 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

A somewhat neglected recipe. those things seen and unseen must be mixed or no gospel rest

 

[Josheb]

How are we to understand this scream of torment?

By starting with the original text from which Jesus was quoting. The quote is from Psalm 22 (which I will not quote in its entirety because of its length).

Reading through the entire psalm four basic realities come to the forefront. First, the one perceiving abandonment is not actually abandoned because there are promises or prophetic announcements the individual was not disappointed, he will be rescued, God face was not hidden and He did not turn away. Therefore, whatever forsaking occurred should be understood in those contexts. The second is that the psalm is prophetic. Jesus is therefore making a statement in fulfillment of prophecy. That, in turn, means his words cannot and will not be correctly understood if the prophetic nature of the psalm from which his words originate is ignored or neglected. The third reality could be broken down into separate matters but for the sake of brevity I've combined them: the inherent messianic/soteriological/eschatological significance of the psalm. This, in turn will be tied to other revelation given by God to the psalm's author, David, specifically related to the Messiah, salvation from sin, and the end times prophecies. In regard to this latter point, one example I assert is the connection between 2 Samuel 7, Psalm 22, and Acts 2:30-31. The fourth basic reality is that Jesus knows the future (as well as the entirety of God's revelation and its meaning).

Acts 2:29-33
Brothers, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. So because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that he was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh suffer decay. It is this Jesus whom God raised up, a fact to which we are all witnesses. Therefore, since he has been exalted at the right hand of God and has received the promise of the Holy Spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you both see and hear.


Jesus was forsaken but not abandoned. Jesus knows his hanging on the cross will fulfill all the promises of God.

 

[Josheb]

I read, Albert Schweitzer said it was the final grasp of bitter disillusionment of Jesus. According to him, Jesus was driven by an almost monomaniacal vision - His expectation was eschatological, not in the sense of the futuristic, but in the sense of transcendence and divine. Jesus awaited a breakthrough from heaven. - am immediate, sovereign, divine, drama that would establish God's kingdom on earth.

Schweitzer believed Jesus erred (he was not impeccable). A very influential theologian, but not to be read without caution.

 

[Arial]

Parables reveal mysteries of faith (Christ in us) some hide from his gospel understanding . It can enrich those yoked with Christ. He can make our burdens lighter, that is if we do not harden our hearts when hearing the gospel . . denying his power of faith as a labor of His Love .

Not everything is a parable. Jesus sometimes used parables for a specific purpose.

Matt 13:10 Then the disciples came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?" 11. And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given." 13. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says" 'You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.' 15. For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.'

Surely that is not your purpose.

The apostles never spoke in parables, at least not within the writings we have.

 

[makesends]

Part of his taking our punishment for sin may have been to experience a sense of abandonment by God, which the damned will certainly experience as punishment for their sin.

And, in my opinion, that was by far the worst of his pain.