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Why Have You Forsaken Me?

I take exception to the wording above. Jesus did not fulfill the Law in His death, He bore the consequences that breaking the Law would bring, in our place. Or in our room as the old timers worded it. And fulfilling the Law was more than keeping the legal code, but was also the perfect righteousness of God that is expressed in the Law. The law of God we are all under, and all obligated to keep, perfectly summarized in the ten commandments.

I only say this because of something I came across in another thread. A poster, that according to all his posts, does not appear to believe in the substitutionary death of Jesus in any way, shape, or form. He made the statement that Jesus was obedient unto death to fulfill the Law, so we can learn to be meek like Him. Loose paraphrase, but the idea that was presented. IOW, interpreting the passage in 1 Peter 2:21-24 to mean that He was enduring the sins of those who crucified Him without complaint---making that a part of the Law that He fulfilled---to teach us that we too are to die to sin and live to righteousness.

So to me, to say "Without experiencing the consequences, the Law was unfulfilled" I think is a misstatement. It was perfect righteousness that Christ fulfilled.
I was watching a Video today, which I will keep watching over again to better understand it. I liked that it said Christ's Keeping of the Law would fall short of Fulfillment without him also experiencing the Consequences for it being Broken. He Reaped the Blessings for Keeping it, so he had to Reap the Consequences; to experience that too. In order to experience this, he had to be our Substitute. Of course he did this out of Love, but a side effect of the Atonement would be God experiencing the Consequences of Sin as well...
 
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So, for the record you are denying God incarnate?
I am denying that God is not a member of dying mankind He is not a Jewish dying man as King of kings

No such thing as divine flesh and blood . the qualifier of the wrath of God . worship the temporal dying things seen above the unseen spiritual things of God not seen

Romans 1: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (son of man Jesus a creature ) more than the Creator, (invisible head Christ) who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 
I am denying that God is not a member of dying mankind He is not a Jewish dying man as King of kings
Why not? Isn't this just conjecture? You have no Biblical evidence to support what you are claiming.

No such thing as divine flesh and blood . the qualifier of the wrath of God . worship the temporal dying things seen above the unseen spiritual things of God not seen

Romans 1: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature (son of man Jesus a creature ) more than the Creator, (invisible head Christ) who is blessed for ever. Amen.
C'mon man this text is totally out of context. Romans 1:18-32 Paul is speaking about God's wrath against all unrighteousness. This in no way this supports your conjecture. But I am curious to know. You also deny original sin, right?
 
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Thanks, but, is there more than one witness to that fact? Not saying I doubt you nor that I believe you, but this is the first I've heard of that. I wouldn't want someone else to turn against me on the word of just one person.
There were several on that forum; in fact, it was they who alerted me to the problem.
 
Why not? Isn't this just conjecture? You have no Biblical evidence to support what you are claiming.


C'mon man this text is totally out of context. Romans 1:18-32 Paul is speaking about God's wrath against all unrighteousness. This in no way this supports your conjecture. But I am curious to know. You also deny original sin, right?
Hi thanks for the reply .I would offer,

Do I deny it ? I am living out the appointment of death it will end when I take my last breath of oxygen. its appointed to all.

Yoked with Christ our daily burdened can be lighter if we do not harden our hearts .He gives us a living future hope, beyond the grave.

The idea of original sin. . . divides death making it manageable venial in Limbo or Purgatory

I would think anything that not of the faith of Christ labor of love as it is writen is sin Can't divide grace .
 
Hi thanks for the reply .I would offer,

Do I deny it ? I am living out the appointment of death it will end when I take my last breath of oxygen. its appointed to all.

Yoked with Christ our daily burdened can be lighter if we do not harden our hearts .He gives us a living future hope, beyond the grave.

The idea of original sin. . . divides death making it manageable venial in Limbo or Purgatory

I would think anything that not of the faith of Christ labor of love as it is writen is sin Can't divide grace .
Thank you for sharing. I am only sharing the Free Gift of Promise that God made with Adam & Eve, Abraham. Understanding sin and how far we have fallen, will help us understand how amazing God's Grace really is. I use to be on that hamster wheel taking self-inventory to see if I am saved through my efforts. This is a fools errands, this is the way of the Pharisees and Scribes who display an outward showing of so-called godly deeds, but inside are dead men bones. We need to be like the Tax Collector who knew who he was before a Holy God; a sinner. And knew that the only place for a sinner was in God's mercy seat.

Not until this relationship of alienation is restored or reconciled works are useless, and misleading because of our pride thinking that we can merit God's favor when we are already under the curse of the Law and condemned by it. Please understand that God's Grace redeems sinners who trust in God who justifies the ungodly.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith​

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

Do you understand what Paul is saying here? The Righteousness that is manifested apart from the Law is given by his Grace as a "FREE GIFT"
and received through Faith Alone (Self-Renouncing); received with empty hands and nothing to offer. It's what we receive that has value, the treasure of Redemption; the imputed Righteousness of Christ that is manifested apart form the Law! How glorious is this for a sinner?

For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Here again, all are in the same boat before a Holy God, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God! But sinners are justified in this condition as sinners receive this as a gift of Grace; namely Christ Jesus whom God put forward as a propitiation by his precious blood and this is received by Faith Alone! It is God who is the Just and the Justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

Here, Paul makes it crystal clear, where is the boasting? Because one can only boast in their own efforts or works. But since it's through Faith Alone apart form works there is no boasting because it is given Freely; a Gift. This is why Paul states, For we hold that one is justifies by Faith apart from works of the Law. Removing any boasting by us in our own works. Understand this and you understand how marvelous is this free gift God gives freely to those who believe and receive it with empty hands.





 
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