Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?

[Keiw1]

I see reason has left the building. The Greek manuscripts are UNCIAL and there is no "capitol G" in ancient times. Modern translation is inescapably doctrinal.

Yes, it does.

I completely agree. You should try reason sometime.

The true God at John 1:1 is called Ton Theon=God-The word is called Theon= god, to show the difference. It occurs at 2 Cor 4:4 as well, the true God called Ton Theon the other called Theon=god. Translating works the same at both spots.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jehovah is the only true God-He created all things-99% THROUGH Jesus= his master worker of Prov 8:30
Angels have taken on human form. Only by Gods will now though. In the days prior to the flood Angels came down as mortal to have sex with women and made babies called-Nephlim. Those are the fallen angels known as demons now.

God as our Father the invisible head created the Son of man Jesus two thousand years ago .The sons of God called the nephilim as believer were being unevenly yoked with daughter of men un redeemed mankind. The same law not to be unevenly yoked applies today.

 

[Josheb]

The true God at John 1:1 is called Ton Theon=God-The word is called Theon= god, to show the difference. It occurs at 2 Cor 4:4 as well, the true God called Ton Theon the other called Theon=god. Translating works the same at both spots.

Yep. Jesus is God.

 

[Arial]

Mortals living forever, never sick, not knowing bad, not aging like now, never without.

That is what the tree of life would have given them. Being mortal means subject to death. He created us subject to death. He created us uncorrupted but able to be corrupted. Once they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, against the command not to---they were locked out of Eden and access to the tree of life.

What God is doing is through Christ and in Him, and through Him, creating a new man, who will still die, unless he is alive when Christ returns, but will be raised immortal and incorruptible. Jesus does this by defeating and destroying sin and death. It is a much bigger picture than the one you are seeing. God did not make mankind fall, (sin) but He intended that they would. The why's belong to the secret things of God, places we probe fruitlessly and at our own peril.

1 Cor 15:53-57 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the corruption puts on incorruption, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." "O death, where is your victory? O death where is your sting?"

1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

 

[Eleanor]

Satan always wanted to be God and will do everything he can to pretend he is Christ when he's here to deceive the world. It’s important to remember that Lucifer which is another name for Satan, had challenged the fairness and justice of God. He had started with his lies in heaven, and the very idea of telling a lie had never entered the minds of the angels. So the angels didn’t grasp all that lay behind Lucifer’s deceptions. So we see what Satan wanted from the start and what had come into his heart.
Isaiah 14:12-13
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:’

But Christ is the true morning star as we see in Revelation:
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Now the place that Lucifer wants it to be at 'the mount of the congregation' in the 'north' which is God's throne..
We find the same in Psalm 48:1-2:
Psalm 48:1-2
1 Great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.
2 Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.

If God had destroyed Satan immediately, the angels would have begun to serve Him from fear rather than from love. This would have defeated the very purpose He had in creating beings with the power of choice in the first place. God gave Satan a chance to demonstrate his system which he wanted to bring in to replace that of God. That’s why Satan was given an opportunity to show it to the worlds, and to Adam and Eve who allowed the deception here. So our world become the testing ground where Satan and his character and the nature of the kingdom he wants, are contrasted with the character of God and the nature of His kingdom. So who we choose is important and Satan will throw a curveball at us at the end.

We know that Satan can transform himself to a 'angel of light' and will show himself at the end claiming worship that belongs to God and wanting to be God. He did it in heaven and deceived a third of the angels and they followed him.
Revelation 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

And Satan will do it again at the end. But we know how it ends.

Satan serves God's purposes without even knowing it. My study of Scripture gives to to suggest

 

[Keiw1]

God as our Father the invisible head created the Son of man Jesus two thousand years ago .The sons of God called the nephilim as believer were being unevenly yoked with daughter of men un redeemed mankind. The same law not to be unevenly yoked applies today.

Unevenly yoked is speaking about ones religion. The being God sent to earth was by his side as his master worker long before the universe was created.

 

[Keiw1]

Yep. Jesus is God.

Fact-John 20:17--Jesus has a God just like us-thus your religion has to teach-God has a God if Jesus is God, that's more than 1 God. Paul was 100% clear at 1 Cor 8:6--There is one God to all=The Father. Your bibles are error filled and altered by satans will and contradict.

 

[Keiw1]

That is what the tree of life would have given them. Being mortal means subject to death. He created us subject to death. He created us uncorrupted but able to be corrupted. Once they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, against the command not to---they were locked out of Eden and access to the tree of life.

What God is doing is through Christ and in Him, and through Him, creating a new man, who will still die, unless he is alive when Christ returns, but will be raised immortal and incorruptible. Jesus does this by defeating and destroying sin and death. It is a much bigger picture than the one you are seeing. God did not make mankind fall, (sin) but He intended that they would. The why's belong to the secret things of God, places we probe fruitlessly and at our own peril.

1 Cor 15:53-57 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the corruption puts on incorruption, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory." "O death, where is your victory? O death where is your sting?"

1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Eternal life = one will never die. God created Adam and Eve like that, but they had to obey. They chose rebellion and lost it for all. Jesus' ransom sacrifice bought it back. There existed one sin, eating of the tree of knowledge of good and bad, not like today, there are many different sins today.

 

[Mr GLee]

Unevenly yoked is speaking about ones religion. The being God sent to earth was by his side as his master worker long before the universe was created.

The sons of God called the nephilim as believers. They were being unevenly yoked with daughters of men (un-redeemed mankind.) The same law not to be unevenly yoked applies today.

Who other than God the master worker said "let there be" and "it was God good"?

Is it not Christ working in us to both reveal his will and empower us to do it to his good pleasure. And not a legion of gods called angels (a fake word) Those that have no form.

I would think we give glory to one unseen Holy God . . not a legion

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him

One God the Faithful Creator.

 

[Eleanor]

Fact-John 20:17--Jesus has a God just like us-thus your religion has to teach-God has a God if Jesus is God, that's more than 1 God. Paul was 100% clear at 1 Cor 8:6--There is one God to all=The Father. Your bibles are error filled and altered by satans will and contradict.

Jesus was both God and man--two natures (divine from God and human from Mary) in one person.

God the Father was both God of the human Jesus and Father of the divine Jesus.

 

[Eleanor]

Your bibles are error filled and altered by satans will and contradict.

So how does your Bible differ in the following verses?

The NT apostles identify Jesus as the YHWH of the OT.

1) Mt 3:3 (Isa 40:3) - Isaiah prophecies a voice of one calling in the desert, "Prepare the way for YHWH," which was John the Baptist (Mk, Lk).
John prepared the way for Jesus (Mk 1:-8, Lk 3:16, Jn 1:29-34). . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 40:3.

2) Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Joel prophesies that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved," which Paul quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Joel 2:32.

3) Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Moses said, "Rejoice, O nations, with his people, and let all the angels worship him (YHWH), for he will avenge the blood of his servants (Septuagint translation), which Hebrews quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Dt 32:43.

4) Eph 4:8-9 (Ps 68:18) - The psalmist states, "When you ascended on high. . .that you, O YHWH, might dwell there," which Paul applies to the ascended Christ. . .making Christ the YHWH of Ps 68:18

5) Jn 19:37 (Zec 12:10) - Zechariah prophesies that they will look on YHWH (12:1-2), the one they have pierced, which John applies to Jesus. . . making Jesus the YHWH of Zec 12:1-2, 10.

6) Lk 4:18-21 (Isa 61:1, 8) - Isaiah's prophecy identifies YHWH of vv. 7-8 with the Messiah of v. 1, which Jesus applies to himself. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 61:1, 7-8.

7) Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - In Rev 1:12-18, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) identifies himself as the First and the Last, which is YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12.

8) In Rev 21:6, 22:12-13, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) is the Alpha and Omega who is the Lord God of Rev 1:8.

9) In Rev 20:11-13 w/ Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39, the one on the throne is Jesus, who in Rev 21:7 is God. . .making Jesus the God of Rev 21:7.

10) Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 (Ge 1:1, Isa 44:24, Jer 10:16) - Isa 44:24 says YHWH created alone, while Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 say Jesus brought all things into being, created all things including angels and by his power holds them in existence, and made the universe. . .so according to John, Paul and Hebrews, Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Ge, Isa and Jer.

 

[Josheb]

Fact

ROTFLMBO! No, it's nonsense.

-John 20:17--Jesus has a God just like us-thus your religion has to teach-God has a God if Jesus is God, that's more than 1 God. Paul was 100% clear at 1 Cor 8:6--There is one God to all=The Father. Your bibles are error filled and altered by satans will and contradict.

Nonsense.

• We are not the logos of God; Jesus is. We were not with God in the beginning. Jesus was. We are not the logos of God that was with God in the beginning who is God. Jesus is.
• My religion has nothing to do with this conversation (nice red herring, though).
• Jesus being God is heretical in Judaism (disqualifying him as messiah).
• The unity of echad precludes polytheism (nice straw man, though).
• Proof-texting is always bad exegesis.
• The Father being God and Jesus being Lord, does nothing to negate the fact the rest of scripture assigns divine attributes to Jesus. Paul was clear when that clause is read in the context of the larger passage and understood in the context of whole scripture.
• Everyone here is examining the Greek, NOT "their Bibles" as part of the case they present (nice red herring, though).

There's not a single sentence in Post 87 that is true, factual, or rational.

 

[Keiw1]

The sons of God called the nephilim as believers. They were being unevenly yoked with daughters of men (un-redeemed mankind.) The same law not to be unevenly yoked applies today.

Who other than God the master worker said "let there be" and "it was God good"?

Is it not Christ working in us to both reveal his will and empower us to do it to his good pleasure. And not a legion of gods called angels (a fake word) Those that have no form.

I would think we give glory to one unseen Holy God . . not a legion

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him

One God the Faithful Creator.

The nephlim were fallen angels children. Giants, very violent. Yes one God=YHVH(Jehovah)

 

[Keiw1]

So how does your Bible differ in the following verses?

The NT apostles identify Jesus as the YHWH of the OT.

1) Mt 3:3 (Isa 40:3) - Isaiah prophecies a voice of one calling in the desert, "Prepare the way for YHWH," which was John the Baptist (Mk, Lk).
John prepared the way for Jesus (Mk 1:-8, Lk 3:16, Jn 1:29-34). . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 40:3.

2) Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Joel prophesies that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved," which Paul quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Joel 2:32.

3) Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Moses said, "Rejoice, O nations, with his people, and let all the angels worship him (YHWH), for he will avenge the blood of his servants (Septuagint translation), which Hebrews quotes and applies to Jesus. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Dt 32:43.

4) Eph 4:8-9 (Ps 68:18) - The psalmist states, "When you ascended on high. . .that you, O YHWH, might dwell there," which Paul applies to the ascended Christ. . .making Christ the YHWH of Ps 68:18

5) Jn 19:37 (Zec 12:10) - Zechariah prophesies that they will look on YHWH (12:1-2), the one they have pierced, which John applies to Jesus. . . making Jesus the YHWH of Zec 12:1-2, 10.

6) Lk 4:18-21 (Isa 61:1, 8) - Isaiah's prophecy identifies YHWH of vv. 7-8 with the Messiah of v. 1, which Jesus applies to himself. . .
making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 61:1, 7-8.

7) Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - In Rev 1:12-18, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) identifies himself as the First and the Last, which is YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12. . .making Jesus the YHWH of Isa 44:6, 48:12.

8) In Rev 21:6, 22:12-13, Jesus (1:18, 2:8) is the Alpha and Omega who is the Lord God of Rev 1:8.

9) In Rev 20:11-13 w/ Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39, the one on the throne is Jesus, who in Rev 21:7 is God. . .making Jesus the God of Rev 21:7.

10) Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 (Ge 1:1, Isa 44:24, Jer 10:16) - Isa 44:24 says YHWH created alone, while Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10 say Jesus brought all things into being, created all things including angels and by his power holds them in existence, and made the universe. . .so according to John, Paul and Hebrews, Jesus is the Elohim Creator YHWH of Ge, Isa and Jer.

Psalm 110:1--The utterance of Jehovah, to the Lord(Jesus) sit at my right hand-quoted at Matt 22:44--All who understand English knows 100% 2 separate beings are being spoken of. One cannot sit at their own right hand-Jesus is not Jehovah.

 

[Keiw1]

ROTFLMBO! No, it's nonsense.

Nonsense.

• We are not the logos of God; Jesus is. We were not with God in the beginning. Jesus was. We are not the logos of God that was with God in the beginning who is God. Jesus is.
• My religion has nothing to do with this conversation (nice red herring, though).
• Jesus being God is heretical in Judaism (disqualifying him as messiah).
• The unity of echad precludes polytheism (nice straw man, though).
• Proof-texting is always bad exegesis.
• The Father being God and Jesus being Lord, does nothing to negate the fact the rest of scripture assigns divine attributes to Jesus. Paul was clear when that clause is read in the context of the larger passage and understood in the context of whole scripture.
• Everyone here is examining the Greek, NOT "their Bibles" as part of the case they present (nice red herring, though).

There's not a single sentence in Post 87 that is true, factual, or rational.

Why did God have to do all the powerful works through Jesus? Acts 2:22) By God doing those powerful works made Jesus divine.
You will find out post 87 is FACT.

 

[Mr GLee]

The nephlim were fallen angels children. Giants, very violent. Yes one God=YHVH(Jehovah)

If you would use your imagination a person could pretend in some giant aliens not of this world . Both the renown in the enemy camp and the camp of sons of God Christians .Nephilim are men of renown. Not some unheard of creation

 

[Keiw1]

If you would use your imagination a person could pretend in some giant aliens not of this world . Both the renown in the enemy camp and the camp of sons of God Christians .Nephilim are men of renown. Not some unheard of creation

Fallen angels came down out of heaven to have sex with women. The babies made were called-Nephlim. Its part of the reason God flooded the earth to get rid of them. Fallen angels weren't allowed to do that anymore after the flood.

 

[makesends]

Personally, I suspect the doctrine of the Trinity, while true, is also so woefully incomplete that we'll be embarrassed, and the one/unity of God is infinitely greater than we currently fathom. Oneness and modalist folks will probably cry.

Amen THAT!

 

[Mr GLee]

Fallen angels came down out of heaven to have sex with women. The babies made were called-Nephlim. Its part of the reason God flooded the earth to get rid of them. Fallen angels weren't allowed to do that anymore after the flood.

I heard that before but if a person would study the use of the word nephilim (men of renown) Then that idea of a mystery creation loses it wings .

Again the context. . . born again sons of God were mingling with daughters of men (unbelievers ) they were still there after the flood just as today same loving commandment do not be unevenly yoked

The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

nephilim = renown. . . used 11 times in respect to men that were used mightyfully for God or for evil . Like David a man of renown or giant of faith, Christ working in mankind . . or Goliath a renown of the enemy Little David defeating the enemies renown.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Isaiah 14:20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Ezekiel 16:14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

 

[Keiw1]

I heard that before but if a person would study the use of the word nephilim (men of renown) Then that idea of a mystery creation loses it wings .

Again the context. . . born again sons of God were mingling with daughters of men (unbelievers ) they were still there after the flood just as today same loving commandment do not be unevenly yoked

The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

nephilim = renown. . . used 11 times in respect to men that were used mightyfully for God or for evil . Like David a man of renown or giant of faith, Christ working in mankind . . or Goliath a renown of the enemy Little David defeating the enemies renown.

Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.

Numbers 16:2And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Isaiah 14:20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Ezekiel 16:14And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.

Of course they were renown, giants very violent-They scared the life out of people.