The Rapture or the Second Coming

[Arial]

One thing we know is that those verses don't refer to the coming of Jesus on the white horse.
The reason why has been pointed out to you dozens of times.

You need to stop grazing around the edges.

It isn't about someone grazing around the edges. The problem is that you think everything has to be addressed to validate any post that only addresses the particular issue that you are presenting. And when any specific thing is presented to the specific thing that you posted, instead of dealing with that (and in this case what was said about the Acts and Thess passages that you say are about a pre-trib rapture of the saints from the earth) you simple ignore it all together and with a deflective jump you evidently think is invisible, divert to another set or Scriptures.

So, deal with the first----what was said in post #155---and either refute/challenge it with scriptural support, not suppositional support and declarations. Or, if you find that it is not possible to refute/challenge what was said, be a man, and acknowledge it. I would ask you to do that before I address the specific deflection of this response to post 155, but I know you won't ever do that. My answering the accusation is not for your sake, it is for the sake of rightly handling the word of God.
Here is the passage:
Rev 19:11-16
Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is the Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the wine press of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (Side note: here we see he is already King of kings, and Lord of lords.)

That, and what is depicted in the following verses 17-21, is the final judgement. Not some seven year period of tribulation.

And note carefully what it says. "Then I saw heaven opened." This is not a return of Jesus at all but heaven opened for us to see through images what Jesus is doing in the unseen, spiritual realm. The heavenly perspective of what we see taking place on earth. There is no way to graphically portray it in all its meaning, other than through images---images embedded in the OT, so that the original recipients would understand the full impact and get comfort from it. They, unlike you and all generations removed from this aspect of Hebrew cultural norms of expressing things, were not unfamiliar with symbolic apocalyptic writing. They would know what it meant that in a vision, John saw heaven opened. He was seeing into an invisible to us, realm. He was being shown what Christ was doing in spite of what the situation looked like from our perspective. He is crushing the serpents head, and no matter how bad things are in our world, his victory and their preservation are secure. They would understand what all the images in the vision were representing, because they were intensely familiar with the OT. They would know for example that a horse being white represents righteousness or judgment. A harbinger of conquest.

It is Jesus and the armies of heaven who are doing battle in those passages, and they are doing it from heaven. What we see on the earth is the result of what takes place in heaven. And though the final judgement is expressed in these passages, giving them and us the secure knowledge of the ending, gives all generations in any and all situations the same comfort. No matter what we must endure, we are safe. God will always carry us through to the other side, whether it be 10,000 days before he returns or one minute before he returns.

 

[CrowCross]

And note carefully what it says. "Then I saw heaven opened." This is not a return of Jesus

Verse 14 tells us the armies "follow Him on white horses".....are they in heaven running around a track?
Verse 15 then mentions striking down the nations...Obviously Jesus left heaven.

The prophecy in Zech 14 tells us hat happens next.

Connect the dots Arial.

 

[Arial]

Verse 14 tells us the armies "follow Him on white horses".....are they in heaven running around a track?
Verse 15 then mentions striking down the nations...Obviously Jesus left heaven.

The prophecy in Zech 14 tells us hat happens next.

Connect the dots Arial.

Instead of being so flippant, why don't you try reading my post, @Josheb's posts, @Hazelelponi 's posts @John Bauer 's posts, @Eleanor's posts and any other Covenant theology poster posting in this thread, for understanding and comprehension. Your responses show that you are absorbing none of it. And even more disturbing, that you absolutely do not want to. You resort to flippancy and foolishness.

That would fall under the heading of lazy complacency and no interest in what is true. Only in thinking that you are the holder of truth and anything else is not worth looking at to see if there is anything possible to it.

But I am done with you. There is no hope left in me that you will ever deal with what I, or anyone else, says. You will never bother to do the work of refuting it, which it should be very easy to do if anything you say is true. Note---we have no trouble dealing with your actual words and presenting a cogent, scripture based rebuttal, with exegesis, correct biblical hermeneutics, exposition, letting scripture interpret Scripture. Letting the Bible do the work. You don't do it because it is not possible to do so and prove something that isn't true according to the Bible. We all know that.