Since you don't preach repenting of all dead works, then you wouldn't know.If they repented from all dead works, have they reached their perfection yet?
Disciples are those with a whole new heart and clean life of Christ, once repenting of all our dead works.So discipleship is an ongoing work of the Lord in us after salvation.
Repenting of outward sinning begins with repenting of lusting first.Those that are aware of the immediate deliverance of habitual sins, may find other sins that His words will reprove them of for doing, like lusting after a married woman even though you are not committing adultery with her, BUT that is already committing adultery in your heart in according to His words. See?
The people of God in the OT didn't have remission of all past sins, but only covered by blood of animals, until the time of reformation in Christ Jesus.Then explain the difference in how the Jews received their remission of sins and the Gentiles.
First we start with Bible proof of one or two verses, then we go on with the truth to rightly divide all other verses:Then apply John 1:12-13 to what you are preaching about needing to repent from all sins in order to be saved.
Correct. We must repent first to be cleansed within and without by the Spirit, to begin running the holy race in living the life of God's holiness.We have to be born again of the Spirit with Jesus Christ in us to even begin running that race in living a life of repentance daily
No one while sinning in darkness is walking in the true light of God.in walking in the light with the Father & the Son.
Pharisee surface religion separates our souls from the works we do. The works don't judge the soul, and so the works are not from the heart.Salvation is separate from discipleship and sinners need to know that whatever sins has dominion over their lives; they can hope in Jesus to deliver them from their sins and not just for eternal life by believing in Him..
Pharisee surface religion separates our souls from the works we do. The works don't judge the soul, and so the works are not from the heart.
They're the fruit-shows to please men only, not to be judged and justified by God.
First we start with Bible proof of one or two verses, then we go on with the truth to rightly divide all other verses:
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
In God's gospel we see how repenting always precedes salvation, conversion, and faith toward God.
Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
In God's commandment to repent, it's of all our sins and trespasses.
For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Since salvation is now at once, and not gradual, then so is repentance of all sinning commanded now and not gradually.
Now that we have established the simple truth of the Bible, we look at John 1:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Only those that do obey and repent of all our transgressions receive Christ and are newborn of God.
it's not the will of sinful man to repent of his own sinning, but only the will of God that man must obey to do so, and receive His Son unto life.
We cannot repent of sins for our own reason, nor will God to live in us by our own power.
Correct. We must repent first to be cleansed within and without by the Spirit, to begin running the holy race in living the life of God's holiness.
That life is of keeping repentance, not of sinning and repenting daily. Sinning and repenting daily is called double heartedness, that is delivered from by repenting of lusting once for all.
No one while sinning in darkness is walking in the true light of God.
First we start with Bible proof of one or two verses, then we go on with the truth to rightly divide all other verses:
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
In God's gospel we see how repenting always precedes salvation, conversion, and faith toward God.
Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
In God's commandment to repent, it's of all our sins and trespasses.
For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.
Since salvation is now at once, and not gradual, then so is repentance of all sinning commanded now and not gradually.
Now that we have established the simple truth of the Bible, we look at John 1:
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Only those that do obey and repent of all our transgressions receive Christ and are newborn of God.
it's not the will of sinful man to repent of his own sinning, but only the will of God that man must obey to do so, and receive His Son unto life.
We cannot repent of sins for our own reason, nor will God to live in us by our own power.
Correct. We must repent first to be cleansed within and without by the Spirit, to begin running the holy race in living the life of God's holiness.
That life is of keeping repentance, not of sinning and repenting daily. Sinning and repenting daily is called double heartedness, that is delivered from by repenting of lusting once for all.
No one while sinning in darkness is walking in the true light of God.
Repentance is unto salvation.The verses you used are for discipleship.
They do not testify that by doing those things will earn you salvation but by going unto perfection.
That's because God is.Here is your reference again;
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Then you said this:
"Having our minds changed about sin and God by hearing the word, is being a hearer only. Repenting with the heart from sinning against God, is doing the word."
To wit now I see why you are using that reference and therefore misapplying what that verse is to mean.
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
You are seeing dead works as sins.
Paul is an apostle of Jesus Christ sent to all men. He writes to all Christians that believe.Paul is writing to the Hebrew as in Jews that believe in Jesus Christ.
Dead works are unrighteous works of the flesh, as well as all good works seeking to be justified by them, while also walking after the flesh.The dead works for obtaining righteousness by the law is dead.
For Christians, it's trying to earn salvation by keeping the laws of Christ.For Jews... repenting from trying to earn salvation by keeping the laws of Moses by believing in Jesus Christ.
Ok, since you honored me by at least responding directly to my point.Now let us talk about unrepented sins....
True. That would be dead works of the flesh unrepented of.as the thorns and briers they would be.
Not in them that repent not first.The earth as in the believer has eternal life in them
They don't begin at all.but if they do not move on to perfection
Repented saints and sons of God do not 'relate' to Jesus daily.but just live their lives and forget about relating to Jesus on a daily basis
You don't preach Jesus Christ not to go astray. You preach not going astray so often., then the storms of their lives may overcome them as they sow to the flesh in reaping corruption rather than trusting Jesus not to let them go astray.
No man is lost astray in darkness and saved in the light.So are they not saved?
No. We are either saved walking in the light, or we are lost walking in darkness.Are they losing salvation?
That's the matter for all sinners and trespassers of the world. Unless we repent, the only help of grace of God, is conviction by His Spirit to obey His commandment to repent.It is a matter of going to Jesus Christ for help to discern and to depart from iniquities
Purges away errors in ministry, not unrepented sinning. Repentance unto salvation is now before the grave or His appearing a second time.Because Jesus is coming to judge His House first if you want to know what that fire does in that day at the pre great tribulation rapture event.
Right. Purgatory stuff. We are healed by His stripes, not saved by our own.Believers living in sin that do not want to be left behind & get stripes from the father for not being ready,
Should, but not necessary, not as by any commandment of something.should go to Jesus now to deliver them from their sins to walk in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son
Moving unto perfection of endurance, only begins with a perfect heart toward God.in running that race in moving unto perfection.
So, you confirm your gradual repentance theology is not by the grace of God, but only according to your own will and good time.This is why salvation is by the grace of God and not by our repenting from all sins
Sure. If anyone who believes they are saved, because they believe it, then anyone who wants to believe it, are thus saved.since those left behind at the rapture are still saved,
It's to the profit of all men to obey God and repent of all our sins and transgressions, otherwise, no man enters the race for eternal life, much less receives the prize, that is only given at the end to them that run lawfully and well.but it is to the profit of all believers to run that race to avoid that scourging for not resisting sin by not looking to Jesus Christ for help to do that.
Nowhere in the Bible does God ever say repenting is of 'unbelief' nor of 'the mind' nor of 'thoughts'. The only repentance God speaks of in the Bible is of works and deeds.Hi thanks I see that a little differently.
Unrepented dead sinners don't do the first works of Jesus, until first repenting of their sinning.I would offer. No where in the bible does it say dead men must do the first works to decide their own eternal destiny.
And repentance by grace leads to salvation, 2 Cor 7. I have never said otherwise.The grace of God leads us to repentance, Rom 2. I have never said otherwise.
Jesus creates lots of enemies still, when His commandment to repent unto salvation is preached.If you are here to ''create enemies" that is the flesh and you should leave.
The fact is, you simply don't understand the term this thread is about.
If we sin, then we can repent and be forgiven and reconciled to God.How are you doing on Peter? Have you condemned him? Why not?
No.Because she didn't want to repent of her sinning.
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.Nowhere in the Bible does God ever say repenting is of 'unbelief' nor of 'the mind' nor of 'thoughts'.
In discipleship in running that race.... yes.. but not for obtaining salvation unless you deny Him as your Saviour when you are already saved by Him for simply believing in Him, even in His name.The only repentance God speaks of in the Bible is of works and deeds.
True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.This is a very important point: Luther once said, you can't keep the starlings from circling your head, but you can keep them from landing.
EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.Ghada is condemning anyone who has them circling over their head,
Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.which is just ordinary human experience.
Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.Because Ghada is the only expert on perfect righteousness.
The your stuff is just going round and round for the 4th or 5th time.Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Once saved with Jesus Christ in them, then they are to be discipled in knowing His words to look TO Him in living that daily life of repentance.
Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Running that race for the high prize of our calling to be crowned as that vessel unto honor in His House is what discipleship is all about, because those saved believers not found abiding in him, will be disqualified at the pre great tribulation rapture event & left behind to die, but to be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth to serve the King of kings on earth.
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.This is the gospel below and note there is no mention for the sinner to turn from their sins FIRST but to believe in Him for eternal life.
JESUS' Righteousness - Yours BY FAITH in Jesus SIN OFFERING.What is : Imputed Righteousness
And repentance by grace leads to salvation, 2 Cor 7. I have never said otherwise.
Jesus creates lots of enemies still, when His commandment to repent unto salvation is preached.
If your conscience is so offended, then don't come to me.
Argued it ad nauseum.
If we sin, then we can repent and be forgiven and reconciled to God.
No prophet nor apostle is excused. Peter knew that.
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: