What is : Imputed Righteousness

[EarlyActs]

And repentance by grace leads to salvation, 2 Cor 7. I have never said otherwise.


Jesus creates lots of enemies still, when His commandment to repent unto salvation is preached.

If your conscience is so offended, then don't come to me.





Argued it ad nauseum.

If we sin, then we can repent and be forgiven and reconciled to God.

No prophet nor apostle is excused. Peter knew that.

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

"leads"
You need to be precise about what leads means. Do you understand we cannot put God in debt to us, Rom 11 (song at the end)? Our repentance does not earn justification, but it must be there, like the other things. It should not be expressed any other way, because of the cause and effect already established.

And as I have been saying, salvation is two aspects that matter here. Justification from sin-debt (only in the sense of debt) and transformation from doing it. There is no perfection of transformation, Phil 3.

 

[EarlyActs]

And repentance by grace leads to salvation, 2 Cor 7. I have never said otherwise.


Jesus creates lots of enemies still, when His commandment to repent unto salvation is preached.

If your conscience is so offended, then don't come to me.





Argued it ad nauseum.

If we sin, then we can repent and be forgiven and reconciled to God.

No prophet nor apostle is excused. Peter knew that.

And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

"enemies"
We are not enemies on the command to repentance; we are enemies on cause and effect. God justifies first and that compels us or wins us to many good works, as Gal 5 says, 'about the fruit of the Spirit, you cannot make a law.'

You should either explain your condemnation of Peter or leave. What you have said has condemned him as a lesser god believer, as fake faith. You are full of condemnation; seems to be your identity. As you may know, the old covenant was the 'ministry of condemnation.'

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

yet without sinning
Not according to the NT like Hebrews famous verse. Only the Son was without sin. Humans may fail.

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

expert on imperfect unrighteousness.
???

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

unrepented sinful Christians
Do you have an exact example? Most believers do not even know the distinct meaning of justification. They think a life change is justification. So we are not really comparing the same, which is important.

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works,
I'm sorry you can't seem to understand this is not the point of difference. I do the same thing, but you out there on the internet know me better than I myself, so you have already decided that I don't! The point of difference is that the gift of justification inspires me to repent, and that repentance is admittedly not perfect.

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

shall the blood of Christ, who
Can you see it? My repentance does not purge my conscience (first), the gift of Christ does. I'm not hearing you mention that, so I mention it.

 

[EarlyActs]

True. even as Abram chased away all fowls from his sacrifice to God.


EarlyActs is moving on to changing the teaching of others over meeting their arguments head on.


Ordinary human experience is sinning by temptation. The sons of God experience is being tempted like the Son, yet without sinning.


Thank you. But there are others that have corrected me.

EarlyActs is definitely not the only expert on imperfect unrighteousness.

I do understand why unrepented sinful Christians get personally offended, when their justifying doctrine is challenged. It's because their conscience trusts entirely in the very power of their doctrine alone, to justify and raise them from the dead unto life. And so any challenge to their doctrine is taken as a direct assault upon the conscience and soul

My conscience depends only my words and deeds, not on the doctrine I preach. If my doctrine is fairly challenged and successfully corrected by another, which it is at times, then it is more perfected, and I thank them for it.

But my conscience is still only kept clean by repenting of dead works, and only pleasing God. And that is only by the good fight of casting down every fowl bird and starling and tempting thought to the feet of Jesus. That how we sons of God keep our hearts clean from lusting with the world. Exactly the same way the Son did in the flesh.

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
We know that whosoever is born of God is not sinning; but he that is begotten of God is keeping himself, and that wicked one is touching him not.

I mean, why does anyone argue with this teaching of the Bible? Could it possibly be, because they still refuse to repent of all their transgressions already, and quit playing the religion game of 'progressive' sanctification in one's own good time and will?

'progressive' sanctification
This is ridiculous. On the one hand, there is the business of proven character, in Rom 5. It takes time; see the text. We will clearly not have perfection at any time on earth. 2nd, Rom 5 is not religion. 3rd, it is at the pace that God convicts, not Ghada's unless you are god and we are all quite mistaken.

 

[EarlyActs]

JESUS' Righteousness - Yours BY FAITH in Jesus SIN OFFERING.

Bob, what is imputation compared to other things/kinds?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Bob, what is imputation compared to other things/kinds?

You'll have to be more specific, since I have NO IDEA what you're asking.

 

[EarlyActs]

You'll have to be more specific, since I have NO IDEA what you're asking.

Then why are you here? See the title of the thread.

 

[Red Baker]

Thanks. Living godly is not only better than sinfully in this life, but also in the next.

I never said otherwise, why even insinuate that I have? That's being deceitful in posting.

For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.

No problem from me since I believe and teach the same. You are using a Red herring fallacy ~or, you just are not capable of debating properly.

If you want to remain with your old lusting heart and sinning, then that's your right and choice. Enjoy it to the end as much as you can.

So, that your assumption of my true desires based upon what I said about your false positions of how you boasted:

Have a nice life it seems that you believe you are all set~for you said: "Yes I am. I'm walking with Jesus with a pure heart, and sinning not."

So, I stop talking to you and told you to have a nice life, knowing there was no use to speaking with a person like you, who believes he does not sin.

And then you come back with:

If you want to remain with your old lusting heart and sinning, then that's your right and choice. Enjoy it to the end as much as you can.

Sir, learn how to an honest person when discoursing with others over bible doctrines, and try not to be so dishonest~it should be easy for you since you boasted of not sinning ~but pretty sure you are living under a very strong delusion.

 

[EarlyActs]

It would be good if you explained what Christ meant in Mt 3:16 by saying that he would get baptized by John “to fulfill all righteousness.”

 

[Ghada]

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

This is meaningless. Please rewrite it.

Ok, God's transformation and pure religion of Christ, is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, which is always going on to sin some more.

I don't mind clarifying. Thanks.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

It would be good if you explained what Christ meant in Mt 3:16 by saying that he would get baptized by John “to fulfill all righteousness.”

Simple:

John's baptism was a baptism of REPENTANCE.

Jesus REPENTED of HIS present way of life (assumedly, as a carpenter, and head of Mary's family in Joseph's absence), and Changed direction to become an itinerant teacher of the Gospel, leading to HIS DEATH on the cross as our SIN OFFERING.

"Repentance" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN. it just means to stop what you're doing, and then do something different.

 

[Ghada]

at all times to sin not.
We may still sin, Romans 7. But the new heart will not want to sin.

Now this is true.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Maybe I need to go back and see why I thought you were preaching all Christians will still sin.

But if not, then I accept your good teaching of the Bible gospel.

The good news of Jesus Christ is that we certainly can go and sin no more, but if we do sin, then we can still come to the Advocate in godly sorrow, to be forgiven and reconciled to our Father.

Grow up and realize that there is not perfection in this life.

Growing up in Christ is unto perfection.

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Growing up and 'facing facts' (if this is what you mean), to the certainty of still sinning with the devil, is the opposite of what you just seemed to teach.

The perfection of God in heaven is no more even being tempted to sin. That is not until being resurrected like Jesus unto life.

The perfectness of growing in Christ Jesus, is to learn how to continue obeying the Father in all things, through thick and thin. Even as our example the Son did on earth:

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[Ghada]

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before
It certainly is.

Certainly is not. Your gospel is, not mine.

It looks like you don't believe that we can go and sin no more, but still may sin.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be preaching going and only sinning less, which is to always be sinning some.

 

[EarlyActs]

Simple:

John's baptism was a baptism of REPENTANCE.

Jesus REPENTED of HIS present way of life (assumedly, as a carpenter, and head of Mary's family in Joseph's absence), and Changed direction to become an itinerant teacher of the Gospel, leading to HIS DEATH on the cross as our SIN OFFERING.

"Repentance" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with SIN. it just means to stop what you're doing, and then do something different.

Christ needed to be a perfect life of righteousness for us. As mentioned Romans 3, 5 , and 8. God must have a basis for justifying us; that is the basis.

 

[EarlyActs]

Now this is true.

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Maybe I need to go back and see why I thought you were preaching all Christians will still sin.

But if not, then I accept your good teaching of the Bible gospel.

The good news of Jesus Christ is that we certainly can go and sin no more, but if we do sin, then we can still come to the Advocate in godly sorrow, to be forgiven and reconciled to our Father.




Growing up in Christ is unto perfection.

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Growing up and 'facing facts' (if this is what you mean), to the certainty of still sinning with the devil, is the opposite of what you just seemed to teach.

The perfection of God in heaven is no more even being tempted to sin. That is not until being resurrected like Jesus unto life.

The perfectness of growing in Christ Jesus, is to learn how to continue obeying the Father in all things, through thick and thin. Even as our example the Son did on earth:

Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

the good news of Christ is...
Yes that is some good news on that level, but surely you must know that the infinite righteousness of Christ is credited to us in the Gospel, Rom 3. It is not something we do, nor can be done within our lives, even though it affects our lives. For the simple reason that Christ did it (to bring in everlasting righteousness, as Dan 9 says). How could a thing done in our lives compare to the actual atonement accomplished by Christ? How can one swallow of fresh water inside us compare with the millions of gallons in the world?

"The gospel of the changed life is not the Gospel which changes lives." --Paxton, Australian Forum

We should not confuse cause and effect.

 

[EarlyActs]

Certainly is not. Your gospel is, not mine.

It looks like you don't believe that we can go and sin no more, but still may sin.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be preaching going and only sinning less, which is to always be sinning some.