What is : Imputed Righteousness

[EarlyActs]

And I thank God for it. I've been in Romans 7, but never 'embraced' it for life. You are literally speaking of embracing the wretchedness of double heartedness, as a 'beautiful' contradiction of life.

Sounds like the liberal Christian version of 'embracing' our differences with God, and be happy homosexuals.

You are literally saying that your life is a contradiction to the word of God, and you 'embrace' it, rather than just repent and do what you now know to do by hearing the word of God.

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Romans 7 is to be repented of and delivered from to go on to Romans 8. Romans 7 is not God's 'wink' at being doubleminded with Him. It's not a recipe for embracing the hypocritical contradiction of life, that pleases not God.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained...



True. It's called man's religion of trying to sin less than before, but never doing the righteousness of God, and being righteous as He is righteous.

The religion of now knowing to do good in the mind, but not doing it from the heart, is the wretchedness of Romans 7. (Unless of course one learns to 'embrace' it as a happy and gay contradiction of life)

It's promoted only by those that know we ought to repent first, but do not. They choose an alternative gospel of going straight to faith to be saved, bypassing the Bible gospel of repenting of dead works first.

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

re Rom 7
I've been to the end of Rom 7 yes. Every believer should. That does not mean it ends. Not in the mortal body, as he says.

btw, you don't "go on" to Rom 8; Rom 8 revisits 3, which is justification in Christ, and applies that again to the tragedy of Rom 7, using much of the same language.

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[EarlyActs]

When defined by unrepented sinners to justify themselves, it's against the logic of God and man, and is the scandal of hypocritical religion, that both God and man clearly sees and knows of.

The definition of being imputed to have something, without doing it, is called vain imagination in the Bible, and delusional by man.

It's like claiming the imputed skill of fishing, and yet can't hit the water with a fishing line from a pier.

Or the imputed professionalism of golf, and can't hit the ball into the air for more than 10 feet.

As they say, "He's a legend in his own mind."



Doing right is not 'accomplished', it's done. We don't 'accomplish' telling the truth, we do it.

What you mean by 'accomplishing', is what God calls doing the truth always.

What you are talking about is doing the truth sometimes, but do not 'accomplish' doing the truth all the time.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.


If you say so. The righteousness of God is not what you do nor experience doing. However it is what His righteous saints and sons do all the time.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that doeth righteousness at all times.

You are simply speaking as an unrepented sinner with your own Christian religion, and not as a repented saint in Christ Jesus.

This is why you openly proclaim your continued differences with the God of the Bible, and teach a different doctrine than Christ. Indeed to you oppose His doctrine in order to teach your own.



Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

to do righteousness is righteous
Of course; there is no violating the ordinary sense when talking about personal growth.

But justification is a different affair. It deals with the past, and that will be needed until the day we die.

Justification is a declaration of forgiveness to a sinner, like Lk 7's Jesus declaring that a harlot's sins were forgiven in him. It was about her past. There is no allowance for her to continue; just the opposite. She can't continue in them and honor him! There is cause and effect involved. But there is no putting God in debt to us by our goodness or change.

 

[Ghada]

re scandal
The thing is that it is called a scandal: it is the rock that causes men to stumble or rock of offense.

The rock Jesus Christ is only an offense and a scandal to them that repent not of sinning.

They are offended by any commandment from God to completely change their life for another. Just sinning less isn't justified by God.

The offence of the Rock to the righteous, is not justifying unrepented sinners by faith alone. That is the offense of the ungodly to God, that want to believe they are justified of God while sinning.

Rom 4 adds: "God...who calls things that are not as though they were." This is extremely important because of Rom 9's "Israel pursued the righteousness of God as though it were by works (against reality) and not by faith."

Such as these, who are scandalized by any commandment to repent of all their transgressions, and not just some:

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

They are scandalized by Christ's condemnation of only sinning less than before. The unrepented religious sinners are offended, that God does not accept their 'level' of righteousness and moral standard of doing more good than evil, but never ceasing from sinning altogether.

I.e. Christians naming the name of Christ and repent not, nor depart from all iniquity, is an offense to God the Father, whose Son gave all His life and blood unto death.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

 

[Ghada]

There are two aspects of salvation that matter here:
1, justification: God's act for us in Christ to clear our past debt

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.

2, transformation: God's work in us through the Spirit about ongoing sin

Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.

The term imputed is very powerfully used in Western literature since Shakespeare, always against obvious fact.

I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

 

[EarlyActs]

The rock Jesus Christ is only an offense and a scandal to them that repent not of sinning.

They are offended by any commandment from God to completely change their life for another. Just sinning less isn't justified by God.

The offence of the Rock to the righteous, is not justifying unrepented sinners by faith alone. That is the offense of the ungodly to God, that want to believe they are justified of God while sinning.


Such as these, who are scandalized by any commandment to repent of all their transgressions, and not just some:

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

They are scandalized by Christ's condemnation of only sinning less than before. The unrepented religious sinners are offended, that God does not accept their 'level' of righteousness and moral standard of doing more good than evil, but never ceasing from sinning altogether.

I.e. Christians naming the name of Christ and repent not, nor depart from all iniquity, is an offense to God the Father, whose Son gave all His life and blood unto death.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Please answer only one topic per post, thx.

Re justification
God graciously justifies the ungodly, Rom 5. That is what is so compelling about his love and causes them to please him in all things.

Rom 5 tells us that human nature is to favor and help good people. God however justices the awful who believe on his answer. That is the scandal I’m referring to, and we don’t totally disagree.

 

[EarlyActs]

The rock Jesus Christ is only an offense and a scandal to them that repent not of sinning.

They are offended by any commandment from God to completely change their life for another. Just sinning less isn't justified by God.

The offence of the Rock to the righteous, is not justifying unrepented sinners by faith alone. That is the offense of the ungodly to God, that want to believe they are justified of God while sinning.


Such as these, who are scandalized by any commandment to repent of all their transgressions, and not just some:

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

They are scandalized by Christ's condemnation of only sinning less than before. The unrepented religious sinners are offended, that God does not accept their 'level' of righteousness and moral standard of doing more good than evil, but never ceasing from sinning altogether.

I.e. Christians naming the name of Christ and repent not, nor depart from all iniquity, is an offense to God the Father, whose Son gave all His life and blood unto death.

Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

If you knew Roman’s better you would know that Gods grace leads us to repent. But the grace is not that leading; the grace is the sacrifice of Christ for the sinful.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

vocab:
words mean things. I may be unemployed but have a great term life policy at the same time. Two different terms are used for each case. Your monthly budget is destitute but your long term is great.

The same with imputation. It does not have to do with your next temptation. It deals with past sin-debt. It cannot be used about current sin or failings; it would be meaningless.

It does not matter who uses them; they have specific meanings. When Capt. Bill Cody hired an orphan, he learned that he had been imputed (blamed for) a conflict at the orphanage and that is why the housemother wanted to get rid of him. the blame was completely against the facts. In the positive sense, Christ's righteousness is imputed to sinful believers who cry 'God be merciful to me, a sinner.'

In Col 2, Judaizers dis-credited believers in Christ and said they only had half the goods. The same word ('logizo') was used with a negative prefix. They said those believers needed to practice torah.

If you are not going to be meticulous with words, get out of the interp business.

btw, in your Acts 2 quote, another form of imputation is mentioned: 'so that your sins can be blotted out' (wiped away). That is bookkeeping, and dealing with past sin-debt. Naturally, it motivates a person to the right acts next time around.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

re Rock of offense, stone of stumbling
You are wrong: it is also a title of Christ. Ps 118, Acts 4, I Peter 2, etc.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

re offended
Yes people will be offended to have to change, but that does not mean you know what the rock of offense means. It means you found one usage.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

such as you do here
Please try to be clear instead of a muddle. What do I do here? The fantasy accusation you are making about trying to sin further? Nonsense.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

This is meaningless. Please rewrite it.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before
It certainly is. You either know nothing or can't express it.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.
this is worthless. It is also a contradiction. PLease get someone to read what you are writing before you post it.

 

[EarlyActs]

Here is a good Pauline example of imputation from 2 Tim. "At my last defense, everyone deserted me. May it not be charged to them." That means he does not want their past to be stuck on their record, a very kind thing to say. But of course, they need to see their need for Christ's imputed righteousness themselves.

But obviously being charged is a very different thing than the next sin we might be faced with.

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

On

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

On repentance for past sin:
Of course, but that is not justification. It is by definition only something God can do.

Let me illustrate more graphically: you're a kid and are before a judge and you took $400 worth of merchandise from a store, and you are in tears (you are terrified) and repentant and really sorry. There is just one problem. You didn't return the $400 and neither did anyone step in and do so for you.

The gift of justification is not your tears, sorry, repentance, and God expects that but does not justify you for that. He cannot, because the store is short. He justifies you if the $400 is paid back, and since you can't (no job, no skills), someone else must do so. That amount, paid by someone else, is then credited to you.

Rom 3: "so that God is now just (preserves justice) and the justifier (is a merciful person) of the one who believes on Jesus."

It is interesting to compare what you are doing with another friend (another site) who insisted that God did not need payment. You are sort of a twin of that, but trying to make the repentance in itself a payment misses the point. And in reality, our "debt" is much higher than $400!

 

[EarlyActs]

Which is only by repentance from all past sins and trespasses. Jesus has not paid for any present sinning, nor is it forgiven.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Once again, the offense of the Rock and the cross, is God's commandment to repent of all sins and transgressions, not just some.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Those believing they can continue sinning are offended at the commandment of Jesus to go and sin no more.



Such as you do here.

God's transformation and pure religion of Christ is not a humanist religion of 'progressively' sinning less, but always still going on to sin some more.

God's translation, sanctification, and circumcision of the Spirit, is quick and sharp and all at once. Which, of course, is only for them that repent of all their sinning at once.

Growth and discipleship in Christ Jesus, is not learning to sin less than before, but is learning how to continue obeying God despite all temptation, persecution, and tribulations of this life.

Growing in grace is not learning how to sin less times, but is learning how grace is help overcome temptation and sin not.



I don't care what Shakespeare or anyone else thinks about imputed, but only what God says about it in His word.

When we believe God from the heart to do His will, then is His righteousness imputed to the heart.

When be do His will from the heart, then is His righteousness done and justified by Him.

No one doing unrighteousness is imputed His righteousness nor justified by Him.

And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and is doing the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

No matter how much effort and toil and words any one uses to justify themselves by their own faith alone, no one while doing such things is justified with God nor shall inherit His kingdom.

Here is another aspect of impute which is apart from financial or debt, and can help us see it, because the term can also mean 'to regard (someone a certain way)'. "God calls the things that are not as though they were, and gives life to the dead." --Rom 4.

There is a movie called THE PROPOSITION in which the person needed the status of being engaged to keep her job and make a career break. The problem was she was Canadian and just learned that to keep her US job, she needed US status--or to be matrimonially inline to do so. So her US male assistant worked out a plot with her to make a trip to Alaska and write up the interview together as though engaged. She was regarded as US when represented by the US partner.

The believer does not have and cannot have the status God requires for acceptance because it is the standard of Christ himself, who fulfilled all righteousness, Mt 3. But the believer can access that by faith in Christ.

A similar thing happens in the Dickens novel LITTLE DORRIT. When little Amy Dorrit discovers that her brother has been freed from the debtor prison anonymously, she tells her friend William that if she 'knew who had done it, she would go to them immediately and hug them and kiss them and be so thankful to them.' Amy does not realize yet that it was William who paid it off.

The sinful woman of Luke 7 loved much because she had been forgiven much. It is best--we will love more--if we all , consider or regard our sin-debt to be even greater than our known sin. That is Jesus' point to those in Judaism. We will not just repent, we will be redefined. At least that is what Rom 6 says about the person who values justification.

 

[Ghada]

Not everything we have is done by us. Ever heard of 'third party providers'? Christ is that, a mediator between God and Man.

I guess you could call this a correction without acknowledgement.

The righteousness of God is actually quite different and is not something we do or experience,

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

At least now you don't say doing the righteousness of God is not what we do.

The only thing not done by us through grace, is to forgiven our past sins repented of. What we do with the NT pure heart given us now do His righteousness at all times to sin not.

He provided a righteousness for justification (not for sanctification) that man needed but could not provide or produce, the infinite and perfect righteousness of God Rom 3:21.

Now we have justification and righteousness separated from sanctification from unrighteousness. Justified and righteous while not sanctified from doing unrighteousness.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is a two part truth: God's people do His righteousness, and they are the righteous by doing it.

You appear to draw back from saying we don't do God's righteousness. Now maybe you can draw back from saying we are righteous with doing it.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

If we're not sanctified from doing unrighteousness, neither are we righteous nor justified while still doing unrighteousness.

Nor will we inherit the kingdom of God in the end:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Ghada]

There is an objective (outside of us, in Christ) righteousness that is needed for justification (Rom 1, 3-5, 8).

Jesus' righteousness is only outside the unrepented sinners still doing unrighteousness.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

There is also an inner change because of this gift.

Which is why we do His righteousness, once repented and forgiven of all past sins and trespasses.

Only surface religion is 'inwardly' righteous, while outwardly unrighteous in words and deeds. Any religion separated from how we live is skin deep only.

The debt of a person's sin cannot be overcome by something that would happen within them.

If you mean a person's sinning is not overcome by receiving Christ and His righteousness within, then you are teaching skin deep religion rather than the pure religion of Jesus Christ.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Our debt of death for past sinning is forgiven and washed clean, when we repent of it for Jesus' sake.

Our debt to Jesus is now to do only His will and please the Father as He did.

There is no inward faith of Jesus nor circumcision of Christ given to any unrepented transgressor.

Christ did not actually sin; and in the gift of justification, we do not actually become perfect in righteousness for our court case in heaven. Both were imputed.

I.e. counted as righteous within only, while still doing unrighteousness. Inheriting the kingdom of God with inward righteousness only, while still doing such things that shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Surface religion sounds and feels good to the unrepented, but God will still judge us all by our works in the end, and not by how 'doctrinally' righteous we say we are within.

Skin deep religion separates the heart and soul from our deeds, so that our works do not judge our soul. It's only skin deep, because it's not from the heart, so as to distance our souls from our deeds.

The religion of still doing bad things, but now with a good heart...ends in the grave.

You could compare the two to the light and heat of the sun. They are not the same. There can be cold heat, and there can be warm darkness.

Sophistry at it's best.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Of course, the combination is wonderful, but they remain two separate things.

I would say that is the combination that is scandalous. No doubt it's wonderful to believe we are inheriting the kingdom of God by what we think in our hearts alone, and not by how we live.

It's the ultimate having our sinful cake on earth and eating it too in heaven.

And when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

 

[EarlyActs]

I guess you could call this a correction without acknowledgement.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

At least now you don't say doing the righteousness of God is not what we do.

The only thing not done by us through grace, is to forgiven our past sins repented of. What we do with the NT pure heart given us now do His righteousness at all times to sin not.



Now we have justification and righteousness separated from sanctification from unrighteousness. Justified and righteous while not sanctified from doing unrighteousness.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is a two part truth: God's people do His righteousness, and they are the righteous by doing it.

You appear to draw back from saying we don't do God's righteousness. Now maybe you can draw back from saying we are righteous with doing it.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

If we're not sanctified from doing unrighteousness, neither are we righteous nor justified while still doing unrighteousness.

Nor will we inherit the kingdom of God in the end:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

One post per topic please. You are difficult to read.

At least now you don't say
I never said we dismiss doing good works. I never said we dismiss repentance. That's you're problem. I'm saying that the term/expression 'righteousness of God' from Psalms and Isaiah, then in Paul, is not what we do. It is an act of God in history: "His own arm came forth and created righteousness." The best statement is Rom 3:21-26 and it is not about a change inside us, but is something can look upon us with, as one praise song says, "I am covered over with / the robe of righteousness that Jesus gives to me." This can appear to be phony, but as you know from a parable in Mt 22, the King rejected people not dressed for the wedding, for coming as they were.

 

[EarlyActs]

I guess you could call this a correction without acknowledgement.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

At least now you don't say doing the righteousness of God is not what we do.

The only thing not done by us through grace, is to forgiven our past sins repented of. What we do with the NT pure heart given us now do His righteousness at all times to sin not.



Now we have justification and righteousness separated from sanctification from unrighteousness. Justified and righteous while not sanctified from doing unrighteousness.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that is doing righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

This is a two part truth: God's people do His righteousness, and they are the righteous by doing it.

You appear to draw back from saying we don't do God's righteousness. Now maybe you can draw back from saying we are righteous with doing it.

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever is doing unrighteousness is not of God.

If we're not sanctified from doing unrighteousness, neither are we righteous nor justified while still doing unrighteousness.

Nor will we inherit the kingdom of God in the end:

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind...

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which are doing such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

at all times to sin not.
We may still sin, Romans 7. But the new heart will not want to sin. Grow up and realize that there is not perfection in this life.