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The Rapture

Carbon said:
Yes, it's almost scary to think about. I know God is in control, but it's still scary. The government is falling apart, I think we are headed for socialism. Churches are falling apart. True bible believing Christians are few these days IMO. So I can see where even Christians will turn against Christians. Well, professed Christians anyway,
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We have too many "wise" pastors who want to dabble in CRT, entertain egalitarianism, and become cultural experts and heroes instead of being gospel ministers. All of this is due to an attack on the Sufficiency of Scripture.
 
preacher4truth said:
We have too many "wise" pastors who want to dabble in CRT, entertain egalitarianism, and become cultural experts and heroes instead of being gospel ministers. All of this is due to an attack on the Sufficiency of Scripture.
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Indeed
 
ReverendRV said:
I would explain it by saying the Fallen angels are not Bound. The Fallen Human heart is Deceitful above All things (even the devil) and Desperately Wicked. I hear it is an Idol Factory...

This doesn't mean you don't have a good point; it's just not Fool-Proof...
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That is an interesting way of looking at it. Satan being bound but the fallen angels are still capable of making havoc. (I like that thinking)

But there are scriptures that point to satan still being around. That he is not hidden away in a bottomless pit right now and nor is he bound.
1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour."
1Thes 2:18 "For we wanted to come to you—I, Paul, more than once—and Satan hindered us."
Rev 2:13 "I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold firmly to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells." Satin cannot be in both a bottomless pit and also dwelling in Asia Minor.
Overall, if satan is still around, then amillennialism really has a big issue.
 
Hodgie said:
That is an interesting way of looking at it. Satan being bound but the fallen angels are still capable of making havoc. (I like that thinking)

But there are scriptures that point to satan still being around. That he is not hidden away in a bottomless pit right now and nor is he bound.
1 Peter 5:8 "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour."
1Thes 2:18 "For we wanted to come to you—I, Paul, more than once—and Satan hindered us."
Rev 2:13 "I know where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is; and you hold firmly to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days of Antipas, My witness, My faithful one, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells." Satin cannot be in both a bottomless pit and also dwelling in Asia Minor.
Overall, if satan is still around, then amillennialism really has a big issue.
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That's true. I think all Eschatologies have issues. It's why I can't make a Call and decide. But if anyone can reconcile the Eschatological Camps, it's me...

You ought to see what I do to the Atonement lol...
 
Marilyn C said:
The revelation of the Body of Christ and its purpose was not known or revealed in the gospels. Matt. 24: 29 - 31 refers to the Lord returning in power and great glory to deliver Israel and judge the nations. The nation are all mourning. If the B/C was there why is it mourning?
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It was know to God. Jesus is only returning one more time . Compare this to other return of the Lord passages. The Body of Christ is not mourning they are the elect gathered. Again there are not multiple returns of Christ only one. We must harmonize scriptures not divide them into multiple returns. There is only one gathering of the elect at His return,
 
ReverendRV said:
See? I have no Eschatological CLUE...
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Some fallen angels are in chains others are not. The ones in chains are related to the events of Genesis 6 and Jude. All angels that fell with satan did not commit the acts of Genesis 6. The ones that did not are still active in the affairs of men. Daniel sheds some light on this.
 
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Incubus ~ by ReverendRV * May 29

Genesis 6:4 NIV; The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Some Christians believe that the Nephilim Were Demons, partly because the root word for Nephilim is “to Fall”, and partly because they seem to be categorized differently than the women; the daughters of Man as opposed to the sons of God. But do these distinctions really mean that Demons procreated with women and produced a different race of Men? ~ There are no Verses in the Bible that teach this. Adam is called the son of God in the Gospel of Luke, so we have other options than just Demons. In the Book of Hebrews we find that the first chapter is dedicated to teach us that no Angel has ever been called a son of God; certainly no Fallen Angel could qualify either. Satan loves it when he hears us call Angels sons of God, because that makes HIM equal with God. The Jews recognized this when Jesus said he and God his Father are One, it meant that he is equal with God. Satan elevates himself at Christ’s expense…

Since a Demon can’t procreate with us, just who exactly are the Fallen Ones? After all, Jesus said he was there when Satan Fell from Heaven like a bolt of lightning; right? But we have other options to consider; Adam and Eve. They had one Law to keep, but they broke it and ‘Fell’ into Sin. ~ Are you also Fallen like Adam and Satan? Have you ever told a Lie? What do you call people that Lie? The Bible calls Satan a Liar. Have you ever stolen anything? What do you call those who steal? Yes, the Bible calls Satan a Thief too. Have you ever Hated someone and wished they were dead? Jesus said that this is Murder from the heart. Again, the Bible calls Satan a Murderer. These are just three of the Ten Commandments, if God judged you and Satan this way, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or Hell? Does this bother you? If it does, then you have crashed like lightning; who’s around to see you Fall like this?

Jesus has seen you Fall; either he will Judge you or Save you. ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus is able to see you because he is the Son of God who became a Man in order to live a Sinless life for us. This secured his position as the Head of Humanity, and gives us the right to say we lived a Life as good as his; but only if we give him our Sins. This means that since God caught Jesus with our Sins, he is punished instead of us. Jesus shed his blood and died on the Cross to satisfy the Wrath of God against your Sins. But since Jesus is the Way, the Truth and ‘the Life’, he arose from the dead; just like we will when he comes back for his Church. We’re Saved by the Grace of God through Faith in the risen Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, not by Works lest we should boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus as Lord and find a Bible believing Church. ~ Never believe that a Demon can procreate; if it’s true, then the Deity of Christ is suspect. The Pharisees said he did Miracles by the power of the Devil; this is the Unpardonable Sin…

Luke 11:15 KJV; But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
 
preacher4truth said:
Sons of God in Scripture always refers to angels. That's hard to refute. 🫤
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It's a Topic I won't spend a lot if time debating. I would just say the Old is clearly understood through the New; and the New infers that God has never called an Angel a Son. That's something I can't change believing...
 
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