The Final Pentecost Before the Last 7 Years Has Come and Gone

[Hazelelponi]

Again. The proof or your words mean nothing. Review the research and come against it with actual facts.

I posted the very words of Christ - to which I have seen ZERO refutation of in this post or any other.

I need add not one more thing until you prove my interpretation of Jesus words are incorrect. You may explore the Greek whatever you might like.

So far, Jesus saying no one knows the hour but God alone is definitive.

Only the final generation will know when things will fall into place.

Where does it say specifically in Scripture that the final generation will possess the knowledge that is in God's possession alone?

The Book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. So where does Scripture say we will know more than the Author of the Book when He was among us?

Obviously. At some point, people will figure out the murky prophecies because they will suddenly all make sense. That's what has happened. I'm one of the ones having been blessed with insight to figure it out. If you know differently, then prove it. Otherwise, the words you write mean less than nothing

They already make sense to many and our understanding doesn't come from people making crypto claims; it comes from Scripture itself.

Research the differences between the modern Jewish calendar, Babylonian calendar and the calendar used during biblical times. Prove them mathematically.

This is a discussion forum. If you're here to make a specific claim prove your words, otherwise your just trying to drive traffic to some external site(s) for your own benefit.

We are here to speak to our brothers and sisters in Christ and to present the Gospel to those wanting to know about our Christ and our Faith.

Research how the knowledge of how the New Testament was actually written in Aramaic got twisted in to a Greek primacy assumption.
Research God's planned 7 Long Day history of mankind and how the Masoretic text shows the exact year of Creation.

This is a discussion forum. If you're here to make a specific claim prove your words, otherwise your just trying to drive traffic to some external site(s) for your own benefit.

Research the code entwined into the Day Order of Creation and how this proves Jesus is the Messiah in His first and second coming and how this shows the exact years of both HIs first and second comings.

This is a discussion forum. If you're here to make a specific claim prove your words, otherwise your just trying to drive traffic to some external site(s) for your own benefit.

Research the series of eclipses that cluster around Jewish Feast Days and how they mark the significant events of the Jewish people through their history and how the most significant clusters of eclipses are set to happen starting this year and the largest cluster in history set to happen exactly 7 years later.

This is a discussion forum. If you're here to make a specific claim prove your words, otherwise your just trying to drive traffic to some external site(s) for your own benefit.

Once you do this, then you will be able to respond in an informed and helpful manner.

This is a discussion forum. If you're here to make a specific claim prove your words, otherwise your just trying to drive traffic to some external site(s) for your own benefit.

 

[Hazelelponi]

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So you cannot refute Jesus' words using Scripture?

Where does Scripture tell us our knowledge will exceed Christ's?

Do you think the 3rd person of the Trinity had less knowledge than you do today?

 

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So you cannot refute Jesus' words using Scripture?

Where does Scripture tell us our knowledge will exceed Christ's?

Do you think the 3rd person of the Trinity had less knowledge than you do today?

[MOD EDIT: Rules-violating content removed.] First deal with your false statement that is specifically refuted by Matt 24:32

 

[Hazelelponi]

[MOD EDIT: Deleted content removed.] First deal with your false statement that is specifically refuted by Matt 24:32

What false statement?

I have apologized for saying date setting was specifically heretical. I have made no other false statements, if you would like to point out any errors I am happy to admit when I'm wrong about something. For example, I apologize for being too sharp in my tone, however Matthew 24:32, does not manage to abrogate Matthew 24:36 - which is what was said after 24:32.

Your initial claims about June 1, 2025, being the “final Pentecost” and the “final 7 years” starting in winter 2026 crumble under Scripture’s weight. I hold to sola scriptura, and date-setting doesn’t pass the test of Scripture itself. .

Jesus says in Matthew 24:36 (ESV), “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” Acts 1:7 (ESV) doubles down: “It is not for you to know times or seasons.”

Your appeal to Matthew 24:32 (the fig tree) is misguided as the verse urges vigilance, not date-picking; it’s about readiness and watchfulness in the light of our Lord's certain return - not a 2026 deadline. Daniel 9’s “70 weeks” was fulfilled in Christ’s first coming (Berkhof, Systematic Theology; Riddlebarger A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding the End Times), not a future tribulation. Your dispensational split between Church and Israel contradicts the one covenant of grace (WCF 7.5–6; Rom. 11:17–24).

Your “research” into eclipses, Aramaic primacy, and Creation codes lacks biblical warrant. Scripture doesn’t mention eclipse clusters or a “7 Long Day history” as prophetic (WCF 1.6). Joel 2:31’s cosmic signs accompany Christ’s return, not a 7-year countdown.

Aramaic primacy is a fringe theory (Grudem, Systematic Theology, chpt. p. 90 affirms Greek), and your refusal to share details, citing “censorship,” seems like a ploy rather than a means to defend scriptural truth (1 Pet. 3:15). Claiming special insight (“blessed with insight,” post #16) risks the false prophecy warned against in Deuteronomy 18:20–22.

1 Thessalonians 5:4–6 calls us to be sober, not speculative. We expect one return of Christ, not a Rapture tied to Pentecost. Your error isn’t just theological—it risks making Christianity a laughingstock, as I saw in my unsaved days (post #15). We are to focus on Christ’s certain return and have hope in it while pointing others to Him, not a calendar.

Grace and peace

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Sources

• ESV Scripture: Matthew 24:36, Acts 1:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:1–6, Daniel 9:24–27, Romans 11:17–24 ESV.org
• Westminster Confession of Faith: Chapters 1.6 (Scripture’s sufficiency), 7.5–6 (Covenant), 33.1 (Last Things) Ligonier.org
• Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology: On Daniel 9 and eschatology Monergism.com
• Wayne Grudem, Systematic Theology: On Greek NT primacy and eschatology Zondervan
• Anthony Hoekema, The Bible and the Future: Amillennial eschatology Eerdmans
• Kim Riddlebarger, A Case for Amillennialism; Understanding the End Times PDF

 

[Rella]

We are not supposed to know. Jesus told us that.

Mathew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.


And he also said watch for the signs.

In Matthew 24:42, Jesus Christ says, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” He repeats this statement again in
Matthew 25:13 .

We also are told The Bible condemns fortune telling and similar practices, describing them as abominations and forms of idolatry. It emphasizes that such activities are forbidden by God and warns against consulting mediums or engaging in divination (Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Isaiah 8:19).

If there were prophesies in the bible, we are told they are prophets and then we can heed their words.... but we should not go searching
for ourselves......WHY?..... Because we will be wrong.

Does anyone here know or have read orr studied the Millerite Movement...

The Millerite movement was a religious movement led by William Miller in the early 19th century, which predicted the Second Coming of Jesus Christ would occur between 1843 and 1844. The movement gained significant followers during the Second Great Awakening but faced disillusionment after the anticipated return did not happen on October 22, 1844, an event known as the Great Disappointment.

Yet he had a well known person endorse him.... Ellen G White of SDA fame.... until he failed, and she did spend much of her time in search of the correct answer.

Ellen White wrote fondly of "Father Miller," believing him to be a modern-day "John the Baptist":

"As John the Baptist heralded the first advent of Jesus and prepared the way for His coming, so William Miller and those who joined with him proclaimed the second advent of the Son of God."10

In her epic book The Great Controversy, Mrs. White places Miller alongside the great Protestant reformers, such as Luther and Wycliffe. In that book she devotes an entire chapter to the "American Reformer."11 She compares Miller's calling to preach his theories on the date of Christ's return with God's call of the prophet Elisha:

"As Elisha was called following his oxen in the field, to receive the mantle of consecration to the prophetic office, so was William Miller called to leave his plow and open to the people the mysteries of the kingdom of God."12

And what mystery of God did Miller have for the people? That Christ was going to return in 1843/1844:

"In 1818, he reached the solemn conviction that in about twenty-five years Christ would appear for the redemption of His people."13

Thus, Ellen White makes it clear that Miller was called to preach a message that was essentially false--a message that would cause the few who believed and accepted it to suffer a great disappointment when Jesus failed to return as planned.

Knowing what we do of William Miller, knowing that he set false dates for Christ's return, knowing that these false dates were the primary emphasis of his message, knowing that his message, albeit sincere, deluded thousands of people, does he really deserve to stand among the giants of the Christian faith? Was he really a great reformer?

Isn't it funny that the likes of Mrs Miller and also Joseph Smith for all their talk of being in contact with someone from above... and angel or whoever.... never once were given the answer.

It is because we are not supposed to know.

That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

But does not keep me from reading on the subject...

 

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We are not supposed to know. Jesus told us that.

Mathew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.


And he also said watch for the signs.

In Matthew 24:42, Jesus Christ says, “Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.” He repeats this statement again in
Matthew 25:13 .

We also are told The Bible condemns fortune telling and similar practices, describing them as abominations and forms of idolatry. It emphasizes that such activities are forbidden by God and warns against consulting mediums or engaging in divination (Deuteronomy 18:10-12, Isaiah 8:19).

If there were prophesies in the bible, we are told they are prophets and then we can heed their words.... but we should not go searching
for ourselves......WHY?..... Because we will be wrong.

Does anyone here know or have read orr studied the Millerite Movement...

The Millerite movement was a religious movement led by William Miller in the early 19th century, which predicted the Second Coming of Jesus Christ would occur between 1843 and 1844. The movement gained significant followers during the Second Great Awakening but faced disillusionment after the anticipated return did not happen on October 22, 1844, an event known as the Great Disappointment.

Yet he had a well known person endorse him.... Ellen G White of SDA fame.... until he failed, and she did spend much of her time in search of the correct answer.

Ellen White wrote fondly of "Father Miller," believing him to be a modern-day "John the Baptist":


In her epic book The Great Controversy, Mrs. White places Miller alongside the great Protestant reformers, such as Luther and Wycliffe. In that book she devotes an entire chapter to the "American Reformer."11 She compares Miller's calling to preach his theories on the date of Christ's return with God's call of the prophet Elisha:


And what mystery of God did Miller have for the people? That Christ was going to return in 1843/1844:


Thus, Ellen White makes it clear that Miller was called to preach a message that was essentially false--a message that would cause the few who believed and accepted it to suffer a great disappointment when Jesus failed to return as planned.

Knowing what we do of William Miller, knowing that he set false dates for Christ's return, knowing that these false dates were the primary emphasis of his message, knowing that his message, albeit sincere, deluded thousands of people, does he really deserve to stand among the giants of the Christian faith? Was he really a great reformer?

Isn't it funny that the likes of Mrs Miller and also Joseph Smith for all their talk of being in contact with someone from above... and angel or whoever.... never once were given the answer.

It is because we are not supposed to know.

That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

But does not keep me from reading on the subject...

I don't have to defend false prophets. So nothing is valid in your comment.

 

[eclipseEventSigns]

What false statement?

I have apologized for saying date setting was specifically heretical. I have made no other false statements, if you would like to point out any errors I am happy to admit when I'm wrong about something. For example, I apologize for being too sharp in my tone, however Matthew 24:32, does not manage to abrogate Matthew 24:36 - which is what was said after 24:32.

Your initial claims about June 1, 2025, being the “final Pentecost” and the “final 7 years” starting in winter 2026 crumble under Scripture’s weight. I hold to sola scriptura, and date-setting doesn’t pass the test of Scripture itself. .

Jesus says in Matthew 24:36 (ESV), “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.” Acts 1:7 (ESV) doubles down: “It is not for you to know times or seasons.”

Your appeal to Matthew 24:32 (the fig tree) is misguided as the verse urges vigilance, not date-picking; it’s about readiness and watchfulness in the light of our Lord's certain return - not a 2026 deadline. Daniel 9’s “70 weeks” was fulfilled in Christ’s first coming (Berkhof, Systematic Theology; Riddlebarger A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding the End Times), not a future tribulation. Your dispensational split between Church and Israel contradicts the one covenant of grace (WCF 7.5–6; Rom. 11:17–24).

Your “research” into eclipses, Aramaic primacy, and Creation codes lacks biblical warrant. Scripture doesn’t mention eclipse clusters or a “7 Long Day history” as prophetic (WCF 1.6). Joel 2:31’s cosmic signs accompany Christ’s return, not a 7-year countdown.

Aramaic primacy is a fringe theory (Grudem, Systematic Theology, chpt. p. 90 affirms Greek), and your refusal to share details, citing “censorship,” seems like a ploy rather than a means to defend scriptural truth (1 Pet. 3:15). Claiming special insight (“blessed with insight,” post #16) risks the false prophecy warned against in Deuteronomy 18:20–22.

1 Thessalonians 5:4–6 calls us to be sober, not speculative. We expect one return of Christ, not a Rapture tied to Pentecost. Your error isn’t just theological—it risks making Christianity a laughingstock, as I saw in my unsaved days (post #15). We are to focus on Christ’s certain return and have hope in it while pointing others to Him, not a calendar.

Grace and peace

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Sources

• ESV Scripture: Matthew 24:36, Acts 1:7, 1 Thessalonians 5:1–6, Daniel 9:24–27, Romans 11:17–24 ESV.org
• Westminster Confession of Faith: Chapters 1.6 (Scripture’s sufficiency), 7.5–6 (Covenant), 33.1 (Last Things) Ligonier.org
• Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology: On Daniel 9 and eschatology Monergism.com
• Wayne Grudem, Systematic Theology: On Greek NT primacy and eschatology Zondervan
• Anthony Hoekema, The Bible and the Future: Amillennial eschatology Eerdmans
• Kim Riddlebarger, A Case for Amillennialism; Understanding the End Times PDF

Perfect. That's a great start. You lay out the very common views of those who have a surface level understanding of the topics. It goes to show that we have a great amount of baggage from false church tradition to wade through and discard in order to come to the actual facts of Scripture.

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For example, one part of my research restores the method and mechanics behind the Jewish calendar used during the biblical era. It is NOT the same as the current Jewish calendar which only came into existence circa 350 AD. This is something ABSOLUTELY NO modern biblical scholar takes into account and is why a great many historical dates assumed as correct, are in fact, wrong. I have proven this mathematically and it is unassailable and airtight. I invite you to go through it and try to refute it yourself. In 25 years, so far no one has been able to.

 

[Hazelelponi]

For example, one part of my research restores the method and mechanics behind the Jewish calendar used during the biblical era. It is NOT the same as the current Jewish calendar which only came into existence circa 350 AD. This is something ABSOLUTELY NO modern biblical scholar takes into account and is why a great many historical dates assumed as correct, are in fact, wrong. I have proven this mathematically and it is unassailable and airtight. I invite you to go through it and try to refute it yourself. In 25 years, so far no one has been able to.

I respect the time and passion you’ve invested in researching the Jewish calendar of the biblical era, and I can see it’s a labor of love for you. As a sister in Christ, I want to encourage you to test all things against the sure foundation of Scripture (1 Thess. 5:21, ESV: “Test everything; hold fast what is good”). Your claim that your calendar, distinct from the modern Jewish one, corrects historical dates and points to a 2026 timeline must be weighed by God’s Word alone, as Scripture alone guides us.

Scripture, like Leviticus 23:15–16, describes Pentecost’s timing but never mandates a specific calendar for predicting Christ’s return. Scholars note that ancient Jewish calendars varied widely, yet none provide a divine blueprint for eschatological dates. Hebrews 10:37 (ESV) assures us, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay,” but no verse ties this to a precise date. Your research, while expansive, lacks the clear biblical warrant needed to claim such certainty (Deut. 18:20–22).

I understand these are trying times, and we all long for Christ’s return. But our calling is to trust in Jesus, “who was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you” (1 Pet. 1:20–21, ESV). Calendar calculations, even if mathematically sound, distract us from the gospel when they go beyond Scripture’s revelation. I’m not here to dismiss your effort, but to urge you to pray and anchor your hope in Christ alone, not dates, based in Scripture.