No one knows the Day or the Hour !

[Carbon]

You do know that in Replacement Theology, Spiritual Israel means the church right? And why?

Name it what you like.

Because the proponents of Replacement Theology teach that God has rejected Israel, and the church is now Spiritual Israel.

Is now?
The church is spiritual Israel.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

 

[armylngst]

Name it what you like.

I am not naming it. It is a known theology.

Is now?
The church is spiritual Israel.

There you go, refuting Paul (God). Very good.

 

[Carbon]

I am not naming it. It is a known theology.

There you go, refuting Paul (God). Very good.

Lol. I'm agreeing with Paul. Thought I showed you that. I think you're disagreeing with Paul.

 

[armylngst]

Lol. I'm agreeing with Paul. Thought I showed you that. I think you're disagreeing with Paul.

If you don't think that there is some kind of two pronged program that becomes one in the end, consider Jesus' response to someone who wasn't Jewish.
"21 And going away from there, Jesus withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and were pleading with Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [a]at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and [b]was bowing down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not [c]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; [d]but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed [e]at once."

Consider that Jesus compared her, and anyone who wasn't Jewish (Gentiles?) as dogs. Plainly and clearly. Even the woman understood her position before God. "even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their master's table."

The church is not Israel. It never was Israel. It is the body of Christ, while Israel is the chosen people of God. A chosen people He has more than once said that He has not rejected them. He brought them salvation. When they rejected, that salvation went to the dogs. When all is said and done, this mercy will also be shown to the Jews, and they too will be saved, by the same mercy God showed the Gentiles. Did God have to give salvation to the Gentiles? Considering what Jesus said, did He have to?

 

[armylngst]

Lol. I'm agreeing with Paul. Thought I showed you that. I think you're disagreeing with Paul.

So, since terms don't just switch out in the middle of a passage, is it the church that is blind and hardened, or Israel/the Jews. If you are going to say that the church is Israel, you can't pick and choose. Who has been partially blinded/hardened until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in? The church, right? You know... Israel is the church, right?

 

[EarlyActs]

If I actually cared about the subject I would study it. Which I did, with both dispy's stuff and covenant theology stuff. The later is biblical.

Both theologies are hardly worthwhile. They are often doctrinaire and naive, in similar ways. Become a historian and 'go through' the times with the first believers.

 

[EarlyActs]

If you don't think that there is some kind of two pronged program that becomes one in the end, consider Jesus' response to someone who wasn't Jewish.
"21 And going away from there, Jesus withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and were pleading with Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [a]at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and [b]was bowing down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not [c]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; [d]but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed [e]at once."

Consider that Jesus compared her, and anyone who wasn't Jewish (Gentiles?) as dogs. Plainly and clearly. Even the woman understood her position before God. "even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their master's table."

The church is not Israel. It never was Israel. It is the body of Christ, while Israel is the chosen people of God. A chosen people He has more than once said that He has not rejected them. He brought them salvation. When they rejected, that salvation went to the dogs. When all is said and done, this mercy will also be shown to the Jews, and they too will be saved, by the same mercy God showed the Gentiles. Did God have to give salvation to the Gentiles? Considering what Jesus said, did He have to?

It was to test her faith, and she had it by her answer. You missed the point. She knew, as did he, that the Gentiles were to be reached. It is everywhere in the prophets. There are no doctrinal passages (this is an isolated incident) that match what you are saying, the 2 peoples-2 programs of D'ism.

 

[EarlyActs]

If you don't think that there is some kind of two pronged program that becomes one in the end, consider Jesus' response to someone who wasn't Jewish.
"21 And going away from there, Jesus withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and were pleading with Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [a]at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and [b]was bowing down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not [c]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; [d]but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed [e]at once."

Consider that Jesus compared her, and anyone who wasn't Jewish (Gentiles?) as dogs. Plainly and clearly. Even the woman understood her position before God. "even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their master's table."

The church is not Israel. It never was Israel. It is the body of Christ, while Israel is the chosen people of God. A chosen people He has more than once said that He has not rejected them. He brought them salvation. When they rejected, that salvation went to the dogs. When all is said and done, this mercy will also be shown to the Jews, and they too will be saved, by the same mercy God showed the Gentiles. Did God have to give salvation to the Gentiles? Considering what Jesus said, did He have to?

Your 'mercy will...' line is not what the end of Rom 11 says. It is surprising how many people do not read further than v26.

The believers were called the chosen people, a royal priesthood in I Pet 2. This 2nd is because in Acts 1, the answer about the kingdom of Israel is that the authority will be put upon you like priests garments (you will be clothed with power--authority). That 'clothing' was the declaration that the whole world was to see Christ as enthroned and as the person of Ps 2 and 110, who will smite all those who do not honor him.

Yes God has to give salvation to the ends of the earth. It is the Abrahamic promise. I don't know why people think the land promise is the thing that corners those who do not believe in 2P2P. The promise to all nations was already there in the 1st gospel in ch 3 of Genesis besides these patriarch narratives.

 

[armylngst]

It was to test her faith, and she had it by her answer. You missed the point. She knew, as did he, that the Gentiles were to be reached. It is everywhere in the prophets. There are no doctrinal passages (this is an isolated incident) that match what you are saying, the 2 peoples-2 programs of D'ism.

Romans 11. The gospel came to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. The Jews rejected, and through their rejection (according to Paul) the gospel went to and saved the Gentiles. At the end of time, the mercy shown to the Gentiles will be shown to the Jews, and so all Israel will be saved. (With the understanding that this is the remnant of Israel who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al. (That's the way God put it to Elijah.) However, there is a very strong antsemitic stance to the Catholic Church, which apparently leaked into protestantism, that says that God has rejected His chosen people. This existed in Paul's time, which is why he starts Romans 11 by asking if God has rejected His people, to which Paul says NO.

 

[armylngst]

Your 'mercy will...' line is not what the end of Rom 11 says. It is surprising how many people do not read further than v26.

Perhaps if you read the end of Romans 11, you would find that the 3rd to last word of Romans 11 is mercy.
"25 For I do not want you, brothers, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “And this is [g]My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 [h]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but [i]from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all."

So, who are these who "also now have been disobedient"?
"17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a partaker with them of the [f]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast against them, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right! They were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be haughty, but fear, 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again."

The believers were called the chosen people, a royal priesthood in I Pet 2. This 2nd is because in Acts 1, the answer about the kingdom of Israel is that the authority will be put upon you like priests garments (you will be clothed with power--authority). That 'clothing' was the declaration that the whole world was to see Christ as enthroned and as the person of Ps 2 and 110, who will smite all those who do not honor him.

Yes God has to give salvation to the ends of the earth. It is the Abrahamic promise. I don't know why people think the land promise is the thing that corners those who do not believe in 2P2P. The promise to all nations was already there in the 1st gospel in ch 3 of Genesis besides these patriarch narratives.

Yet Paul says "I say then, has God rejected His people? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." If the Jews are rejected and/or removed from their place, so to was Paul. So to was Jesus.

 

[EarlyActs]

Perhaps if you read the end of Romans 11, you would find that the 3rd to last word of Romans 11 is mercy.
"25 For I do not want you, brothers, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
He will remove ungodliness from Jacob.”
27 “And this is [g]My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
28 [h]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but [i]from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all."

So, who are these who "also now have been disobedient"?
"17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a partaker with them of the [f]rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast against them, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right! They were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be haughty, but fear, 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again."

Yet Paul says "I say then, has God rejected His people? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin." If the Jews are rejected and/or removed from their place, so to was Paul. So to was Jesus.

I don't know where we disagree on the last. But notice: he just invalidated the use of race-nation groups again. Let me update: "...God hasn't rejected (all of) his people; look at me!" So he invalidates whole race-nation groups at a time. Unless you switch over like Mt 21 and call the 'workers in the vineyard' an 'ethne' (nation) like he did.

On the above, I don't know where we disagree. You only contribute 2 lines. I have 50 years memory of the passage, but not what you are saying. My point was the mercy referenced was exercised in the present sense, the gift in Christ.

 

[armylngst]

I don't know where we disagree on the last. But notice: he just invalidated the use of race-nation groups again. Let me update: "...God hasn't rejected (all of) his people; look at me!"

That isn't what Paul said. Paul said, God has not rejected His people, He accepted me, and I am one of them. You are missing Paul's point. Paul is speaking in binary. Either God has rejected the group (nation of Israel), or God has not rejected the group (nation of Israel). Paul's rationale is that if God has rejected His people, it affects every individual in the group. So, if Jew is one of the person's characteristics, then if God rejected the Nation of Israel, the Jews, then God rejects all who are Jews. Paul says, look, God has not rejected His people, I am one of them, and He has not rejected me. So, by definition, Israel, the nation has not been rejected. Individuals have been rejected at the individual level. That is different. They aren't rejected because they are of the nation of Israel, they are rejected for unbelief.

So he invalidates whole race-nation groups at a time. Unless you switch over like Mt 21 and call the 'workers in the vineyard' an 'ethne' (nation) like he did.

He did not. You just aren't understanding the true depth of God's dealings with Israel. It goes beyond the nation to the individual. For the Gentiles, God's dealings are solely with the individual. Why? There is no chosen nation of God amongst the Gentiles. Remember what Jesus said: "John 10:16: “And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.”" What is the fold that Jesus speaks of? The chosen people of God. Jesus specifically states that the Gentiles are not part of this and need to be brought in. Hence, the fullness of the times of the Gentiles that Paul speaks of. This is the time when the elect of the Gentiles are gathered in.

On the above, I don't know where we disagree. You only contribute 2 lines. I have 50 years memory of the passage, but not what you are saying. My point was the mercy referenced was exercised in the present sense, the gift in Christ.

Yet you still felt the need to add to the verse. And you even made it as though it was actually in the verse. When you interject your own interpretation, it should be "..God hasn't rejected [all of] his people; look at me". Why written that way? So we understand it isn't actually there, but is interjected. So you only have a memory of the passage, and aren't actively studying it? (Yes, words are that important in a discussion like this one.) 50 years is a lot of time to forget what a passage is about. I can speak to that from experience with other passages. It doesn't take long to add things to a passage when one is only relying on memory.

 

[Marilyn C]

Lets have a fun discussion.

Matt.24:36 - " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, ( Jesus ) but only the Father ( God the Father ). This is talking about the RAPTURE as in a traditional Jewish wedding, the son gets engaged first and then he goes away to his fathers house to prepare a place ( Bridal Chamber ) for her - ( John14:2-3 ) and comes back like a thief in the night to FETCH his bride, when his father tells him to. That is why Jesus ( even though He is God also ) said only His Father Knows. Now as for Jesus' 2nd coming to set up His 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, it will be EXACTLY 2,520 Days after the 7 year Tribulation starts or exactly 1,260 days from the middle of the Tribulation also known as the Great Tribulation - Matt.24:29 - He will come - "Immediately after the Tribulation of those days...". This is one of several proofs that the Rapture and 2nd coming are TWO separate evens , and NOT the same event as many believe - because in the Rapture, the DAY is UNKNOWN and in the 2nd coming, the Exact DAY will be KNOWN once the 7 year Tribulation STARTS, when a peace treaty is put in force by the Anti-Christ between Israel & the Arab block of nations, then those who are left behind from the Rapture can start the count down to Christs' return to earth to set up His Kingdom - exactly 7 biblical years of 360 days each or 2,520 days. How do I Know the Church ( True Born Again Believers ) will be caught up ( Raptured - 1 Thess.4:16-17 ) before the 7 year Tribulation starts? Answer -Rev.3:10 - The church of Philadelphia which represents the True born again believers of this current age, will be KEPT OUT OF ( Greek word EK - out of , not perseveration through ) the time of trial ( Tribulation ) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. Thus the RESTRAINING ministry of the Holy Spirit ( The Church ) will be taken ( Raptured ) out of the way so the Anti-Christ can be REVEALED -( 2 Thess.2:6-8 ), as we are NOT appointed to Wrath, but the Salvation through Jesus Christ - 1 Thess.5:9.

hope this helps !!!

The Head of His Body has told us -

`Brethren, you are NOT in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

`But exhorting each other all the MORE as YOU SEE THE DAY APPROACHING.` (Heb. 10: 25)

 

[Matt5]

Lets have a fun discussion.

Matt.24:36 - " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, ( Jesus ) but only the Father ( God the Father ). This is talking about the RAPTURE as in a traditional Jewish wedding, the son gets engaged first and then he goes away to his fathers house to prepare a place ( Bridal Chamber ) for her - ( John14:2-3 ) and comes back like a thief in the night to FETCH his bride, when his father tells him to. That is why Jesus ( even though He is God also ) said only His Father Knows. Now as for Jesus' 2nd coming to set up His 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, it will be EXACTLY 2,520 Days after the 7 year Tribulation starts or exactly 1,260 days from the middle of the Tribulation also known as the Great Tribulation - Matt.24:29 - He will come - "Immediately after the Tribulation of those days...". This is one of several proofs that the Rapture and 2nd coming are TWO separate evens , and NOT the same event as many believe - because in the Rapture, the DAY is UNKNOWN and in the 2nd coming, the Exact DAY will be KNOWN once the 7 year Tribulation STARTS, when a peace treaty is put in force by the Anti-Christ between Israel & the Arab block of nations, then those who are left behind from the Rapture can start the count down to Christs' return to earth to set up His Kingdom - exactly 7 biblical years of 360 days each or 2,520 days. How do I Know the Church ( True Born Again Believers ) will be caught up ( Raptured - 1 Thess.4:16-17 ) before the 7 year Tribulation starts? Answer -Rev.3:10 - The church of Philadelphia which represents the True born again believers of this current age, will be KEPT OUT OF ( Greek word EK - out of , not perseveration through ) the time of trial ( Tribulation ) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. Thus the RESTRAINING ministry of the Holy Spirit ( The Church ) will be taken ( Raptured ) out of the way so the Anti-Christ can be REVEALED -( 2 Thess.2:6-8 ), as we are NOT appointed to Wrath, but the Salvation through Jesus Christ - 1 Thess.5:9.

hope this helps !!!

Let's say I'm a good Christian. How do I NOT get raptured?

We know that many Christians screw up something and suffer for it. Half the Christians get rejected in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. Apparently, lazy Christians die in the parable of the talents.

How do I screw up the rapture thing?

 

[armylngst]

Let's say I'm a good Christian. How do I NOT get raptured?

We know that many Christians screw up something and suffer for it. Half the Christians get rejected in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. Apparently, lazy Christians die in the parable of the talents.

How do I screw up the rapture thing?

The proper question is, outside of saying you are a good Christian, how do you know God sees you as a good Christian? God knows your heart. That is why Jesus didn't stutter when defining the heart of a man, and says that it isn't what goes into the body through the mouth that defiles the man (I guess that kind of says that no food is actually unclean), but what comes out of the man from their heart. That defiles the man.

I don't think we can know whether we can "screw up the rapture thing", until it happens and someone is left scratching their head. Could the view of the rapture reflect the heart? (No reason to believe it does, but a person's actions can betray whether they are believers. Whether they actually have faith or not.)

The best you can do is do what Peter said. Judge yourself to ensure you are in the faith. Is this to see whether or not you are a believer or not. Only partly. The main reason is so that your faith is built on a solid foundation, that will not be rocked by the things of the world and attacks of Satan. Your faith will stand on a solid assurance that you truly are in the way. However, you have to use Peter's checklist, not your own.

 

[civic]

The Head of His Body has told us -

`Brethren, you are NOT in darkness that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

`But exhorting each other all the MORE as YOU SEE THE DAY APPROACHING.` (Heb. 10: 25)

Amen

 

[EarlyActs]

That isn't what Paul said. Paul said, God has not rejected His people, He accepted me, and I am one of them. You are missing Paul's point. Paul is speaking in binary. Either God has rejected the group (nation of Israel), or God has not rejected the group (nation of Israel). Paul's rationale is that if God has rejected His people, it affects every individual in the group. So, if Jew is one of the person's characteristics, then if God rejected the Nation of Israel, the Jews, then God rejects all who are Jews. Paul says, look, God has not rejected His people, I am one of them, and He has not rejected me. So, by definition, Israel, the nation has not been rejected. Individuals have been rejected at the individual level. That is different. They aren't rejected because they are of the nation of Israel, they are rejected for unbelief.

He did not. You just aren't understanding the true depth of God's dealings with Israel. It goes beyond the nation to the individual. For the Gentiles, God's dealings are solely with the individual. Why? There is no chosen nation of God amongst the Gentiles. Remember what Jesus said: "John 10:16: “And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.”" What is the fold that Jesus speaks of? The chosen people of God. Jesus specifically states that the Gentiles are not part of this and need to be brought in. Hence, the fullness of the times of the Gentiles that Paul speaks of. This is the time when the elect of the Gentiles are gathered in.

Yet you still felt the need to add to the verse. And you even made it as though it was actually in the verse. When you interject your own interpretation, it should be "..God hasn't rejected [all of] his people; look at me". Why written that way? So we understand it isn't actually there, but is interjected. So you only have a memory of the passage, and aren't actively studying it? (Yes, words are that important in a discussion like this one.) 50 years is a lot of time to forget what a passage is about. I can speak to that from experience with other passages. It doesn't take long to add things to a passage when one is only relying on memory.

I meant I have had in in mind for 50 years, checking verbs, moods and tenses. It is sharper not duller. The 11:30 ends on now and on no subgroups. This is not complicated.

 

[Marilyn C]

Let's say I'm a good Christian. How do I NOT get raptured?

We know that many Christians screw up something and suffer for it. Half the Christians get rejected in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins. Apparently, lazy Christians die in the parable of the talents.

How do I screw up the rapture thing?

Believers who are busy about their own life and not the things of the Lord will miss the rapture.

God`s word tells us -

`To those who eagerly wait for Him to appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.` (Heb. 9: 28)

 

[Rev. Man Ron]

Matt.24:36 - " No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, ( Jesus ) but only the Father ( God the Father ). This is talking about the RAPTURE as in a traditional Jewish wedding, the son gets engaged first and then he goes away to his fathers house to prepare a place ( Bridal Chamber ) for her - ( John14:2-3 ) and comes back like a thief in the night to FETCH his bride, when his father tells him to. That is why Jesus ( even though He is God also ) said only His Father Knows.

True, but the whole Day nor Hour dissertation also is meant to show us, the Church, that we are seeing Jesus fulfill the 7 Feasts in order. The fourth Feast is the 4.) Feast of weeks (Summer Harvest/Church Age/Pentecost) which comes after Jesus has fulfilled the 1.) Passover 2.) Unleavened Bread (he knew no sin) 3.) First-fruits (defeats death). Jesus is now our High Priest in heaven, we the church are harvesting souls for God/Jesus, he is the head, we are the body. This can only end on a New Moon Phase, like all the Feasts do. That means these Feasts are appointed times, by God the Father. So, likewise only the Father knows the day and hour, that is referring to the New Moon starting the 5.) Feast of Trumps and that lines up with Rev. 4:1 where Jesus calls us home, ending the Church Age or Feast of weeks. He does so at the "LAST TRUMP" because the Feast of trumps blows the shofar in 9 sets of 11 or 99 times, then on the last trump the Feast of weeks/Summer Harvest or Church Age ends. So Jesus fulfills the Summer Harvest and the Rapture/Feast of Trumps, then he has two Feasts left o fulfill, the 6.) Feast of Atonement which of course is about Israel repenting just before the DOTL as Zech. 13:8-9 shows us, fulfilling the Prophecy of Dan. 9:24-27.

Then finally after Israel atones the can fulfill the last Feast 7.) Feast of Tabernacles, this word means to Dwell with God, and thus Jesus reigns from Israel and Jerusalem for 1000 years with Israel, thus Israel dwell (Tabernacles) with God. So, us not knowing the exact DAY nor HOUR doesn't really mean much, its just Jesus saying God has appointed a specific time and no one knows that SPECIFIC DAY & HOUR, but just like Israel knew within two days when he New Moon Phase would come in, and thus sent two men up into the hills to spy it out and send word back, so will we know approximately when the Rapture will be by all of the SIGNS !! The biggest sign IMHO, is the Middle of the week Asteroid events seen in Rev. 8, I see that as Apophis which arrives on April 13, 2029, so by taking 3.5 years off I see the Fall of 2025 as the latest the Pre Trib Rapture ca happen, I know THE SEASON (just as Israel did) but I can not know the exact day nor hour.

Finish in a bit, you are pretty spot on on most everything so far, so I am just adding an enlightening factoid.

 

[EarlyActs]

Name it what you like.

Is now?
The church is spiritual Israel.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

The actual replacement theology problem is in Gal 3:17. The modern one was invented by Dispensational eschatology, and fraught with misunderstandings.