No one knows the Day or the Hour !

[Marilyn C]

I am not an Eschatology or even Prophecy in general fan (I need to wait for the angel to come along and explain what it meant) ... but if "Jerusalem" is the "City of God" [ie. poetic-speak for "God's People"], then it plays out over and over in this world.

• How is the mighty Hun empire doing that attacked Christian Europe?
• How did the medieval Caliphate fare? Is Norh Africa still a force to be reckoned with?
• How did Hitler's "final solution" work out for Germany and the Third Empire [Reich]?
• How has destroying the Russian Orthodox Church to teach Atheism worked out for the Soviet Union? (last I heard, the Church was still alive in Russia but the Soviet Union had died.)
• Let's watch China and see if THEIR efforts to crush the Church and worship the state produce similar fruit.

It seems to me, that God HAS DESTROYED the nations that come against "Jerusalem" (His Holy City) ... we were just looking at the "real estate" when we should have been looking at the "people".

[But, as I said ... prophecy isn't really my thing. Now ask me about my Jesus and THAT's a whole different matter.]

I agree, and I believe that Jesus is the starting point for all scripture. And yes, God does protect the people of Israel from being wiped out. They surely have had a hard road to tread throughout the centuries as the Lord knew. And in our day, it seems that nearly all the nations are going against Israel.

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you know what 'flattening' is? It is that the OT vision is read as one piece, but the reader could not see the Gospel event separate (by some 40 years) from the destruction of Jerusalem. So things have a different sense, depending on which end of the generation (Christs or the destruction) you are referring to. Some may even have elements of the end of time when the city of believers is protected, Rev 20. Flattening happens in Dan 9, when Messiah succeeds, but Israel is ruined. Those two outcomes must be settled.

We also know the established theme of the Jerusalem above. Gal 4, Heb 12, 13, the city full of Christ's believers.

That is why it is very important not to go back to the race-nation when the NT is speaking of Christ and those in him. The Bible does not have two peoples-two programs.

That is why my first question to you here was 'which Israel?' and the reference to Rom 9:6.

So, why didn`t Jesus tell the disciples about this one people program when they asked Him was it time to restore the rulership to Israel over the nations? Jesus said it wasn`t for them to know the time of that. (Acts 1: 6 & 7)

 

[EarlyActs]

So, why didn`t Jesus tell the disciples about this one people program when they asked Him was it time to restore the rulership to Israel over the nations? Jesus said it wasn`t for them to know the time of that. (Acts 1: 6 & 7)

He did, and he said more there than meets the eye. As a category, it is off limits, so why are you devoted to it?

The next line says the priestly clothing of the kingdom of priests was to be upon them in the form of a powerful presentation they would make in the heart of Judaism. "you will be clothed with power." This is the declaration that the Davidic king had been enthroned in the resurrection itself. This is in Acts 2-4, and throughout, without a single trace of a 'rulership of the nations' anywhere in Acts (except negatively in ch 26, where they have failed to realize what the resurrection means).

That is why there is no rulership over the nations anywhere in the NT. There is the mission of this same enthroned messiah, and Israel broke itself by rejecting it.

Please see my THE ENTHRONED KING and THE COVENANT REVOLT at Amazon. M. Sanford.

The Messiah brought justification from our sins. When we think he was about something else, we ruin the meaning of the NT. "By His accomplishment, My Servant will justify many." Is. 53.

 

[Marilyn C]

He did, and he said more there than meets the eye. As a category, it is off limits, so why are you devoted to it?

The next line says the priestly clothing of the kingdom of priests was to be upon them in the form of a powerful presentation they would make in the heart of Judaism. "you will be clothed with power." This is the declaration that the Davidic king had been enthroned in the resurrection itself. This is in Acts 2-4, and throughout, without a single trace of a 'rulership of the nations' anywhere in Acts (except negatively in ch 26, where they have failed to realize what the resurrection means).

That is why there is no rulership over the nations anywhere in the NT. There is the mission of this same enthroned messiah, and Israel broke itself by rejecting it.

Please see my THE ENTHRONED KING and THE COVENANT REVOLT at Amazon. M. Sanford.

The Messiah brought justification from our sins. When we think he was about something else, we ruin the meaning of the NT. "By His accomplishment, My Servant will justify many." Is. 53.

What do you mean `as a category it is off limits? ` Not sure what topic you mean?

`And the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. ` (Rev. 21: 24)

 

[EarlyActs]

What do you mean `as a category it is off limits? ` Not sure what topic you mean?

`And the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it. ` (Rev. 21: 24)

Jesus disciples were to stop trying to figure it out. Why are thousands of "experts" books today about 'figuring it out'?

 

[EarlyActs]

Jesus disciples were to stop trying to figure it out. Why are thousands of "experts" books today about 'figuring it out'?

He actually did explain the actual kingdom (Dan 2 etc), which is that they were endowed with priestly clothes and a message about his reign (Acts 1:9): he deserves all honor by all rulers and fishermen alike. Acts 2:30 is Davidic. This kind of reign is further expressed in ch 3 and 4.

See THE ENTHRONED KING at Amazon, M. Sanford.