Is Total Depravity a required belief?

[David1701]

So just for the record, absolutely NOBODY that lived and died prior to the resurrection was saved …
(that is the problem with man-made rules about what GOD cannot do).

What are you talking about??? We were discussing the New Covenant situation, not the Old Covenant.

 

[David1701]

Hey, that was impressive ... how you came up with relevant verses.


"in Him we live and breathe and have our being" ... He was/is the First cause before and after Pentecost.
It's not like anyone does not have the Spirit causing them to exist (John 34:14-15) no matter what the time period. It's not like God is not the First Cause of even an atheist. Best I can tell is the verses means God is in His kids (us) to benefit (everything worketh for good) whereas God is also the First Cause of an atheist but the benefits for said atheist are few.

In the Old Covenant, the Holy Spirit came upon people at times (there are occasional references to Him being in a person, but there is no indication of permanency).

King David asked God not to take the Holy Spirit from him (another indication that, whether with or in, this could be temporary). The Holy Spirit departed from King Saul.

Jesus told his disciples that the Holy Spirit was with them, but would be in them.

We are told that, in the New Covenant, every member of that Covenant will know God, from the least to the greatest; whereas, only a selected few were said to know God, in the Old Covenant.

No unbeliever is every said to have the Holy Spirit within him, never mind indwelling.