Is Jesus God?

[TonyChanYT]

Jesus healed a man (B1) born blind in John 9:

35 Jesus heard that they [the Pharisees] had cast him [B1] out, and having found him he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” 36He answered, “And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?” 37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.

B1 thought Jesus was God.

Paul thought Jesus was God, Romans 9:

5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise! Amen.

Is Jesus = God?

The equal sign carries mathematical import. In some sense, this is true; in some other sense, it is not. It is better to stick to the Bible's wording and not over-generalize. God (or Godhead) is a complex concept in the Bible. God and Jesus are distinct manifestations.

Jesus says in Luke‬ ‭8:

39‬ "Return to your home, and declare how much God has done for you." And he went away, proclaiming throughout the whole city how much Jesus had done for him.

The above is a significant parallel between God and Jesus.

The church obtained by Jesus is the church of God in Acts 20:

28 Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

Paul describes some bodily mechanics in Colossians 1:

19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Jesus]

Colossians 2:

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,

Titus 2:

13 [We are] waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

The phrase could refer to one or two entities. Either way is fine.

2 Peter 1 echoes the same concept:

1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

Christ is God.

John agrees. The Lord God says in Rev 1:

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.

Jesus says in Rev 22:

12 “Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Both the Lord God and Jesus have the title "the Alpha and the Omega".

How can a man be God?

Numbers 23:

19a God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind.

Let statement H = ∀h, if h is a human, then h is not God.

One can produce logical proofs/evidences that Jesus was a human because Jesus was born a man. But then, we cannot apply H to Jesus. Jesus is the unique exception to that rule.

At the same time, one can also find logical proofs that Jesus is God because he is.

How do I resolve the issue?

I look at two sets of proofs/evidences/arguments:

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus is not God, ignoring the ones that merely prove that Jesus was a man.

I assign a weight to each argument in the two sets according to this weighting scheme: I overweigh direct statements over implied conclusions. I overweigh simple arguments over complicated ones.

So far, according to my weighting, Jesus is God comfortably outweighs the opposite.

BTW, I have not heard of proof of "Jesus is not God" that I didn't already know ten years ago, i.e., in the last ten years, I haven't heard anything new concerning Jesus is not God.

Next, is Jesus the Son of God?

John 10:

36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

Jesus claims that he is the Son of God.

How can Jesus be both God and Son of God?

Some Jews had no trouble with that kind of logic.

Jesus continued:

38b "even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father.”

Yes, this is a first-order logical mystery. By faith, I believe that Jesus is God and the Son of God. This is a divine nature mystery.

See also

• Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ
• The only begotten God
• The one and only Son, who is Himself God
• In the epistles, Jesus is often treated as God
• Did Jesus know that he was God?
• Why did Jesus not say explicitly that he was God in the Gospels?
• If Jesus was God, why …?
• No one is good—except God alone
• Did the disciples know that Jesus was God before his resurrection?

 

[Runningman]

Jesus healed a man (B1) born blind in John 9:


B1 thought Jesus was God.

??

Have you actually read John 9 before? Please don’t shamelessly post dishonest things here. Yes Jesus healed him, but the blind man didn’t think or say Jesus is God. He called Jesus a man in John 9:11 and a prophet in verse 17 and a man from God in verse 33.

Paul thought Jesus was God, Romans 9:

Not here either.

Is Jesus = God?

No one in the Bible believed that.

The equal sign carries mathematical import. In some sense, this is true; in some other sense, it is not. It is better to stick to the Bible's wording and not over-generalize. God (or Godhead) is a complex concept in the Bible. God and Jesus are distinct manifestations.

Jesus says in Luke‬ ‭8:


The above is a significant parallel between God and Jesus.

The church obtained by Jesus is the church of God in Acts 20:


Paul describes some bodily mechanics in Colossians 1:


Colossians 2:


Titus 2:


The phrase could refer to one or two entities. Either way is fine.

2 Peter 1 echoes the same concept:


Christ is God.

John agrees. The Lord God says in Rev 1:


Jesus says in Rev 22:


Both the Lord God and Jesus have the title "the Alpha and the Omega".

How can a man be God?

Numbers 23:


Let statement H = ∀h, if h is a human, then h is not God.

One can produce logical proofs/evidences that Jesus was a human because Jesus was born a man. But then, we cannot apply H to Jesus. Jesus is the unique exception to that rule.

At the same time, one can also find logical proofs that Jesus is God because he is.

How do I resolve the issue?

I look at two sets of proofs/evidences/arguments:

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus is not God, ignoring the ones that merely prove that Jesus was a man.

I assign a weight to each argument in the two sets according to this weighting scheme: I overweigh direct statements over implied conclusions. I overweigh simple arguments over complicated ones.

So far, according to my weighting, Jesus is God comfortably outweighs the opposite.

BTW, I have not heard of proof of "Jesus is not God" that I didn't already know ten years ago, i.e., in the last ten years, I haven't heard anything new concerning Jesus is not God.

Next, is Jesus the Son of God?

John 10:


Jesus claims that he is the Son of God.

How can Jesus be both God and Son of God?

Some Jews had no trouble with that kind of logic.

Jesus continued:


Yes, this is a first-order logical mystery. By faith, I believe that Jesus is God and the Son of God. This is a divine nature mystery.

See also

• Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ
• The only begotten God
• The one and only Son, who is Himself God
• In the epistles, Jesus is often treated as God
• Did Jesus know that he was God?
• Why did Jesus not say explicitly that he was God in the Gospels?
• If Jesus was God, why …?
• No one is good—except God alone
• Did the disciples know that Jesus was God before his resurrection?

Your post is difficult to follow. How can one expect to know what you’re talking about when you admit it’s a mystery that you admit you don’t understand, but rather it’s your belief?

 

[Fred]

He called Jesus a man in John 9:11 and a prophet in verse 17 and a man from God in verse 33.

...and then worshiped Him in verse 38.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Please don’t shamelessly post dishonest things here.

Let proposition P1 = Jesus is God.

Is P1 true?

 

[Runningman]

Let proposition P1 = Jesus is God.

Is P1 true?

No.

 

[TonyChanYT]

No.

See https://christcentered.community.fo...at-jesus-is-god-and-wish-to-wager-on-it.1809/ and follow up there

 

[Keiw1]

Jesus healed a man (B1) born blind in John 9:


B1 thought Jesus was God.

Paul thought Jesus was God, Romans 9:


Is Jesus = God?

The equal sign carries mathematical import. In some sense, this is true; in some other sense, it is not. It is better to stick to the Bible's wording and not over-generalize. God (or Godhead) is a complex concept in the Bible. God and Jesus are distinct manifestations.

Jesus says in Luke‬ ‭8:


The above is a significant parallel between God and Jesus.

The church obtained by Jesus is the church of God in Acts 20:


Paul describes some bodily mechanics in Colossians 1:


Colossians 2:


Titus 2:


The phrase could refer to one or two entities. Either way is fine.

2 Peter 1 echoes the same concept:


Christ is God.

John agrees. The Lord God says in Rev 1:


Jesus says in Rev 22:


Both the Lord God and Jesus have the title "the Alpha and the Omega".

How can a man be God?

Numbers 23:


Let statement H = ∀h, if h is a human, then h is not God.

One can produce logical proofs/evidences that Jesus was a human because Jesus was born a man. But then, we cannot apply H to Jesus. Jesus is the unique exception to that rule.

At the same time, one can also find logical proofs that Jesus is God because he is.

How do I resolve the issue?

I look at two sets of proofs/evidences/arguments:

1. Jesus is God.
2. Jesus is not God, ignoring the ones that merely prove that Jesus was a man.

I assign a weight to each argument in the two sets according to this weighting scheme: I overweigh direct statements over implied conclusions. I overweigh simple arguments over complicated ones.

So far, according to my weighting, Jesus is God comfortably outweighs the opposite.

BTW, I have not heard of proof of "Jesus is not God" that I didn't already know ten years ago, i.e., in the last ten years, I haven't heard anything new concerning Jesus is not God.

Next, is Jesus the Son of God?

John 10:


Jesus claims that he is the Son of God.

How can Jesus be both God and Son of God?

Some Jews had no trouble with that kind of logic.

Jesus continued:


Yes, this is a first-order logical mystery. By faith, I believe that Jesus is God and the Son of God. This is a divine nature mystery.

See also

• Blessed be THE GOD AND FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ
• The only begotten God
• The one and only Son, who is Himself God
• In the epistles, Jesus is often treated as God
• Did Jesus know that he was God?
• Why did Jesus not say explicitly that he was God in the Gospels?
• If Jesus was God, why …?
• No one is good—except God alone
• Did the disciples know that Jesus was God before his resurrection?

Jesus has a God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12---God does NOT have a God---Worship to Jesus in error filled trinity translations mislead. The Greek word Proskenaue has 5 different meanings--1) Worship to God, 2)Obesiance to a king--3) Honor to a judge and 2 others.
The bible writers knew 100% Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7) thus did NOT put worship, but put obesiance to Gods appointed king.=100% fact.
Not only are trinity translations erred, but by satans will removed Gods name in over 7000 places against Gods will. All done to mislead one to not enter Gods kingdom.

 

[prism]

Paul thought Jesus was God, Romans 9:

Are you saying the Holy Spirit didn't know if Jesus is God???

2 Timothy 3:16 NKJV
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2 Peter 3:15-16 NKJV
and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, [16] as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Jesus has a God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12---God does NOT have a God---Worship to Jesus in error filled trinity translations mislead. The Greek word Proskenaue has 5 different meanings--1) Worship to God, 2)Obesiance to a king--3) Honor to a judge and 2 others.
The bible writers knew 100% Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7) thus did NOT put worship, but put obesiance to Gods appointed king.=100% fact.
Not only are trinity translations erred, but by satans will removed Gods name in over 7000 places against Gods will. All done to mislead one to not enter Gods kingdom.

Thanks for the reference. This is how to do referencing and quotation in a scholarly manner:

1. Display and indent the relevant text.
2. Selectively bold the particular keywords that are important to your point. There is no need to bold the entire sentence. Have a laser-sharp focus.
3. Be concise and precise to the point. No need to quote the whole paragraph.

I do this for others who read my posts. It is a standard high-school scholarship. If you practice this, I guarantee it will sharpen your analytical thinking. In any case, no one is required to do it. I prefer to debate with people who do.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Are you saying the Holy Spirit didn't know if Jesus is God???

No.

 

[Mr GLee]

Let proposition P1 = Jesus is God.

Is P1 true?

It has more to do with defining words

.Both . Jesus meaning Savior. Jesus ,Son of man dying mankind .And Savior Jesus Christ . Christ meaning the anointing teacher as the invisible

The Father as Savior anointing the Son Jesus. Two saviors working as one ( dynamic dual ) Let us (Elohim )2 working as one

The word Christ belong to the Father the one with powerful faith

Jesus the Christ. The Father working in the Son of man

When they they finished displaying the gospel of the world . The Son of man Jesus left. He like all believer will be raised on the last Day. Christ God is not a man

1 Corihtinans 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

 

[Fred]

Worship to Jesus in error filled trinity translations mislead.

In John 14:14 of the JW 'Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures the "me" is there.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/14#s=14&study=discover

But because asking Jesus after He ascended constitutes praying to Him the JW's in their New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures drop the "me" in John 14:14.

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Guess what? The JW's don't believe in praying to Jesus, so it isn't surprising why the "me" was dropped.

 

[Keiw1]

In John 14:14 of the JW 'Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures the "me" is there.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/14#s=14&study=discover

But because asking Jesus after He ascended constitutes praying to Him the JW's in their New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures drop the "me" in John 14:14.

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Guess what? The JW's don't believe in praying to Jesus, so it isn't surprising why the "me" was dropped.

That has 0 to do with my post. You have no answer to truth.

 

[Fred]

That has 0 to do with my post. You have no answer to truth.

A translation by the JW's affirms the worship of Jesus.

Classic!

 

[Keiw1]

A translation by the JW's affirms the worship of Jesus.

Classic!

Stop trying to deceive people. JW,s corrected that trinity error years ago and YOU KNOW IT deceiver.

 

[Mr GLee]

In John 14:14 of the JW 'Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures the "me" is there.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/int/43/14#s=14&study=discover

But because asking Jesus after He ascended constitutes praying to Him the JW's in their New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures drop the "me" in John 14:14.

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Guess what? The JW's don't believe in praying to Jesus, so it isn't surprising why the "me" was dropped.

It would seem praying to the Christ the anointing Father is correct . Paying to the Son of man Jesus not correct

John 4: 31-34 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat. But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.
Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

He prayed, Father give me today the daily bread . . .strengthen me.

 

[Fred]

Stop trying to deceive people. JW,s corrected that trinity error years ago and YOU KNOW IT deceiver.

It's still in their Kingdom Interlinear.

Open your eyes.

 

[Fred]

It would seem praying to the Christ the anointing Father is correct . Paying to the Son of man Jesus not correct

The Son of Man is the proper recipient of 'pelach' (Daniel 7:14).
One of the ways of rendering 'pelach' is by prayer (Daniel 6:10, 16).
Thus, the Son of Man is the proper recipient of prayer.

 

[prism]

No.

Then why did you say, "Paul thought Jesus was God, Romans 9:?"

 

[Keiw1]

The Son of Man is the proper recipient of 'pelach' (Daniel 7:14).
One of the ways of rendering 'pelach' is by prayer (Daniel 6:10, 16).
Thus, the Son of Man is the proper recipient of prayer.

Jesus said--You MUST pray then this way--Our FATHER.