Is Jesus God?

[Keiw1]

That's what happens when you worship a false god.

God cannot be mocked.

Most trin church people don't even know that Trinity is not in the Bible because they don't read the Bible themselves.

Thats because the blind guides tell them--you are saved, so they do nothing.

 

[Mr GLee]

We are told to forgive one another's sins. Are we God?

“If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."

Jesus forgives us of our sins and that doesn't mean he is God.

Jesus the Son of man is not God . Christ the Father alone is .

 

[donadams]

Jesus was NEVER with Catholicism-Her bloodguilt has amassed to the heavens. Did you miss that the Catholic leaders signed the concordance with Adolf Hitler promising to put him in power( fact of history)--Not only that, they allowed Catholic young men to kill for Adolf Hitler, kill Catholics standing on the allied side=pure darkness. While the blind guide clergy prayed to the same god on both sides= pure hypocrisy. Telling both sides God was on their side=pure lie. Even after they saw Hitler was a satanistic mass murderer, they continued to do so. You best relook.
Your previous pope was forced to resign because his male secretary was his lover.
They basically are telling Jesus-Go to hell we will not do this( Matt 23:9)= Call no man on earth Father(in a spiritual teacher sense) for one is your Father the heavenly one.) Yet the Priests are called Father. The pope elevates himself into Gods position by being called holy Father--He fathered 0 spiritual things. God Fathered all of them.
You best relook sir.
As well, statues, icons and graven images are forbidden, yet their churches and homes are filled with all 3.

Mit brennender Sorge, issued by Pius XI in 1937, was the first papal encyclical written in German. In its content, the Pope accused the Nazi regime of sowing "fundamental hostility to Christ and His Church".

At the end of the Second World War, Pope Pius XII was universally acclaimed for his courageous leadership. The Jewish historian Pinchas Lapide acknowledged that the Church saved the lives of 850,000 Jews in Slovakia, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary. Rome’s chief rabbi, Israel Zolli, converted to Catholicism. To thank and honor Pope Pius XII, he took the name Eugenio, after Eugenio Pacelli, the pope’s birth name.

When Pius XII died, Israel’s Foreign Minister Golda Meir wrote, “When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims.” Leonard Bernstein asked the audience at a performance of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra for a minute of silence “for the passing of a very great man, Pope Pius XII.”

After the Germans occupied Rome in October 1943, Heinrich Himmler ordered that the “Final Solution” be implemented there. “All 8,000 Roman Jews,” Hesemann reports, “regardless of age, sex, or state of health, were to be deported to the Reich ‘for the purpose of liquidation.’”

Hesemann discovered that on October 25, 1943, Pope Pius ordered in writing that “religious institutes and even the catacombs be opened for the Jews who were being persecuted by the Nazis.” The pope sent food from the Vatican to feed thousands housed in Catholic institutions. He spent his own money on medicine, clothes, and other necessities; and he posted guards to protect compounds.

Hundreds of Jews were hidden on Vatican territory including the pope’s summer residence, Castel Gandolfo. “Of the 7,705 Jews living in Rome on June 5, 1944, the day of the liberation by the Allies,” documents indicate 6,681 owed their rescue directly to the pope.

Those who have no truth must bring others down by their baseless accusations!

I suggest the Gregory Peck film “the scarlet and the black” based in the book the scarlet pimpernel of the Vatican, fr. O’flerity and the Vatican officials who saved thousands of American and British soldiers and thousands of Jews during the occupation of Rome by the dreaded gestopo, and the conversion to the catholic faith by the chief rabbi in Rome who took for his baptismal name that of the holy father himself!

Thanks

 

[Keiw1]

Mit brennender Sorge, issued by Pius XI in 1937, was the first papal encyclical written in German. In its content, the Pope accused the Nazi regime of sowing "fundamental hostility to Christ and His Church".

At the end of the Second World War, Pope Pius XII was universally acclaimed for his courageous leadership. The Jewish historian Pinchas Lapide acknowledged that the Church saved the lives of 850,000 Jews in Slovakia, Croatia, Romania, and Hungary. Rome’s chief rabbi, Israel Zolli, converted to Catholicism. To thank and honor Pope Pius XII, he took the name Eugenio, after Eugenio Pacelli, the pope’s birth name.

When Pius XII died, Israel’s Foreign Minister Golda Meir wrote, “When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims.” Leonard Bernstein asked the audience at a performance of the New York Philharmonic Orchestra for a minute of silence “for the passing of a very great man, Pope Pius XII.”

After the Germans occupied Rome in October 1943, Heinrich Himmler ordered that the “Final Solution” be implemented there. “All 8,000 Roman Jews,” Hesemann reports, “regardless of age, sex, or state of health, were to be deported to the Reich ‘for the purpose of liquidation.’”

Hesemann discovered that on October 25, 1943, Pope Pius ordered in writing that “religious institutes and even the catacombs be opened for the Jews who were being persecuted by the Nazis.” The pope sent food from the Vatican to feed thousands housed in Catholic institutions. He spent his own money on medicine, clothes, and other necessities; and he posted guards to protect compounds.

Hundreds of Jews were hidden on Vatican territory including the pope’s summer residence, Castel Gandolfo. “Of the 7,705 Jews living in Rome on June 5, 1944, the day of the liberation by the Allies,” documents indicate 6,681 owed their rescue directly to the pope.

Those who have no truth must bring others down by their baseless accusations!

I suggest the Gregory Peck film “the scarlet and the black” based in the book the scarlet pimpernel of the Vatican, fr. O’flerity and the Vatican officials who saved thousands of American and British soldiers and thousands of Jews during the occupation of Rome by the dreaded gestopo, and the conversion to the catholic faith by the chief rabbi in Rome who took for his baptismal name that of the holy father himself!

Thanks

My post is 100% fact of recorded history. They continued to kill for Hitler until the end. No matter what else they did, they failed Jesus 100%

This isn't proven fact but i believe personally, since Judaism and the JW,s were exposing the false trinity God and its religionsssssss, it was payment from Hitler to Catholicism to rid the world of Jehovah's servants for voting him into power.

 

[donadams]

My post is 100% fact of recorded history. They continued to kill for Hitler until the end. No matter what else they did, they failed Jesus 100%

This isn't proven fact but i believe personally, since Judaism and the JW,s were exposing the false trinity God and its religionsssssss, it was payment from Hitler to Catholicism to rid the world of Jehovah's servants for voting him into power.

Non-sense nothing but baseless accusations the black legend of the Protestants and subversion of the communists

 

[Keiw1]

Non-sense nothing but baseless accusations the black legend of the Protestants and subversion of the communists

History is there for all to see. The concordance signed by Catholicism upper clergy to put Hitler into power is there for all to see. Don't forget Italy was communist at that point in time.

 

[donadams]

History is there for all to see. The concordance signed by Catholicism upper clergy to put Hitler into power is there for all to see. Don't forget Italy was communist at that point in time.

Italy was facist not communists

Hitler was elected and took power in January 30 1933

Concordant was signed July 20 1933

Wrong on both accusations

 

[Keiw1]

Italy was facist not communists

Hitler was elected and took power in January 30 1933

Concordant was signed July 20 1933

Wrong on both accusations

Yes i just read it. Still the biggest problem was that they allowed Catholic young men to stand on both sides killing each other while praying to the same God on both sides--One of the biggest atrocities creation has ever witnessed, Jesus would never condone the real brothers of Christ to stand on both sides killing each other-proving they threw Jesus away to accomplish it. you see if they told the young men not to kill for Adolf Hitler, he wouldn't have had enough armies to attack anyone. But they did the same in the rev war, civil war, ww1. = pure darkness. Hitler had already begun stabbing Catholicism in the back prior to ww2 after signing that concordance. But still they threw Jesus away. Not really though, he was never with that religion.

 

[donadams]

Yes i just read it. Still the biggest problem was that they allowed Catholic young men to stand on both sides killing each other while praying to the same God on both sides--One of the biggest atrocities creation has ever witnessed, Jesus would never condone the real brothers of Christ to stand on both sides killing each other-proving they threw Jesus away to accomplish it. you see if they told the young men not to kill for Adolf Hitler, he wouldn't have had enough armies to attack anyone. But they did the same in the rev war, civil war, ww1. = pure darkness. Hitler had already begun stabbing Catholicism in the back prior to ww2 after signing that concordance. But still they threw Jesus away. Not really though, he was never with that religion.

A concordant only protects the church in the country
Allowed to function teach and administer sacraments not support war

 

[grace2]

Thats because the blind guides tell them--you are saved, so they do nothing.

Their leaders give them what they want to hear.

The Truth means nothing to them.

 

[Keiw1]

A concordant only protects the church in the country
Allowed to function teach and administer sacraments not support war

Catholicism clergy allowed the young men to stand on both sides through the whole war, killing each other for wicked men like Adolf Hitler= pure darkness. Millions slaughtered.

 

[witness1]

Jesus has a God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12---God does NOT have a God---Worship to Jesus in error filled trinity translations mislead. The Greek word Proskenaue has 5 different meanings--1) Worship to God, 2)Obesiance to a king--3) Honor to a judge and 2 others.
The bible writers knew 100% Jesus has a God( Psalm 45:7) thus did NOT put worship, but put obesiance to Gods appointed king.=100% fact.
Not only are trinity translations erred, but by satans will removed Gods name in over 7000 places against Gods will. All done to mislead one to not enter Gods kingdom.

Jesus is God because all things were made by Him and for Him all things were made. Jesus is eternal because He was slain before the foundation of the world, it was ordained by Him because He is the Word of God. God's words are eternal, His Word is the Truth. Jesus is God because He said so. He said he is the I Am. Jesus is the Father of us all. Jesus laid down His tangable body or life for all who would believe on Him. All the fullness of the God head dwells in Him. All who trust in Him are complete in Him. I can quote scripture but I am sure everyone is well aware of these truths or they would not be on this forum. The Lord Jesus Christ is God Almighty and He will return with all power and Glory.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus is God because all things were made by Him and for Him all things were made. Jesus is eternal because He was slain before the foundation of the world, it was ordained by Him because He is the Word of God. God's words are eternal, His Word is the Truth. Jesus is God because He said so. He said he is the I Am. Jesus is the Father of us all. Jesus laid down His tangable body or life for all who would believe on Him. All the fullness of the God head dwells in Him. All who trust in Him are complete in Him. I can quote scripture but I am sure everyone is well aware of these truths or they would not be on this forum. The Lord Jesus Christ is God Almighty and He will return with all power and Glory.

Jesus. . Joshua. . .Jehovah (savor) as Christ the anointing teaching Holy Spirit of our Father .(Emanuel) He demonstrated to the whole world his invisible power to "both" reveal his faithful understanding and empower us to do it to his good pleasure the hear and obey gospel . . (one thing)

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the invisible head with pleasure some murmur. What about me ? (Jonah).

Philippian 2:13;14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

The kind of food the disciples knew not of at first.

John 4:33-35King James Version Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work

 

[Keiw1]

Jesus is God because all things were made by Him and for Him all things were made. Jesus is eternal because He was slain before the foundation of the world, it was ordained by Him because He is the Word of God. God's words are eternal, His Word is the Truth. Jesus is God because He said so. He said he is the I Am. Jesus is the Father of us all. Jesus laid down His tangable body or life for all who would believe on Him. All the fullness of the God head dwells in Him. All who trust in Him are complete in Him. I can quote scripture but I am sure everyone is well aware of these truths or they would not be on this forum. The Lord Jesus Christ is God Almighty and He will return with all power and Glory.

Do you understand English? Col 1:16-by him= as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)--through him and for him= another had to do the creating.
Gen 1:27= HE created--not we.
Prov 8:27-28- HE created-Not we
Isaiah 40:26-HE created--not we.

Let us make man in our image= YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Jesus)--Us did not do the creating--HE= singular did the creating.

 

[fastfredy0]

Aside: the tangential question of vital importance is: Can one be saved and not believe Jesus is God? .... but, back to:

Is Jesus God?​

Jesus is Gof, the second person of the Trinity. This is proven in several ways.


Jesus Claimed To Be Divine

• John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.”
• John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
• John 10:38 “But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.”
• John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” 10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

The Apostles Taught that Jesus Was Divine

• Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
• Matthew 16:26 “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”
• Mark 1:1 “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
• Luke 1:35 “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
• John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
• John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
• John 20:31 “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
• Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; 7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. 8 After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross.
• Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
• Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

The Confession Of Others Concerning Christ’s Deity

• Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be
  upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
• Matthew 27:54 “Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”
• Luke 4:41 “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.”

The Sacred Title of God Applied to Christ Proves His Divinity

• Jesus is called Emmanuel in Matthew 1:23
• “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Mark 2:7
• Jesus is called God in John 20:28 Thomas answered Him, “My Lord and my God!”
• Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:11
• Jesus is called the King of kings and Lord of lords in 1 Timothy 6:15
• Titus 2:13 awaiting and confidently expecting the [fulfillment of our] blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus

The Works of Christ Prove His Deity
Miracles John 20:30, Resurrection Acts 2:32-36, Supernatural knowledge Matthew 9:4, His unique teachings Luke 4:22; 2:47

Stanford E. Murrell - A Foundation for Faith An Introductory Study of Systematic Theology

 

[Mr GLee]

Do you understand English? Col 1:16-by him= as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)--through him and for him= another had to do the creating.
Gen 1:27= HE created--not we.
Prov 8:27-28- HE created-Not we
Isaiah 40:26-HE created--not we.

Let us make man in our image= YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Jesus)--Us did not do the creating--HE= singular did the creating.

Yes the invisible head Christ .Not what he created flesh and blood. (dying)

The law of Christ faith our father working out his labor of Love.

"Let there be" and "it was our invisible God alone" . . . . who is our one good teaching master .

 

[Keiw1]

Aside: the tangential question of vital importance is: Can one be saved and not believe Jesus is God? .... but, back to:

Is Jesus God?​

Jesus is Gof, the second person of the Trinity. This is proven in several ways.


Jesus Claimed To Be Divine

• John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.”
• John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
• John 10:38 “But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.”
• John 14:9 “Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” 10 “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”

The Apostles Taught that Jesus Was Divine

• Matthew 1:23 “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
• Matthew 16:26 “For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”
• Mark 1:1 “The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
• Luke 1:35 “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”
• John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
• John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
• John 20:31 “But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
• Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; 7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. 8 After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross.
• Colossians 1:16 “For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
• Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

The Confession Of Others Concerning Christ’s Deity

• Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be
  upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
• Matthew 27:54 “Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”
• Luke 4:41 “And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.”

The Sacred Title of God Applied to Christ Proves His Divinity

• Jesus is called Emmanuel in Matthew 1:23
• “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Mark 2:7
• Jesus is called God in John 20:28 Thomas answered Him, “My Lord and my God!”
• Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:11
• Jesus is called the King of kings and Lord of lords in 1 Timothy 6:15
• Titus 2:13 awaiting and confidently expecting the [fulfillment of our] blessed hope and the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus

The Works of Christ Prove His Deity
Miracles John 20:30, Resurrection Acts 2:32-36, Supernatural knowledge Matthew 9:4, His unique teachings Luke 4:22; 2:47

Stanford E. Murrell - A Foundation for Faith An Introductory Study of Systematic Theology

God=YHVH(Jehovah)= the Father = did all the powerful works through Jesus-Acts 2:22--Jesus told you he can do 0 of his own( John 5:30)

 

[fastfredy0]

God=YHVH(Jehovah)= the Father = did all the powerful works through Jesus-Acts 2:22--Jesus told you he can do 0 of his own( John 5:30)

Perhaps you should study the hypostatic union to explain such statements.

 

[Keiw1]

Perhaps you should study the hypostatic union to explain such statements.

No need. They are simple to understand without twisting them into oblivion.

 

[Tambora]

Do you understand English? Col 1:16-by him= as Gods master worker( Prov 8:30)--through him and for him= another had to do the creating.
Gen 1:27= HE created--not we.
Prov 8:27-28- HE created-Not we
Isaiah 40:26-HE created--not we.

Let us make man in our image= YHVH(Jehovah) and his master worker( Jesus)--Us did not do the creating--HE= singular did the creating.

Do you understand Hebrew?
Ahhh, the old "singular" tactic.
Then get a load of this:

Genesis 48:14-16 LEB​

And Israel stretched out his right hand and put it on the head of Ephraim (now he was the younger), and his left hand on the head of Manasseh, crossing his hands, for Manasseh was the firstborn.​

And he blessed Joseph and said,​

"The God [ha-'elohim] before whom my fathers, Abraham and Isaac, walked, The God [ha-'elohim] who shepherded me all my life unto this day, The angel [ha-mal'ak] who redeemed me from all evil, may he bless the boys."​

he bless is singular verb form, combining The God and The angel as one unity blessing the boys.