How Do We honor God the Father in Worship?

[ChristB4us]

How do we honor God the Father in worship?

Poll provided.

Feel free to provide scriptures for your vote below.

 

[ChristB4us]

I voted #1

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[ChristB4us]

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41 I receive not honour from men. 42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[civic]

Jesus said the OT was about Himself

So I chose the first option in the poll

Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.


John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.


Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,


Jesus said the Holy Spirit will bear witness of HIM

John 15:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me

John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

hope this helps !!!

 

[fastfredy0]

I voted for everything.
Thus there are not three gods, but three persons, co-substantial, coeternal, and coequal; distinct with respect to hypostases, and with respect to order, the one preceding the other yet without any inequality. For according to the nature or essence they are so joined together that they are one God, and the divine nature is common to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Though there is a clear pattern of prayer directly to God the Father through the Son there are indications that prayer spoken directly to Jesus is also appropriate. The fact that it was Jesus himself who appointed all of the other apostles, suggests that the prayer in Acts 1:24 is addressed to him. The dying Stephen prays “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit (Acts 7:59). The prayer “Our Lord, come!” (1 Corinthians 16:22) is addressed to Jesus, as is the prayer in Revelation 22:20b. And Paul also prayed to “the Lord” in 2 Corinthians 12:8 concerning his thorn in the flesh. There is therefore clear enough scriptural warrant to encourage us to pray to the Son.

Though no prayers directly addressed to the Holy Spirit are recorded in the New Testament, there is nothing that would forbid such prayer, for the Holy Spirit, like the Father and Son, is fully God and is worthy of prayer and is powerful to answer our prayers. Author Unknown

 

[Manfred]

How do we honor God the Father in worship?

Poll provided.

Feel free to provide scriptures for your vote below.

Our worship should be shaped by the Trinity.

We worship God, who is one God, the only living and true God, who has revealed Himself to be God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God three persons, be sure to praise and adore all three eternal persons in one Godhead.

I believe that because of all the funny stuff going on in the world, the Holy Spirit gets a bad rap and we over-correct and neglect Him who dwells within us.
He is my Helper, and it is Him who leads me into all truth, who allows me to discern, who empowers me to preach the gospel. For that and more I worship Him.

 

[ChristB4us]

Jesus said the OT was about Himself

So I chose the first option in the poll

Luke 24:25-27
25 And He said to them, "O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 26 " Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?" 27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.


John 5:39-40
39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.


Luke 24:44-45
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,


Jesus said the Holy Spirit will bear witness of HIM

John 15:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.


John 16:7-9
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: 9 about sin, because people do not believe in me

John 16:13-14
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

hope this helps !!!

May God cause the increase!!!

FYI You may want to check the poll again as it did not register your vote yet.

 

[ChristB4us]

I voted for everything.
Thus there are not three gods, but three persons, co-substantial, coeternal, and coequal; distinct with respect to hypostases, and with respect to order, the one preceding the other yet without any inequality. For according to the nature or essence they are so joined together that they are one God, and the divine nature is common to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Though there is a clear pattern of prayer directly to God the Father through the Son there are indications that prayer spoken directly to Jesus is also appropriate. The fact that it was Jesus himself who appointed all of the other apostles, suggests that the prayer in Acts 1:24 is addressed to him. The dying Stephen prays “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit (Acts 7:59). The prayer “Our Lord, come!” (1 Corinthians 16:22) is addressed to Jesus, as is the prayer in Revelation 22:20b. And Paul also prayed to “the Lord” in 2 Corinthians 12:8 concerning his thorn in the flesh. There is therefore clear enough scriptural warrant to encourage us to pray to the Son.

Though no prayers directly addressed to the Holy Spirit are recorded in the New Testament, there is nothing that would forbid such prayer, for the Holy Spirit, like the Father and Son, is fully God and is worthy of prayer and is powerful to answer our prayers. Author Unknown

@ReverendRV & @Fred & @Manfred & @Bigknucklesandhands

I believe these scripture below forbids such prayers to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the comforter; not Another Mediator.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Anything the Holy Spirit does, He defers that credit & glory to Jesus Christ as serving as the Spirit of Christ in seeking Christ's glory.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

One thing you have to wonder about is that in all of these apostate movements of the "spirit" as assuming that was the Holy Spirit like in Azusa street Revival where the emphasis was on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, to slain in the spirit, or being frunk in the spirit, Toronto's Blessings, Pensacola outpouring, holy laughter movement, and even Ernest Angeley's healing Crusade where he would announce the "Holy Spirit" falling on already saved believers to cause them to fall backwards for their miracle they are seeking, all of this was done by focusing on the Holy Spirit in worship in honoring the Holy Spirit and praying to the Holy Spirit to come with that visitations of signs & lying wonders.
If you discern any of those movements as not of the Lord, then you have to discern why the devil would respond when they were addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer & in worship?

Then read again Jesus words in John 14:6,13-14 and maybe then you may discern that He really meant what He said for how we are to come to God the Father by and how the only way to honor Him by and that is by the only way provided and that is His Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus warned us for coming to the Father by any other door than just Him, even by broadening the door with the Holy Spirit.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So in spite of the miracles they are doing in His name, they had broadened the way in coming to God the Father by for why those apostate movements of the "spirit" are happening that God permit those strong delusions to occur for climbing up another way other than the Son for why they lose self control and fall backwards in those movements of the spirit.

Indeed, the offense to God the Father is that iniquity by not striving to enter through that straight gate in coming to God the Father by for why many will be left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

 

[Fred]

@ReverendRV & @Fred & @Manfred & @Bigknucklesandhands

I believe these scripture below forbids such prayers to the Holy Spirit

1 Kings 8:38-39 establishes that if one knows the hearts of all people then this constitutes being the proper recipient of prayer.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.



Does the Holy Spirit know the hearts of all people?
-- If yes, then He is the proper recipient of prayer.
-- If no, then He is not God.

 

[ChristB4us]

1 Kings 8:38-39 establishes that if one knows the hearts of all people then this constitutes being the proper recipient of prayer.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.



Does the Holy Spirit know the hearts of all people?
-- If yes, then He is the proper recipient of prayer.
-- If no, then He is not God.

Is the holy Spirit the High Priest at that throne of grace?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Did Jesus Christ say the Holy Spirit will also answer prayers? Or did He not say Who will answer prayers and why ?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Did not Paul narrow the way by assigning the only Mediator between God and men?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If you really believe the Holy Spirit can step outside of His role as the Comforter in also being Another Mediator at that throne of grace to be praying to, then why is the devil responding to prayers given to the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them in those apostate movements of the "spirit"?

 

[Fred]

Is the holy Spirit the High Priest at that throne of grace?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Did Jesus Christ say the Holy Spirit will also answer prayers? Or did He not say Who will answer prayers and why ?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Did not Paul narrow the way by assigning the only Mediator between God and men?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If you really believe the Holy Spirit can step outside of His role as the Comforter in also being Another Mediator at that throne of grace to be praying to, then why is the devil responding to prayers given to the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them in those apostate movements of the "spirit"?

Instead of a longwinded post that dodged my question, how about a shortwinded post that answers my question.

 

[ChristB4us]

Instead of a longwinded post that dodged my question, how about a shortwinded post that answers my question.

Your scripture reference is not aligning with your comments for why I gave that reply.

1 Kings 8:38-39 establishes that if one knows the hearts of all people then this constitutes being the proper recipient of prayer.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven...for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men.

How is that specifically referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit for why you had asked that question below?

Does the Holy Spirit know the hearts of all people?
-- If yes, then He is the proper recipient of prayer.
-- If no, then He is not God.

The reference said nothing about the Holy Spirit specifically for you to get that idea.

I'd say the Holy Spirit is God BUT No because He is not the Mediator but the Comforter.

And scripture designated only One Mediator and Who answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

The Father is not glorified in the Holy Spirit as if the holy Spirit is also answering prayers when anything the Holy Spirit does, He defers all credit & glory to Christ just as the scriptures does also. And so should you because by only honoring & glorifying the Son is how you honor & glorify the Father.

 

[Fred]

Another dodge.

Here it is again:
Does the Holy Spirit know the hearts of all people?

 

[Manfred]

@ReverendRV & @Fred & @Manfred & @Bigknucklesandhands

I believe these scripture below forbids such prayers to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit is the comforter; not Another Mediator.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.... 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Anything the Holy Spirit does, He defers that credit & glory to Jesus Christ as serving as the Spirit of Christ in seeking Christ's glory.
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

One thing you have to wonder about is that in all of these apostate movements of the "spirit" as assuming that was the Holy Spirit like in Azusa street Revival where the emphasis was on the baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues, to slain in the spirit, or being frunk in the spirit, Toronto's Blessings, Pensacola outpouring, holy laughter movement, and even Ernest Angeley's healing Crusade where he would announce the "Holy Spirit" falling on already saved believers to cause them to fall backwards for their miracle they are seeking, all of this was done by focusing on the Holy Spirit in worship in honoring the Holy Spirit and praying to the Holy Spirit to come with that visitations of signs & lying wonders.
If you discern any of those movements as not of the Lord, then you have to discern why the devil would respond when they were addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer & in worship?

Then read again Jesus words in John 14:6,13-14 and maybe then you may discern that He really meant what He said for how we are to come to God the Father by and how the only way to honor Him by and that is by the only way provided and that is His Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus warned us for coming to the Father by any other door than just Him, even by broadening the door with the Holy Spirit.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.... 7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

So in spite of the miracles they are doing in His name, they had broadened the way in coming to God the Father by for why those apostate movements of the "spirit" are happening that God permit those strong delusions to occur for climbing up another way other than the Son for why they lose self control and fall backwards in those movements of the spirit.

Indeed, the offense to God the Father is that iniquity by not striving to enter through that straight gate in coming to God the Father by for why many will be left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

I think, and I may be wrong "You are distinguishing between the personhood of the Godhead to such an extent that you are almost creating three Gods, with the Spirit being the lesser of the three"

This is what I truly believe:
1. God is sovereign and no purpose of His will be thwarted.
2. What God starts, He will see through to the end.
3. When we start to trust in self, and we take our eyes off the work that God is doing, then we are outside of the will of God.

There are many "wacky" things people do in the name of Christianity, and there is abuse in the use of the term Holy Spirit, however God through the Spirit indwelling the adopted sons and daughters is working in us to will and to work for His good pleasure. He gives discernment, and He has us in the palm of His hand. If our trust turns to self, and our abilities we will fail every time, and God will be right there in us to pick us up and continue with us on this road of sanctification.
He will not leave nor forsake the elect, and He will be glorified in that.

God is triune, and the Holy Spirit is as much God as the God the Father is God and God the Son is God.
Revere the three persons in one equally.
The Spirit glorifies the Son, the Son glorifies, God and God is glorified through the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect.

 

[ReverendRV]

I think, and I may be wrong "You are distinguishing between the personhood of the Godhead to such an extent that you are almost creating three Gods, with the Spirit being the lesser of the three"

This is what I truly believe:
1. God is sovereign and no purpose of His will be thwarted.
2. What God starts, He will see through to the end.
3. When we start to trust in self, and we take our eyes off the work that God is doing, then we are outside of the will of God.

There are many "wacky" things people do in the name of Christianity, and there is abuse in the use of the term Holy Spirit, however God through the Spirit indwelling the adopted sons and daughters is working in us to will and to work for His good pleasure. He gives discernment, and He has us in the palm of His hand. If our trust turns to self, and our abilities we will fail every time, and God will be right there in us to pick us up and continue with us on this road of sanctification.
He will not leave nor forsake the elect, and He will be glorified in that.

God is triune, and the Holy Spirit is as mruch God as the God the Father is God and God the Son is God.
Revere the three persons in one equally.
The Spirit glorifies the Son, the Son glorifies, God and God is glorified through the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect.

I agree. I've left our other usual Forum for this one. One reason is because many there would insist on Monologues, instead of Dialogues. I've got my eye on some Posters here who do not listen to Reason, and I'll eventually talk to the Admins about how to handle this Gray area. (maybe their reading between the lines will help). I believe Posters like that, run Posters away who want a fair discussion...

 

[civic]

I think, and I may be wrong "You are distinguishing between the personhood of the Godhead to such an extent that you are almost creating three Gods, with the Spirit being the lesser of the three"

This is what I truly believe:
1. God is sovereign and no purpose of His will be thwarted.
2. What God starts, He will see through to the end.
3. When we start to trust in self, and we take our eyes off the work that God is doing, then we are outside of the will of God.

There are many "wacky" things people do in the name of Christianity, and there is abuse in the use of the term Holy Spirit, however God through the Spirit indwelling the adopted sons and daughters is working in us to will and to work for His good pleasure. He gives discernment, and He has us in the palm of His hand. If our trust turns to self, and our abilities we will fail every time, and God will be right there in us to pick us up and continue with us on this road of sanctification.
He will not leave nor forsake the elect, and He will be glorified in that.

God is triune, and the Holy Spirit is as much God as the God the Father is God and God the Son is God.
Revere the three persons in one equally.
The Spirit glorifies the Son, the Son glorifies, God and God is glorified through the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect.

Do you believe there are different roles/functions within the 3 Persons of the Trinity

Thanks !

 

[civic]

Your scripture reference is not aligning with your comments for why I gave that reply.

How is that specifically referring to the Person of the Holy Spirit for why you had asked that question below?

The reference said nothing about the Holy Spirit specifically for you to get that idea.

I'd say the Holy Spirit is God BUT No because He is not the Mediator but the Comforter.

And scripture designated only One Mediator and Who answers prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

The Father is not glorified in the Holy Spirit as if the holy Spirit is also answering prayers when anything the Holy Spirit does, He defers all credit & glory to Christ just as the scriptures does also. And so should you because by only honoring & glorifying the Son is how you honor & glorify the Father.

Does the Son answer prayers ?

 

[Manfred]

Do you believe there are different roles/functions within the 3 Persons of the Trinity

Thanks !

Yes I do.
God remains one, and He ultimately fulfills all functions.

 

[ChristB4us]

I think, and I may be wrong "You are distinguishing between the personhood of the Godhead to such an extent that you are almost creating three Gods, with the Spirit being the lesser of the three"

This is what I truly believe:
1. God is sovereign and no purpose of His will be thwarted.
2. What God starts, He will see through to the end.
3. When we start to trust in self, and we take our eyes off the work that God is doing, then we are outside of the will of God.

There are many "wacky" things people do in the name of Christianity, and there is abuse in the use of the term Holy Spirit, however God through the Spirit indwelling the adopted sons and daughters is working in us to will and to work for His good pleasure. He gives discernment, and He has us in the palm of His hand. If our trust turns to self, and our abilities we will fail every time, and God will be right there in us to pick us up and continue with us on this road of sanctification.
He will not leave nor forsake the elect, and He will be glorified in that.

God is triune, and the Holy Spirit is as much God as the God the Father is God and God the Son is God.
Revere the three persons in one equally.
The Spirit glorifies the Son, the Son glorifies, God and God is glorified through the work of the Holy Spirit in the lives of the elect.

The problem here is why does God allow apostate movement occur when one is honoring the Holy Spirit or addressing the Holy Spirit in worship by prayers or hymns?

Why is God permitting strong delusion to occur when the focus is not on the Son in coming to & honoring the Father by?

Does this always happen? No. But that iniquity of broadening the way in the worship place is how one suffers a thief to break thru.

God the Father has to call sinners away from their idols and the spirits behind those idols to a personal reconciled relationship with Him through His Son. That is why scriptures and the indwelling holy Spirit in us is still pointing us to go to the Bridegroom to avoid committing spiritual adultery by allowing the spirits of the antichrist come in because our focus is on the Holy Spirit instead of Christ, which is what the spirit of the antichrist does in taking our eyes off of Christ by their visitations of signs & lying wonders.

So let us not allow that errant Nicene creed of 381 A.D. deter us from coming to God the Father in honoring Him by only honoring the Son in worship. That is the mind of Christ we are to have that why Paul says "wherefore" for the Philippians to do even in his absence.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[Manfred]

The problem here is why does God allow apostate movement occur when one is honoring the Holy Spirit or addressing the Holy Spirit in worship by prayers or hymns?

Where do you get this from?
The church is full of both wheat and chaff.
The enemy has sown the chaff. He does it with a purpose in mind.

Why is God permitting strong delusion to occur when the focus is not on the Son in coming to & honoring the Father by?

What does the word say? Why does He allow it.
It seems that you believe that God's purposes can be thwarted by man/men.
Do you not think those in the church of the Apostle John that left the church was under a strong delusion, and that God had a purpose in them being there! Do you not believe those were never of "us"

Does this always happen? No. But that iniquity of broadening the way in the worship place is how one suffers a thief to break thru.

Your focus seems to be on man and what man is able to do and how man is able to persevere, and not on the author and perfecter of faith.

God the Father has to call sinners away from their idols and the spirits behind those idols to a personal reconciled relationship with Him through His Son. That is why scriptures and the indwelling holy Spirit in us is still pointing us to go to the Bridegroom to avoid committing spiritual adultery by allowing the spirits of the antichrist come in because our focus is on the Holy Spirit instead of Christ, which is what the spirit of the antichrist does in taking our eyes off of Christ by their visitations of signs & lying wonders.

What?
This is one big contradiction in terms.
In your 1st sentence you are 100% correct, if you are talking about the elect prior to and up to their conversion. Then you go completely off the rails, and forget that the elect are well... elect, and that no force at all will be able to rip them from the Fathers hand.

You should shift your focus more towards the Holy Spirit being stronger than these other spirits trying to deceive.
You should also understand that not all who claim to be Christian are Christian, but rather that even when proclaiming to be we see that the enemy plants chaff, and we see people leaving because they were never wheat, but always chaff.

So let us not allow that errant Nicene creed of 381 A.D. deter us from coming to God the Father in honoring Him by only honoring the Son in worship. That is the mind of Christ we are to have that why Paul says "wherefore" for the Philippians to do even in his absence.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I believe you are afraid and neglect God the Spirit in fear, and not in faith.