How Are We Saved?

[Josheb]

All of Salvation by Grace is a Gift. Believing is because of Grace Acts 18:27

I would amend that to say, "All of salvation by grace through faith is a gift." Some read two separate clauses in the Ephesians two text and the synergists who do so then read the sinner's sinful cognitive and volitional faculties into the text but the text explicitly prohibits such a reading.

And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

I appreciate that but that word "through" makes the matter sticky. "Through" does not mean "caused." If it did the Ephesians 2:8 could be read to say we are saved by grace caused by faith and all those mentions of "through" in the epistolary could be replaced with the word "caused." The jailer's sinfully fleshly faith caused him to be saved.

Those mistakes should be avoided.

 

[Josheb]

Nor did I say that it did.

Nor did the other poster say "saved after faith.

Nor did I say that it did.

Just covering the base.



Can I hold you to the standard to which you hold others?

 

[Eleanor]

Nor did the other poster say "saved after faith.

Are you sure about that? See post #231.

Just covering the base.

Can I hold you to the standard to which you hold others?

And what is that standard, that I may answer your question?

 

[brightfame52]

I would amend that to say, "All of salvation by grace through faith is a gift." Some read two separate clauses in the Ephesians two text and the synergists who do so then read the sinner's sinful cognitive and volitional faculties into the text but the text explicitly prohibits such a reading.

I appreciate that but that word "through" makes the matter sticky. "Through" does not mean "caused." If it did the Ephesians 2:8 could be read to say we are saved by grace caused by faith and all those mentions of "through" in the epistolary could be replaced with the word "caused." The jailer's sinfully fleshly faith caused him to be saved.

Those mistakes should be avoided.

Yes it does means caused, its a New Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

And dia/through in Acts 18:27 is a prep which means:

a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional)

1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
   1. by reason of
   2. on account of
   3. because of for this reason
   4. therefore
   5. on this account

 

[Josheb]

Yes it does means caused...

No, it does not.

If it did then salvation would and could be caused by the still-sinful flesh.

, its a New Covenant Blessing Ezk 36:26-27

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

LOL! That last verse plainly states the Spirit is within the person first and just as explicitly states it is God causing the person to walk in His statues.

And dia/through in Acts 18:27 is a prep which means:

a primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through (in very wide applications, local, causal, or occasional)

1. the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
   1. by reason of
   2. on account of
   3. because of for this reason
   4. therefore
   5. on this account

Yes, and only one of the five options is causal. All the rest are correlative. That deliberate choosing one out of five options, and the one option that overtly contradicts the fact Eze. 36:27 explicitly reports the Spirit is first put within and it is God who is causal not the still-sinful flesh. is self-contradictory That one option is chosen and vigorously defended despite the fact Eph. 2:8 explicitly states salvation by grace through faith is NOT of yourself. Both the exegesis and the logic I just received fails.

Sinful flesh does not save itself from its own sinfulness and God does not depend upon sin to save from sin.

 

[brightfame52]

No, it does not.

If it did then salvation would and could be caused by the still-sinful flesh.

LOL! That last verse plainly states the Spirit is within the person first and just as explicitly states it is God causing the person to walk in His statues.

Yes, and only one of the five options is causal. All the rest are correlative. That deliberate choosing one out of five options, and the one option that overtly contradicts the fact Eze. 36:27 explicitly reports the Spirit is first put within and it is God who is causal not the still-sinful flesh. is self-contradictory That one option is chosen and vigorously defended despite the fact Eph. 2:8 explicitly states salvation by grace through faith is NOT of yourself. Both the exegesis and the logic I just received fails.

Sinful flesh does not save itself from its own sinfulness and God does not depend upon sin to save from sin.

You been shown !

 

[Josheb]

You been shown !

.....scripture-abusing falsehood after falsehood.

And I appreciate it because without being shown how twisted the flesh-based synergist soteriologies are some might not understand their error.

 

[prism]

I haven't read through 13 or 14 pages, I didn't see the answer I would have given, but I would say we are saved by the Trinity; by the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit through faith in the Son.

 

[brightfame52]

I haven't read through 13 or 14 pages, I didn't see the answer I would have given, but I would say we are saved by the Trinity; by the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit through faith in the Son.

I would say Salvation is of God, the Fathers Election, the Sons Redemption, the Spirits Sanctification or Regeneration, and Faith is the result of all Three, but particularly the Spirit, Faith or believing is the direct byproduct or fruit of the Spirit, hence Sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

So Faith/belief of the Truth is the fruit of the Salvation all Three Persons in the Godhead effects.