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Free Will

Be careful. It's not the law of attraction.
It’s a Matter of the Heart, what consumes your heart?

1-The hearts condition: Jeremiah 17:9- The heart is desperately wicked who can understand it? Galatians 5:17- the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want Proverbs 23:71-As a man thinks in his heart so is he – A man speaks from what fills his heart- Luke 6:45. Where your treasure is there you heart will be also. Matthew 6:21

2-Jesus said to the church in Ephesus: Revelations 2:4-5- I have this against you- you have left your first love, therefor remember from where you have fallen, repent and do the things you did at first- Jeremiah 2:2 - “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: “This is what the LORD says: “’I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the wilderness, through a land not sown.

3-What was it like when you first came to Christ and experienced His love? Remember what it was like when you pursued your first love or the one you married? How much time did you spend together? Asking questions getting to know each other better? Finding out what she liked, disliked, pleased her, made her happy, the things you did together, etc…… Those are the same types of things in our relationship with Jesus we should consider. That 1st love , seeking to spend time with our Lord getting to know Him through His word, prayer, fellowship, growing in our relationship with Him.

4- The hearts solution: Proverbs 3:5-6- Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Romans 12:1-2-Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Psalm 119:9-11- How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Your word.10 With all my heart I have sought You; Do not let me wander from Your commandments.11 Your word I have treasured in my heart, That I may not sin against You.
 
Correct, but Ro 12:2 does not state it is accomplished by our "thinking."
Here is a devotional I shared with our Thursday morning mens discipleship group on the topic and the elders and pastor affirmed everything below.

The Spirit and the Mind. A check up from the neck up! The Mind is a Battlefield.

Battlefield means the field or ground upon which a battle is fought. 2. and area of contention, conflict, or hostile opposition.” A battlefield is a place of hostile opposition. A battlefield is a place where battles are won and lost. Everyday – every moment – there is a battle going on in our minds between right and wrong, good and bad, God’s way or Satan’s way, the Spirit or the flesh. It is our wills that determine who wins control of our minds, and because actions follow thoughts, ultimately who wins control of our very lives

The enemy attacked Eve in her mind/reasoning and tried the same with Jesus. He tried to cause doubt with Gods word and succeeded with Eve (did God really say? And you will not surely die) and he failed with Jesus. He attacks us today in the same way. The sword of the spirit which is the word of God is our only offensive weapon and defense against our enemy. Jesus did not use Hid Divine power as God to defeat satan, He used the same means we have at our disposal to defeat the enemy- the Word of God!

1-We must know Gods Word- Jesus used Gods word against the enemy.

2-We must memorize Gods Word. Ps 119:11, Ps 37:31, Ps 40:8

3- We must meditate on Gods Word- Joshua 1:8, Ps 1:2, Ps 119:147-48

4- We must use Gods Word- John 14:26. It is written was Jesus’ response. Matt 4:1-11

5- We must train ourselves in Gods Word- discipline, training, practice. 1 Tim 4:7, 1 Cor 9:25-27, 2 Tim 2:1-7.

Sow a thought and you reap an action; sow an act and you reap a habit; sow a habit and you reap a character; sow a character and you reap a destiny.” Our destiny is tied directly to and starts with our thoughts.

Romans 8:5-14-
Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God

Colossians 3:1-10- Therefore, if you have been raised with Christ, keep seeking the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on the things that are above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.5 Therefore, treat the parts of your earthly body as dead to sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. 6 For it is because of these things that the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. 8 But now you also, rid yourselves of all of them: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene speech from your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you stripped off the old self with its evil practices, 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created it

1 Peter 1:13-16 Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.

Galatians 5:16-18- So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16- However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—

10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:3-5 For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. 4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

Romans 12:1-2-Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Ephesians 4:17-25-Now this I say and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart. 19 They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy to practice every kind of impurity. 20 But that is not the way you learned Christ!— 21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus, 22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, 24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.

Philippians 2:1-5 Therefore if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any common sharing in the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4 not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

Philippians 4:8-Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.

Proverbs 4:23- Be careful how you think; your life is shaped by your thoughts.

Proverbs 23:7
- As a man thinks in his heart so is he. Cf Deut 4:9, Proverbs 4. Col 3:23, Prov 22:29
 
It’s a Matter of the Heart, what consumes your heart?

1-The hearts condition: Jeremiah 17:9- The heart is desperately wicked who can understand it? Galatians 5:17- the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want Proverbs 23:71-As a man thinks in his heart so is he – A man speaks from what fills his heart- Luke 6:45. Where your treasure is there you heart will be also. Matthew 6:21

2-Jesus said to the church in Ephesus: Revelations 2:4-5- I have this against you- you have left your first love, therefor remember from where you have fallen, repent and do the things you did at first- Jeremiah 2:2 - “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem: “This is what the LORD says: “’I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the wilderness, through a land not sown.

3-What was it like when you first came to Christ and experienced His love? Remember what it was like when you pursued your first love or the one you married? How much time did you spend together? Asking questions getting to know each other better? Finding out what she liked, disliked, pleased her, made her happy, the things you did together, etc…… Those are the same types of things in our relationship with Jesus we should consider. That 1st love , seeking to spend time with our Lord getting to know Him through His word, prayer, fellowship, growing in our relationship with Him.

4- The hearts solution: Proverbs 3:5-6- Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight. Romans 12:1-2-Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Psalm 119:9-11- How can a young man keep his way pure? By keeping it according to Your word.10 With all my heart I have sought You; Do not let me wander from Your commandments.11 Your word I have treasured in my heart, That I may not sin against You.
Are you a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian? I would rather you said yes or no first than avoid a simple straightforward question. Thanks
 
Are you a Pentecostal or Charismatic Christian? I would rather you said yes or no first than avoid a simple straightforward question. Thanks
No I'm personally against the charismatic gifts as I believe they are no longer needed in the church.
 
They are part of the same election.

He foreknows whom he will choose, and then elects (chooses) them at a point in time when they arrive on earth in human birth.
Yes.

So if someone does not know the meaning of the word Predestined, they are out of the discussion.

Foreknowledge goes along with Predestination. It would make no sense if they didn't go together.

Frank Turek, a Christian Apologist, has attempted to change this simple, basic fact, into the idea that if you record a sports match on TV and watch it later, yet knew the outcome of the game score in the meantime, means that if you watch it you don't cause the events to happen but the outcome is certain. To me, this amounts to saying God knew the outcome anyway and that doesn't change his Foreknowledge based on any human criteria of choice.

Jesus said, "God knows what you will ask (in prayer) before you pray or say it."
 
No I'm personally against the charismatic gifts as I believe they are no longer needed in the church.
I'm confused by your position then. You said somewhere you grew up Calvinist and ditched it later in life. When were you saved and when did you ditch Calvinism?
 
As a man thinketh so us he in his heart . Your mind and heart must work together .
Agreed. And this why I do not believe in "free will" of any sort. We act out of our desires. The natural man will never will toward God. He, in fact, hates and resists God. Regenerate man cannot but will toward God. The will is fundamentally changed. In a salvific sense the regenerate man *will* choose ( Aha! ) God. He has no better choice and no "will" too choose otherwise.

Yeah yeah...we don't agree. S'okay. We'll worry and pray about each other on our own time. :)
 
I'm confused by your position then. You said somewhere you grew up Calvinist and ditched it later in life. When were you saved and when did you ditch Calvinism?
No I was saved as a Calvinist in 1980. I just recently left it a year ago
 
No I was saved as a Calvinist in 1980. I just recently left it a year ago
So you were a Calvinist that wasn't saved and then you were saved and remained a Calvinist until a year ago. What was it specifically that made you change your mind?
 
Here is a devotional I shared with our Thursday morning mens discipleship group on the topic and the elders and pastor affirmed everything below.
NIce job.

Do not let the world transform you from the outside, but let the Spirit transform you from within.
Renew both your mind and will to follow after the Spirit instead of the flesh.
To follow God's will is to follow his revealed will, especially in the NT.
 
So you were a Calvinist that wasn't saved and then you were saved and remained a Calvinist until a year ago. What was it specifically that made you change your mind?
I was a born again Calvinist in 1980 and I’m a born again now. I was given eternal life to temporal or conditional life but everlasting and unending life as a child of God. Being a Calvinist or Arminian has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s eternal life or being born of the Spirit.
 
I was a born again Calvinist in 1980 and I’m a born again now. I was given eternal life to temporal or conditional life but everlasting and unending life as a child of God. Being a Calvinist or Arminian has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s eternal life or being born of the Spirit.
Were you a Calvinist in belief before you were born again? Please just say yes or no.
 
I asked for a yes or no. So the answer was "yes"

That is important because it influences your belief system.
Except I no longer believe it . So did I lose my salvation ?

Did God unregenerate me, take away my new birth, my eternal life ?
 
his choice of whom being as unaccountable as the wind (Jn 3:3-8).
Unaccountable as the wind blows? :rolleyes: I truly don’t believe John 3:3-8 is referring to election.

In the passage below, Paul is talking about the elect:

Ephesians 1:12 "That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ."
 
If God puts His finger on you and chooses you before the universe even exists, did he also cancel it out later because He changed his mind about you based on your choices?

I don't think so.
God does not change His mind.
 
Unaccountable as the wind blows? :rolleyes: I truly don’t believe John 3:3-8 is referring to election.

In the passage below, Paul is talking about the elect:

Ephesians 1:12 "That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ."
And what gave them to trust in Christ? It was not their fallen nature.
 
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