Believers Baptism

[Carbon]

No im no expert of other mens faith

I appreciate your honesty.

 

[CrowCross]

You see, it comes down to exactly what baptism means. What does it achieve?
I believe it represents the church in the Covenant of Grace, the NT. Just as circumcision was in the OT.

I agree. The Presbyterian Church baptizes infants saying circumcision has been replaced.

 

[CrowCross]

Mk 13:13 matt 24:13

Suffering persecution

Eternal salvation

There is more

Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

Colossians 2:5
For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

Jn 15:1-5 abide in Christ

John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

Galatians 5:5
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

1 Thessalonians 3:5
For this cause, when I could no longer forbear, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter have tempted you, and our labour be in vain.

1 Timothy 2:15
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Can’t lose your salvation while still in this world:

Acts 1: 18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

19 And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Jn 15:1-5 abide

Matt 24:12 endure

Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

Colossians 2:5
For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end.

Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

Nice list...OK??????

Endures to the end is surrounded by "tribulation" talk.
Your list pretty much means nothing in that context.

 

[Carbon]

I agree. The Presbyterian Church baptizes infants saying circumcision has been replaced.

I'm glad we are in agreement here.

 

[CrowCross]

I'm glad we are in agreement here.

We're in agreement with more than you think. Someday I'll see you in the pre-trib rapture.

 

[Carbon]

We're in agreement with more than you think.

I'm sure we are brother.

Someday I'll see you in the pre-trib rapture.

If we are still here when the tribulation heats up, don't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Carbon]

@CrowCross If by some chance you're correct. If I see you on the way up, ill try to remember to wave.

 

[CrowCross]

I'm sure we are brother.

If we are still here when the tribulation heats up, don't say I didn't warn you.

I think prior to the rapture things are gonna get pretty nasty. After the christians are removed and the intercessory prayers cease...things get real nasty.

 

[donadams]

Paul is teaching about Law and the gospel. You are not saved by your works. Read it again.

Where do you get this concept from? Surely not scripture.

From your Church maybe?

But you do because it is who you are, once you are in Christ.

Serious sin causes separation from Christ and grace

 

[donadams]

I have read some pretty good stuff concerning these things. The RC perspective, the Protestant perspective, and the mixture of both.

I especially like best that scripture interprets scripture. It' all in harmony with itself. And the Apocrypha just don't harmonize.

Why does the new quote from the seven books so much?

It is the apostolic authority that decided which books are the inspired word of God

The church received the word from Christ in person and preached the inspired word for 30 years before it was written

 

[donadams]

He is the only begotten Son. Is he not?

Then all men are redeemed

 

[donadams]

Whats hebrews got to do with yhe trib. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end.

Rev 2:13 faithful martyr
Had to remain faithful to death

 

[donadams]

So, you believe, that even though Jesus paid the full price of your penalty, you can still be charged for it and condemned? Do you believe once man becomes a Christian, now God expects you to live a perfect life?

We must abide in n christ and endure to death the end

Faithful to the end

 

[Carbon]

Then all men are redeemed

No, what makes you think that? What does redeem mean to you?

 

[Mr GLee]

It is the apostolic authority that decided which books are the inspired word of God

Hi Don..

Apostle. . . sent messenger, with no other meaning added (UPS, FED X, Pony express, Amazon, arrant boys and girls, Uber ).

Destroy the intended meaning of a single words it destroys the authority of the author

The lord set up a loving law to protect the integrity of his authority his living word.

.Deuteronomy 4:2 King James Version Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it,(singular) that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

It is those who puff up dying mankind (apostles) above sola scriptura. those that have changed the clear meaning "sent messengers" into high venerable puffed up patron saints. . hers and his goods

Cannon assemblers. . dying making ?

How foolish would it be to think the Pope makes men different declaring a the legion of patrons saints worker with the legion of familiar spirits .

Born again believers as apostles have received eternal life. The puffed up ones would not say they received it freely with no cost on our behalf. The fullness of grace the full price of redemption and not just for Mary who some call the queen of heaven teaching she alone received the fulness. If all received it that was the case goodbye limbo purgatory

The Holy Spirit that moved men of old assembled the canon one word at a time .He is not served by the dying hands a will of puffed up mankind Playing Queen of the hill with other sects

1 Corinthians 4:6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure(parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men (Peter) above that which is written, (sola scriptura) that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who (Pope)maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

1 Corinthians 34 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. the living temple not made with humans hands as a will

We can preach, plant the born again seed of the living word and water it with the gospel.

But Almighty God alone is the one good teachings master our comforter bringing all things previously taught to or minds

John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Apostle "sent messengers" (UPS, FED X, Pony express, Amazon, arrant boys and girls ).

How beautiful are the feet of the apostles Abel .

 

[Mr GLee]

Then all men are redeemed

What abut those in Limbo for younger sinners and Purgatory the more mature . . the doctrine of wondering ? How long?

 

[donadams]

What abut those in Limbo for younger sinners and Purgatory the more mature . . the doctrine of wondering ? How long?

Redemption is not salvation only the beginning

 

[donadams]

No, what makes you think that? What does redeem mean to you?

Cos Christ is the redeemer of the world

 

[Carbon]

Whats hebrews got to do with yhe trib. Hebrews 3:4-6:

I give up. What does it have to do with it?

 

[Carbon]

We must abide in n christ and endure to death the end

Faithful to the end

And a genuine Christian will endure. God promised to finish what He started in us. Don't you have confidence in that?