Believers Baptism

[makesends]

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Does this mean baptism?

You mean salvific water baptism? No. To me, it is referring to first birth (born in the flesh) and re-birth (by the Spirit).

Luke 22:19
And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Is it really His body and blood?

No, rather obviously.

Matt 16:16-18
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Peter’s person or peter’s confession of faith?

WHAT are you asking me? Are you asking what the "rock" is in "upon this rock" —asking if it is Peter's person or Peter's confession of faith? How about neither. Why do you only present two options?

While your at it from scripture alone i would like to know the 2nd commandment

Thks

What in the world are you trying to do here? Your tone presents it as further argument, but all I can make of it is red herrings.

We both know what the second commandment is. Why do you bring it up in this context? I can only guess that whole post, previous (#98), was to demonstrate that someone has to administer the sacraments. So what? How does that mean the Catholic Church has moral authority over its members, and interpretive authority over Scriptures, and Theological authority over both its members and the Scriptures?

But don't make me guess. I don't like that. I don't need it.


Once again, OUT WITH YOUR POINT, MAN!

 

[donadams]

You mean salvific water baptism? No. To me, it is referring to first birth (born in the flesh) and re-birth (by the Spirit).

No, rather obviously.

WHAT are you asking me? Are you asking what the "rock" is in "upon this rock" —asking if it is Peter's person or Peter's confession of faith? How about neither. Why do you only present two options?

What in the world are you trying to do here? Your tone presents it as further argument, but all I can make of it is red herrings.

We both know what the second commandment is. Why do you bring it up in this context? I can only guess that whole post, previous (#98), was to demonstrate that someone has to administer the sacraments. So what? How does that mean the Catholic Church has moral authority over its members, and interpretive authority over Scriptures, and Theological authority over both its members and the Scriptures?

But don't make me guess. I don't like that. I don't need it.


Once again, OUT WITH YOUR POINT, MAN!

From scripture alone we cannot agree on what these mean, any meaning applied to scripture or interpretation would constitute “an authority” and your doctrine is that “scripture is the only authority”!

Jn 3:5 refers to baptism
No man can be justified in Christ without baptism

This is my body
Yes really

Christ blessed Peter’s person and gave the keys to peter not his confession of faith

The 2nd commandment is “thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain

Thks

 

[makesends]

From scripture alone we cannot agree on what these mean, any meaning applied to scripture or interpretation would constitute “an authority” and your doctrine is that “scripture is the only authority”!

Funny, that —Scripture interprets Scripture, Scripture limits and informs our understanding, not to mention that Spirit himself witnesses, convicts teaches and comforts. GOD forgives, according to Scripture, but you put all that on the priests and their betters.

Jn 3:5 refers to baptism
No man can be justified in Christ without baptism

Scripture proving that? Or even a line of logic to show it? And please, not by leading me down your trail. Just present it.

This is my body
Yes really

No, really.

Christ blessed Peter’s person and gave the keys to peter not his confession of faith

So what's the point? And where is the succession after Peter, even if was Peter? And how does keys to the Kingdom, (even if it IS only Peter and his successors), mean what you take it to mean?

The 2nd commandment is “thou shalt not take the Lord’s name in vain

"And the second is like unto it: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

But what is your point with what you say it is?

Thks

 

[donadams]

Funny, that —Scripture interprets Scripture, Scripture limits and informs our understanding, not to mention that Spirit himself witnesses, convicts teaches and comforts. GOD forgives, according to Scripture, but you put all that on the priests and their betters.

Scripture proving that? Or even a line of logic to show it? And please, not by leading me down your trail. Just present it.

No, really.

So what's the point? And where is the succession after Peter, even if was Peter? And how does keys to the Kingdom, (even if it IS only Peter and his successors), mean what you take it to mean?

"And the second is like unto it: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

But what is your point with what you say it is?

Jn 20:21-23 forgive sin

Jn 3:22 they went to the river and baptized

The successors are required to continue to obey the commands of Jesus till he returns matt 28-19 acts 1:8

No i want to know from scripture alone the second of the Ten Commandments please?

While your at look for “faith alone”

Thks

 

[donadams]

Where does scripture say: “scripture interprets scripture?

 

[Mr GLee]

Where does scripture say: “scripture interprets scripture?

Hi Don

I would offer in one way. When Satan the father of lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder after as a lying vison given to the Son of man, Jesus who had not eaten 40 days . Satan testing to see if he had the right man .If hungry command stones for bread or strength .
jesus the prophet given words from His father answered and said as it is written (sola scriptura)

Mathew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written,(sola scriptura) Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Then as part of the lying sign and wonder Jesus experienced what some call "out of body experiences" which are rather lying spirits entering in

Mathew 4:5-6 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written,(sola scriptura) He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Three time with three denoting the end of a matter as it (sola scriptura) is written.

Mathew 4 :7-11Jesus said unto him, It is written again, (sola scriptura) Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,(sola scriptura) Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

LOl Strike three . .never saw the faith ball as it is written coming .Back to the bottomless dugout

 

[CrowCross]

Jn 20:21-23 forgive sin

Jn 3:22 they went to the river and baptized

The successors are required to continue to obey the commands of Jesus till he returns matt 28-19 acts 1:8

No i want to know from scripture alone the second of the Ten Commandments please?

While your at look for “faith alone”

Thks

Sounds like baptism must be performed in a river.

 

[David Lamb]

Sounds like baptism must be performed in a river.

Not necessarily, just in enough water to be immersed in it.

 

[Mr GLee]

Not necessarily, just in enough water to be immersed in it.

Or washed in it. Baptizing means. . .working, washing, cleansing of new born again souls .

Ephesians 5:25-27King James Version25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

 

[CrowCross]

The successors are required to continue to obey the commands of Jesus till he returns matt 28-19 acts 1:8

Do you obey all of the commands? I kinda think you miss a few from time to time. Yes?