Did God appoint men as ministers
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What else besides faith in Jesus do you suggest for a person to 'enter the kingdom'?
Im not qualified to be the teacher of christians, Christ is! Heb 1-1-3
Mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved…
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True, you're not qualified to be a teacher, but you can share some Scriptures, like these verses...
Romans 5:18-19 KJV
Therefore as by the offence of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Jesus Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. [19] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
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"Do you still beat your wife?" is "just a question".
But it is the Scripture you referenced in post #73 (which is what I quoted)
Mathew 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
the ONLY combination NOT covered in this verse is, "believe but not baptized", which would be the KEY combination to prove whether baptism is required or not.
| Belief | Baptized | Verse | Saved |
| Yes | Yes | Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved | Yes |
| Yes | No | (not addressed) | (not addressed) |
| No | Yes | whoever does not believe will be condemned | No |
| No | No | whoever does not believe will be condemned | No |
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Luke 7:50 And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace.".....notice Jesus didn't say...And He said to the woman, "Your faith and baptism has saved you; go in peace."
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Is believing the same as being baptized by the Holy Spirit the breath of life?
H20 has another purpose as a ceremonial shadow. a gospel sign to the word .Today under a new kingdom of priests men and women prophets from all the nation of the world ..Again not a sign unto themselves No such sign I did it, it proves it .we wk by faith the unseen eternal.
Aaron two sons found out the hard way "adding the the word" with what is called strange fire .Consumed them not a hint of smoke on the ceremonial attire .
Mark 16:16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. . . ..(no baptism of the Spirit )
He that believeth not shall be damned. (the baptism of the dead, no h20 .
Does it say faith alone?
It includes love!
And the new covenant sacrament of baptism is not in effect till Christ dies heb 9:16-17
How was publican justified? Lk 18:9-14
Or Lazerus saved? Lk 16:20-31
You forgot the good thief!
Also why as the bad thief lost if he asked for salvation? Lk 23:39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.
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That verse doesn't even mention baptism....NOR...does it say baptism is not in effect till Christ died.
The bible teaches it's the blood that washes away sin, purifies....not H2O.
If you continue to trust in the waters of baptism washing away your sin rather than the blood of Christ shed on the cross....you're gonna wake up dead one day and be staring at the gates of Hell. But, that's your choice.
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( not to change the topic) but are we speaking in terms of free will?
The merits of His blood are applied to our souls in the sacraments
Zechariah 13:1
In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1 Peter 1:22
Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: see Ez 36
Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
1 cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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"Please respond to all of my concerns, ignoring them is rude"
"repond to all" really?
You are all over the place.
There is more coherence of thought between a dozen random fortune cookies than whatever it is you just posted.
Is your post just a list of your complaints?
Also
Please use punctuation: so we don't have to guess where the comma or period should be. (it makes a difference)
Please proof read what you post: you often leave out key words.
Please use complete sentences: so we don't have to guess the missing verb or noun
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Sacrament ? Rather than a ceremonial "a shadow".
Water with dry ground as if blood mixed together clay (flesh) for the Potter .
They as one are used that way through out the bible in parables .which without parables Christ spoke not
Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
Pour out to indicate spirit life was given. Living sacrifice not dead.
Ezekiel 32:6 I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.
John 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
The parable drink blood . Christ poring out his Holy S[irt of dying flesh in jeapordy of his own Spirit life
1 Chronicles 11:18-20 King James Version And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord. And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest.
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Look at that...you can cut and paste verses....
Did you expect me to remember it? The bible is a big book ya know
Are you going to respond to my concerns or just ignore them?
He who does not believe is condemned;
Where does it the opposite?
He that believes is not condemned or he that believes (Faith alone) is shall be saved?
As you assume!
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agreed: He who does not believe is condemned;
it doesn't say otherwise
True: "whoever does not believe will be condemned.Mark 16:16"
and "Whoever believes in him is not condemned" John 3:18 and
THE QUESTION IS
If someone believes and is not baptized, then are they condemned?
The logic table I posted shows that specific key scenario is not addressed.
NOTE how I directly answered your direct questions: Can you do the same in the other thread?
It has been said that Christians are born in the waters of baptism, and are fishes swimming in the waters of baptismal grace!
Not the dry barren wasteland of “faith alone” which Vipers prefer!
If “faith alone” were true Christ would be a doctrine alone, nothing but a doctrine to be believed!
Jesus Christ us our propitiatory sacrifice meriting the atonement, mercy, & grace that are applied to our souls in the administration of the sacraments.
Jesus Christ is Our salvation:
We must have Union with God and His saints in the new covenant by Jesus Christ the mediator, must be in Christ, put on Christ, members of Christ by the grace of faith & baptism.
The sacraments are the fruits of the sacrifice of Christ and produce sanctifying grace!
The Way, The Truth, & The Life! Jn 14:6
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Grace is the life of God in us.
Brought to life. Eph 2:1 & 2:5
Christ in His person is our salvation! Lk 2:30
Thks
Not the dry barren wasteland of “faith alone” which Vipers prefer!
If “faith alone” were true Christ would be a doctrine alone, nothing but a doctrine to be believed!
Jesus Christ us our propitiatory sacrifice meriting the atonement, mercy, & grace that are applied to our souls in the administration of the sacraments.
Jesus Christ is Our salvation:
We must have Union with God and His saints in the new covenant by Jesus Christ the mediator, must be in Christ, put on Christ, members of Christ by the grace of faith & baptism.
The sacraments are the fruits of the sacrifice of Christ and produce sanctifying grace!
The Way, The Truth, & The Life! Jn 14:6
Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Grace is the life of God in us.
Brought to life. Eph 2:1 & 2:5
Christ in His person is our salvation! Lk 2:30
Thks
