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Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

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However, as I said, a person is regenerated when the word of God becomes a living plant, planted in his heart.
Who plants the seed? Who regenerated the heart? The regeneration is the tilling of the soil not the growth of the seed, preparing it to receive the seed. Who does that? It is the fact that it is good soil that causes the seed to grow. You have the seed producing the soil in your view.
 
Regeneration is when there is a living plant in the soil; no matter what type of soil that it is.
A seed is just a seed lying dormant unless it is placed in good soil. Your statement falls apart in the example of the bad soils. They came up except for the first, but the soil wouldn't support their persevering or producing fruit. It was bad soil, not bad seed. Did the seed produce the soil? Regeneration must come first.
 
A regenerated heart becomes evident when there is a living plant in the soil.

Granted, soil types #1, #2, and #3, are not the elect;

But for all practical purposes, #'2 and #3 have a faith that produces spiritual life; they are soils that produce living plants.

They are indistinguishable from soil type #4 until it becomes evident that they are not, by the fact that they either fall away because of trial or temptation, or by the fact that the pleasures of this life come and choke out the word.

Soil types #2, #3, and #4, are your Christians that you find in church, who are told that they are saved and cannot lose their salvation.
 
The devil can't do anything without God's permission. See Job. God uses even the devils evil intents for His purposes. God is the first cause, and the devil in this instance as the second cause actually brings about what God intended. Remember God knows those who are His. @justbyfaith See how much clearer the meaning of scripture is when one accepts the biblical teaching of election and predestination?

See also Jesus on the cross. Evil intent on the part of men who were the devil's servants who sent Him to the cross, and it was the devils intent to kill the Savior and keep earth for himself. But God laughs and says, "I have set my King on Zion." Christ's victory, and His crowning as King, was in His death. God defeats every move that the devil makes.
Thanks, agreed.

I was just pointing out the differences in the texts, one referring to means, the other not.
 
Screwed that one up.
I'm a Moderator. I don't want to be unfair here. I was just asking him a question as a Member Poster...

I have Administrators I am Liable to...

I want CCAM to be the best Christian Forum...
 
I'm a Moderator. I don't want to be unfair here. I was just asking him a question as a Member Poster...

I have Administrators I am Liable to...

I want CCAM to be the best Christian Forum...
It's nothing more than me getting an Alert incorrect.
 
Soil types #2, #3, and #4, are your Christians that you find in church, who are told that they are saved and cannot lose their salvation.
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Quite the indictment there. Maybe you should provide some support for it.
 
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Quite the indictment there. Maybe you should provide some support for it.
I believe that there was a man associated with Billy Graham who fell away (I have forgotten his name).

For all practical purposes he appeared to be a Christian like any other Christian; was even involved in ministry.

Yet, he fell away.

He was soil type #2; and for a long season even appeared to many to be soil type #4.

Until it became evident, by his falling away, that he was actually soil type #2.

I think that he himself may have even believed in eternal security and that he himself was a recipient of the promises associated with the doctrine.
 
The devil can't do anything without God's permission. See Job. God uses even the devils evil intents for His purposes. God is the first cause, and the devil in this instance as the second cause actually brings about what God intended. Remember God knows those who are His. @justbyfaith See how much clearer the meaning of scripture is when one accepts the biblical teaching of election and predestination?

See also Jesus on the cross. Evil intent on the part of men who were the devil's servants who sent Him to the cross, and it was the devils intent to kill the Savior and keep earth for himself. But God laughs and says, "I have set my King on Zion." Christ's victory, and His crowning as King, was in His death. God defeats every move that the devil makes.
None of us can do anything, without God being the first cause thereof.
 
I believe that there was a man associated with Billy Graham who fell away (I have forgotten his name).

For all practical purposes he appeared to be a Christian like any other Christian; was even involved in ministry.

Yet, he fell away.

He was soil type #2; and for a long season even appeared to many to be soil type #4.

Until it became evident, by his falling away, that he was actually soil type #2.

I think that he himself may have even believed in eternal security and that he himself was a recipient of the promises associated with the doctrine.
Do you actually consider that support for saying soils #2,#3 and #4 are people who believe OSAS?
 
Do you actually consider that support for saying soils #2,#3 and #4 are people who believe OSAS?
In both Arminianism and Calvinism, the three Soils are Reprobate; but we differ on why they are Reprobate. A Traditionalist will eventually agree the Soils are Reprobate; Oneness will also eventually agree that the Rocky and Weedy Soils are given over to their Reprobate Minds...

Start with getting him to agree to this; then the rest of the things you want him to agree with will follow. Or else he will remain in Cognitive Dissonance and prefer the Lie...

@civic
 
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In both Arminianism and Calvinism, the three Soils are Reprobate; but we differ on why they are Reprobate. A Traditionalist will eventually agree the Soils are Reprobate; Oneness will also eventually agree that the Rocky and Weedy Soils are given over to their Reprobate Minds...

Start with getting him to agree to this; then the rest of the things you want him to agree with will follow. Or else he will remain in Cognitive Dissonance and prefer the Lie...
I think the second scenario has already been established. When all posts were responded to by indisputable logic, I believe that was seen. I mean how can one dispute such straightforward logic as the seed doesn't make the soil good. And since there is no way to do that in a huff they simply indicted those who disagree with him and continued with the illogic.

But you never know. Maybe they will ponder it. Could be an eye opening moment.
 
I think the second scenario has already been established. When all posts were responded to by indisputable logic, I believe that was seen. I mean how can one dispute such straightforward logic as the seed doesn't make the soil good. And since there is no way to do that in a huff they simply indicted those who disagree with him and continued with the illogic.

But you never know. Maybe they will ponder it. Could be an eye opening moment.
I mentioned to him elsewhere, I will have a Dialectic Debate with him if he wants to. Otherwise, we're only giving our Stance...

People think they are Debating; but they're not...


Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation. Dialectic resembles debate, but the concept excludes subjective elements such as emotional appeal and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric
 
I mentioned to him elsewhere, I will have a Dialectic Debate with him if he wants to. Otherwise, we're only giving our Stance...

People think they are Debating; but they're not...


Dialectic (Greek: διαλεκτική, dialektikḗ; related to dialogue; German: Dialektik), also known as the dialectical method, is a discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject but wishing to establish the truth through reasoned argumentation. Dialectic resembles debate, but the concept excludes subjective elements such as emotional appeal and the modern pejorative sense of rhetoric
I've offered this Gospel Tract as an example of a Dialectic Debate...

Samson’s pillars ~ by ReverendRV * September 9

Judges 16:29 KJV
; And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

Most people know the story of Samson; the world’s strongest man. He wasn’t a very good man, but as a Judge he defended his people Israel. One day, his enemies used a woman to bring him down; many a man’s weakness. The Philistines blinded his eyes and kept him around; to bring him out from time to time, and mock him. During a great party they displayed him in their midst, but he had reconciled with God, and sacrificed himself by pulling the house down; killing more than he ever had. ~ When someone has a bad Doctrine, I use Samson and the Pillars as a way to show them they’re wrong. I get someone who disagrees with me to take turns giving Verses we use to make our points, and I even let them go first. I have to agree with their Verse and put one hand on it, while keeping my other hand on the Verses for my side; like holding to both sides of the argument. The first one to take their hand off the other person's pillar is the Loser. The person I'm debating with always takes their hand of my column before I take my hand off their column. The other person can't see how both columns can be true at the same time! ~ Keeping our hands on all columns results in a Systematic Theology; believing All Scripture…

Samson was a Scoundrel; are you better than him? ~ Samson Lied to Delilah all the time; what do you think she called him for Lying to her? Have you ever told a Lie?? Hmm; I think she would call you a Liar too. Have you ever had an Affair? This is called Adultery; but you deny it. Jesus said that whoever looks upon a woman to Lust for her has committed Adultery with her in his Heart! Saint James said “Each one is tempted when his own evil desires lure him away and he’s enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to Sin; and when Sin is full-grown, it gives birth to death.” In case you didn’t notice, this is a picture of Adultery in the Heart. ~ These were only two of God’s Ten Commandments, if he judged you by his standard would you be innocent or guilty? When you die, would you go to Heaven or to Hell?

Hell is a place of eternal torment and your hand is on its pillar; what you need to do is put your other hand on the pillar of Heaven; a place of eternal Glory! ~ For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God that takes away the Sin of the world. He gave up his life like Samson did, and Saved all who put their trust in him. He shed his blood and died on the Cross, was buried three days but rose from the grave; the Hope of eternal Life. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Savior Jesus Christ, without Works lest we boast; this is when you can take your hand off Hell’s pillar! Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God and join a Bible believing Church. ~ Do you believe the whole Bible but think others don’t? Ask yourself; “Is his Verse good or bad for my Doctrine?” When his Verse is Fundamentally true but bad for your doctrine, maybe you’re the one who doesn’t believe all the Bible?

2nd Timothy 3:16 KJV-a; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
 
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