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[ReverendRV]

Regeneration is when the word of God becomes a living plant in the heart of the believer.

No, that's wrong. Regeneration in the Parable is the Farmers Tilled Garden...

 

[justbyfaith]

The Seed doesn't BECOME alive, it is alive; sharper than a two-edged sword. But the Seed doesn't Regenerate Soil; the Soil stays Dead...

I suppose that you can say that even the good soil isn't alive even when it has a living plant, planted in it.

However, as I said, a person is regenerated when the word of God becomes a living plant, planted in his heart.

No, that's wrong. Regeneration in the Parable is the Farmers Tilled Garden...

Regeneration is when there is a living plant in the soil; no matter what type of soil that it is.

 

[ReverendRV]

I suppose that you can say that even the good soil isn't alive even when it has a living plant, planted in it.

However, as I said, a person is regenerated when the word of God becomes a living plant, planted in his heart.



Regeneration is when there is a living plant in the soil; no matter what type of soil that it is.

The Good Soil is alive because it is Regenerated...

Turning Swords into Plowshares ~ by ReverendRV * November 28

Isaiah 2:4 KJV; And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Jesus said ‘Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth; Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.’ ~ Spiritually speaking, no one begins in life as a peacemaker, but instead we begin as enemies of God. The Bible says that Stealing, Lying, and Cursing with God’s name are all Sin; and they’re only the tip of the Iceberg. Jesus also said ‘He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters’; so there is no neutrality. When one decides to repent and follow Jesus, they are no longer enemies of God. Former enemies know the way of weapons, but when they no longer need them; they can put a weapon to a better use…

Jesus said ‘Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.’ There are times when Christians obey this, but it seems they can’t get through to some people. Jesus compares the heart of these people to hard, trodden ground; ‘When anyone hears the Message about the Kingdom and doesn’t understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the Seed sown along the path.’ This is when the ground of your heart needs to be tilled. ~ The Prophet Ezekiel describes it like this; ‘I will give you a New Heart and put a New Spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a Heart of flesh.’ God makes the ground of your heart good and then compares it to tilled soil. God uses the Law of God to penetrate your heart, Paul describes it like this; ‘For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.’ ~ A follower of Christ will lay down his carnal sword and pick up the ‘Sword which is the Word of God’; and use it as a plowshare to break ground in your rock hard heart…

This is what Saint Peter did at the first Christian Pentecost. By the power of God’s Holy Spirit, Peter rose and preached to the crowds. Everyone present knew of how God had been working the last few years in the land of Israel, and SURELY there were large crowds assembled to see if it would continue. There were people who would had seen the Miracles of Christ; giving sight to the blind, feeding the thousands and raising the dead. There would have been people there who saw the darkness the day Christ was Crucified, and when they heard Peter quote the prophecy of Joel, they would have known the darkness was predicted long ago. There would have been people who told Pontius Pilate to Crucify Jesus, and when Peter proclaimed this, ‘They were cut to the Heart’. Peter turned the Sword he used to cut off a guard's ear into a Plowshare, and turn the Spear that pierced Christ's heart into a pruning Hook; reaping a harvest that day of three thousand people!

You have reason to worry today if you have not turned to Jesus Christ as your Savior. Moses said, ‘But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not heed them, as the LORD had said.’ You are the one who trods down the path which is your heart, making it harder! We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the risen Savior Jesus Christ, not by Works lest we boast. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; read your Bible and go to Church. ~ Eternal life will now be able to grow in the circumcision which the Bible has cut into your Heart…

John 5:24 ESV; Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

[Deleted member 5]

So, the seed, which is the word of God, becomes alive in the heart of the person who is shallow ground as well as the ground with weeds.

Except Matthew 13 teaches nothing of the sort.

That would indicate regeneration to me.

Yes, to you, but not according to Scripture.

And I said shallow roots; not no roots.

So what? You're still in error and adding your ideas to Scripture.

(I actually changed it; but this website is so darn slow that it took forever for it to register).

You're having trouble with the site? Let me know what issues you're having.

 

[justbyfaith]

It takes for ever for a quoted post to show up; for a post to post once I hit "post reply" and sometimes it tells me that I cannot post for something like 163 seconds.

 

[justbyfaith]

@preacher4truth, I'm sorry that you reject the clear teaching of the word of the Lord for your own idea about scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

Sometimes I get the message "Oops! We ran into some problems!"

I don't get this problem at the other message board that I frequent.

 

[Deleted member 5]

@preacher4truth, I'm sorry that you reject the clear teaching of the word of the Lord for your own idea about scripture.

I don't reject any teachings of what the word means, I reject your take on what you think it means. Therein lies the difference.

 

[Arial]

So, the seed, which is the word of God, becomes alive in the heart of the person who is shallow ground as well as the ground with weeds.

That would indicate regeneration to me.

@Arial ? @Eleanor ?

The conclusion of the matter is in the conclusion. Verse 15: As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

Who creates and prepares the soil? Who is it that both hardens and softens a man's heart?

All the other soils are those who acquiesce to what they hear. Acquiesce: To consent or comply passively or without protest. To concur, not heartily but so far as to forbear opposition.

When tested, and our faith will always be tested just as it was with Abraham, the bad soil does not hold fast, showing that it was not in their hearts as genuine faith.

"Many are called (hear the gospel) but few are chosen."

2 Cor 12:10; Romans 5:3-5; James 1:2-4

 

[ReverendRV]

The conclusion of the matter is in the conclusion. Verse 15: As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

Who creates and prepares the soil? Who is it that both hardens and softens a man's heart?

All the other soils are those who acquiesce to what they hear. Acquiesce: To consent or comply passively or without protest. To concur, not heartily but so far as to forbear opposition.

When tested, and our faith will always be tested just as it was with Abraham, the bad soil does not hold fast, showing that it was not in their hearts as genuine faith.

"Many are called (hear the gospel) but few are chosen."

2 Cor 12:10; Romans 5:3-5; James 1:2-4

Perfect!

That's what I meant by needing more Voices to speak on this. There is enough Reason to believe the Weedy and Rocky Soils are Reprobate hearts, just as the Trodden Soil is the Hardest heart there is...

 

[Arial]

Luke 8:13 speaks of a genuine faith that produces spiritual life; it is a living plant that is spoken of in the verse.

It is also a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith; and therefore not sufficient to obtain the promise of John 5:24, John 10:27-30, and other such passages.

If anyone doesn't continue in God's goodness, then they have a Luke 8:13 faith (Romans 11:20-22).

Verses 11-14 are all about the outward call of the gospel. They "hear" the gospel. Some reject it outright. Some hear the gospel and like the sound of it, it makes them happy for a moment but it doesn't withstand the testing which suggests that they came "for the loaves and fishes" or some other fleshly desire. Some hear the gospel and even give assent it but the pleasures of this life and its cares choke it out, proving the soil was no good.

The good soil is the inward call in which God regenerate the heart and the hearers actually believe in their mind an heart what they hear, and bear the fruit of perseverance no matter what.

Don't forget what Jesus is talking about here. "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God---"

 

[makesends]

The conclusion of the matter is in the conclusion. Verse 15: As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

Who creates and prepares the soil? Who is it that both hardens and softens a man's heart?

All the other soils are those who acquiesce to what they hear. Acquiesce: To consent or comply passively or without protest. To concur, not heartily but so far as to forbear opposition.

When tested, and our faith will always be tested just as it was with Abraham, the bad soil does not hold fast, showing that it was not in their hearts as genuine faith.

"Many are called (hear the gospel) but few are chosen."

2 Cor 12:10; Romans 5:3-5; James 1:2-4

Kind of an aside, but not really a separate issue, but for those of you who like to find every parallel possible from a parable: Notice the causal relationship between God who gives the increase and God who created both seed and soil, and the work of the soil and the work of the seed. The whole business is the work of God. The soil does what it was made for and the seed does what it was made to do.

 

[ReverendRV]

Kind of an aside, but not really a separate issue, but for those of you who like to find every parallel possible from a parable: Notice the causal relationship between God who gives the increase and God who created both seed and soil, and the work of the soil and the work of the seed. The whole business is the work of God. The soil does what it was made for and the seed does what it was made to do.

I agree...

But the difference with this Parable, is that it's explained by Jesus. It's easier to draw a Conclusion because of this...

 

[Eleanor]

The conclusion of the matter is in the conclusion. Verse 15: As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

Who creates and prepares the soil? Who is it that both hardens and softens a man's heart?

All the other soils are those who acquiesce to what they hear. Acquiesce: To consent or comply passively or without protest. To concur, not heartily but so far as to forbear opposition.

When tested, and our faith will always be tested just as it was with Abraham, the bad soil does not hold fast, showing that it was not in their hearts as genuine faith.

"Many are called (hear the gospel) but few are chosen."

2 Cor 12:10; Romans 5:3-5; James 1:2-4

And was it not in their hearts as genuine faith because they were not born again?

Is not the issue regeneration? Only the fourth soil (heart) was regenerated.

 

[ReverendRV]

Kind of an aside, but not really a separate issue, but for those of you who like to find every parallel possible from a parable: Notice the causal relationship between God who gives the increase and God who created both seed and soil, and the work of the soil and the work of the seed. The whole business is the work of God. The soil does what it was made for and the seed does what it was made to do.

Look at it like this...

The Trodden Soil is the Hardest Reprobate heart there is. BUT; Jesus said that if the Seed were not carried away, the Soil might Believe and Jesus would have to Heal them. The Gospel is the Power of God unto Salvation; not the Regenerated Good Soil...



Without Christ's explanation of the Parable, I would never be able to believe this...

 

[Eleanor]

Look at it like this...

The Trodden Soil is the Hardest Reprobate heart there is. BUT; Jesus said that if the Seed were not carried away, the Soil might Believe and Jesus would have to Heal them. The Gospel is the Power of God unto Salvation; not the Regenerated Good Soil...



Without Christ's explanation of the Parable, I would never be able to believe this...

Except that in Lk 8:12, is not the "so that" of the devil's purpose?

Or does Mt 13:11-15, following, also apply to Lk 8:12?

". . .give to you but not to them (v.11). . .that is why I speak in parables. . .though seeing, they do not see, though hearing they do not hear or understand (v.13). . .otherwise they might see. . .hear. . .understand. . .turn, and I would heal them (v. 15b).

 

[civic]

I voted somewhere between Calvinism and Arminianism, though I'm a Calvinist; since I'm the most liberal 5-Point Calvinist you will meet. I like Fullerism, so I guess by the definition, I would be between...

I’m inbetween Calvinist and Arminian . I haven’t really fully identified with any particular systematic

 

[ReverendRV]

I’m inbetween Calvinist and Arminian . I haven’t really fully identified with any particular systematic

Have you come back to the Reformed Camp?

 

[Arial]

And was it not in their hearts as genuine faith because they were not born again?

Is not the issue regeneration? Only the fourth soil (heart) was regenerated.

The good soil is the inward call in which God regenerate the heart and the hearers actually believe in their mind an heart what they hear, and bear the fruit of perseverance no matter what.

 

[Arial]

Except that in Lk 8:12, is not the "so that" of the devil's purpose?

The devil can't do anything without God's permission. See Job. God uses even the devils evil intents for His purposes. God is the first cause, and the devil in this instance as the second cause actually brings about what God intended. Remember God knows those who are His. @justbyfaith See how much clearer the meaning of scripture is when one accepts the biblical teaching of election and predestination?

See also Jesus on the cross. Evil intent on the part of men who were the devil's servants who sent Him to the cross, and it was the devils intent to kill the Savior and keep earth for himself. But God laughs and says, "I have set my King on Zion." Christ's victory, and His crowning as King, was in His death. God defeats every move that the devil makes.