Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

[justbyfaith]

The Perseverance of the Saints...

POTS is the acronym. This is the 5th Point of Calvinism; the P in TULIP.....

Thanks.

 

[Eleanor]

Let's reformulate the doctrine (to being POTS) so that it cannot be abused.

If persons do not understand mathematical infinity and misrepresent it, altering mathematics is not the remedy, that simply creates greater problems with the absolutes of mathematics.

 

[Eleanor]

Do you have scripture to back up that statement?

Absurdity.

If it is nowhere used in Scripture to mean that, how does one find Scripture to back up that statement?

If oslo, abuni, and upat are nowhere used in Scripture, how does one find Scripture to back up that statement?

 

[Arial]

The Perseverance of the Saints...

POTS is the acronym. This is the 5th Point of Calvinism; the P in TULIP.....

Thanks.

 

[ReverendRV]

Thanks.

Sunday Seminary School

 

[Arial]

Let's reformulate the doctrine (to being POTS) so that it cannot be abused.

Everything can and will be abused. Let's not abuse the scriptures by coming up with contradictions within it them through our misunderstandings. The doctrine of POT was arrived at from the whole counsel of God but even logic will take one there. If Jesus pays someone's debt with His blood, it is paid. He doesn't pay then take back the payment if someone changes their mind. They won't change their mind. It is God who preserves them.

And then we have all those scriptures that say no one can take them out of His hand, or He will lose none of those that the Father gave Him. That nothing can separate us from Him. That those He predestined He also called and those He called He also glorified.That we are sealed as His by the Holy Spirit.

Our very eternal security and hope rests on the fact that if we believe it is because He chose us and gave us to Christ, and will bring us safely home.

No it isn't the doctrine that needs to be changed so as to fit those who believe they did the choosing therefore they can unchoose, or who take a few scriptures that are indeed difficult to understand, but if we say they are telling us we can fall away, then they have contradicted all the things I referred to above. It is our understanding of the scripture that needs to undergo the change. And it can be done if we let scripture interpret scripture as we should. And it is not done by changing the scriptures that are perfectly clear on the matter to fit the ones that are not as clear.

 

[justbyfaith]

Luke 8:13 speaks of a genuine faith that produces spiritual life; it is a living plant that is spoken of in the verse.

It is also a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith; and therefore not sufficient to obtain the promise of John 5:24, John 10:27-30, and other such passages.

If anyone doesn't continue in God's goodness, then they have a Luke 8:13 faith (Romans 11:20-22).

 

[ReverendRV]

Luke 8:13 speaks of a genuine faith that produces spiritual life; it is a living plant that is spoken of in the verse.

It is also a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith; and therefore not sufficient to obtain the promise of John 5:24, John 10:27-30, and other such passages.

If anyone doesn't continue in God's goodness, then they have a Luke 8:13 faith (Romans 11:20-22).

@Arial ? @Eleanor ?

 

[Eleanor]

Luke 8:13 speaks of a genuine faith that produces spiritual life; it is a living plant that is spoken of in the verse.

It is also a nominal, shallow, or lukewarm faith; and therefore not sufficient to obtain the promise of John 5:24, John 10:27-30, and other such passages.

If anyone doesn't continue in God's goodness, then they have a Luke 8:13 faith (Romans 11:20-22).

Did someone call?

Indeed, they never had a genuine faith.

Luke 8:13 is the conclusion of the parable of the four soils, where the soils are the different responses to the word of God.
Some are:
unbelievers (rejectors),
apostates (fall away),
pretenders, professors (not possessors) of faith,
possessors (genuine faith).

 

[justbyfaith]

Did someone call?

Indeed, they never had a genuine faith.

Luke 8:13 is the conclusion of the parable of the four soils, where the soils are the different responses to the word of God.
Some are:
unbelievers (rejectors),
apostates (fall away),
pretenders, professors (not possessors) of faith,
possessors (genuine faith).

Soil types #2 and #3 are living plants; their faith produces spiritual life; if only for a season.

Soil type #3 are not pretenders, their faith is genuine and they are living plants. But as living plants, they get choked out by the weeds around them.

 

[Eleanor]

Soil types #2 and #3 are living plants; their faith produces spiritual life; if only for a season.

Soil type #3 are not pretenders, their faith is genuine and they are living plants. But as living plants, they get choked out by the weeds around them.

It is counterfeit faith, it has no root (regeneration), just small plant.

Counterfeit faith is not saving faith.

 

[Carbon]

It is counterfeit faith, it has no root, just small plant.

Counterfeit faith is not saving faith.

Amen

 

[justbyfaith]

It is counterfeit faith, it has no root (regeneration), just small plant.

Counterfeit faith is not saving faith.

It is a living plant;

A genuine faith that has shallow roots.

 

[Eleanor]

It is a living plant;

A genuine faith that has no roots.

Oxymoron.

 

[ReverendRV]

It is a living plant;

A genuine faith that has no roots.

It was a Living Seed too; something Alien to the Dead Soil/heart who wasn't Tilled by the Farmer. The Plant is not the Person, the Soil is the Person...

The Plant is the Seed...

 

[justbyfaith]

So, the seed, which is the word of God, becomes alive in the heart of the person who is shallow ground as well as the ground with weeds.

That would indicate regeneration to me.

And I said shallow roots; not no roots.

(I actually changed it; but this website is so darn slow that it took forever for it to register).

 

[ReverendRV]

So, the seed, which is the word of God, becomes alive in the heart of the person who is shallow ground as well as the ground with weeds.

That would indicate regeneration to me.

And I said shallow roots; not no roots.

(I actually changed it; but this website is so darn slow that it took forever for it to register).

No, the Tilling of the Soil is Regeneration. That's why it is the Good Soil; not the Good Seed...

 

[Carbon]

So, the seed, which is the word of God, becomes alive in the heart of the person who is shallow ground as well as the ground with weeds.

That would indicate regeneration to me.

And I said shallow roots; not no roots.

(I actually changed it; but this website is so darn slow that it took forever for it to register).

@preacher4truth Whats your thoughts?

 

[ReverendRV]

@preacher4truth Whats your thoughts?

The Seed doesn't BECOME alive, it is alive; sharper than a two-edged sword. But the Seed doesn't Regenerate Soil; the Soil stays Dead...

 

[justbyfaith]

No, the Tilling of the Soil is Regeneration. That's why it is the Good Soil; not the Good Seed...

Regeneration is when the word of God becomes a living plant in the heart of the believer.