Are you Arminian, Calvinist, or other?

[ReverendRV]

Until it produced a living plant.

Didn't you say,

Who Tills the Good Soil? Who is the Farmer?

The Father (John 15:1).

Why did the Father waste his time tilling the Good Soil, if he could have just Weeded and removed the Rocks?

Why didn't God Work in the Rocky and Weedy Soils?

 

[justbyfaith]

Didn't you say,

The Father (John 15:1).

Why did the Father waste his time tilling the Good Soil, if he could have just Weeded and removed the Rocks?

Why didn't God Work in the Rocky and Weedy Soils?

He scattered seed into the Rocky and Weedy soils; and they produced living plants.

I do believe that soil type #4 is the only soil that is what we might call the elect.

But regeneration happens when there is a living plant in the soil.

 

[Eleanor]

In soil type #2, the plants have shallow roots (not no roots).

In soil type #3, they do indeed have deeper roots.

Takes good roots to make a good plant.
Just looking like wheat is not enough.

 

[ReverendRV]

He scattered seed into the Rocky and Weedy soils; and they produced living plants.

I do believe that soil type #4 is the only soil that is what we might call the elect.

But regeneration happens when there is a living plant in the soil.

And finally, isn't Tilling Regeneration?

Regenerative agriculture is an evolution of conventional agriculture, reducing the use of water and other inputs, and preventing land degradation and deforestation. It protects and improves soil, biodiversity, climate resilience and water resources while making farming more productive and profitable.

Regenerative Agriculture

Regenerative agriculture is an evolution of conventional agriculture, reducing the use of water and other inputs, preventing land degradation and deforestation.

www.syngentagroup.com

Like I said, sometimes it takes more than one person. I give you back to the Ladies for a while...

 

[justbyfaith]

Takes good roots to make a good plant.
Just looking like wheat is not enough.

As long as a plant is living, it is what we might refer to as "saved".

 

[justbyfaith]

And finally, isn't Tilling Regeneration?

No; a living plant in the soil is regeneration.

 

[ReverendRV]

As long as a plant is living, it is what we might refer to as "saved".

The Plant is the Seed, not the Soil; remember?

@Eleanor

 

[ReverendRV]

No; a living plant in the soil is regeneration.

And by the way, this isn't a Dialectic. It's a Manifesto...

 

[justbyfaith]

The Plant is the Seed, not the Soil; remember?

@Eleanor

If the soil bears spiritual life in the form of a plant, that is regeneration in the soil.

 

[ReverendRV]

If the soil bears spiritual life in the form of a plant, that is regeneration in the soil.

Yes...

But for a Dialectic, show this instead of only stating this...

As it sits, it's just a Presupposition...

I've added a Link that calls treatments to the Soil such as Tilling, Regeneration. The Bible uses word-pictures an Agrarian Society will understand. Especially when Jesus gives the Meaning of the Parable. The Meaning of the Good Soil is that it embraces the Seed, as we would expect a Tilled Soil to do. The Weedy Soil doesn't EMBRACE the Gospel Seed. The Weedy and Rocky Soils are the ground that receives the overspray of the Farmer's Seed...

 

[justbyfaith]

Yes...

But for a Dialectic, show this instead of only stating this...

As it sits, it's just a Presupposition...

Go and look in your garden.

 

[justbyfaith]

Go and look at some lichen out on the plateau, and tell me that they are not living plants and that they are not really alive.

 

[ReverendRV]

Go and look at some lichen out on the plateau, and tell me that they are not living plants and that they are not really alive.

Are they the Gospel Seed buddy? Are the Weeds also the Gospel Seed?

It's good to see you get desperate; I'm not Mocking you. The bad thing would be to stay in Cognitive Dissonance...

I need to let the Ladies have a go; let my Yes be a Yes...

 

[justbyfaith]

Are they the Gospel Seed buddy?

It's good to get desperate; I'm not Mocking you. The bad thing would be to stay in Cognitive Dissonance...

I need to let the Ladies have a go; let my Yes be a Yes...

Of course they are the gospel seed; they are sown by the sower, aren't they?

The parable lays it out clearly: the seed is the word of God (Luke 8:11).

 

[justbyfaith]

lichen on a plateau may be a bad example.

A better example being living plants that grow in shallow soil as the result of being sowed by the sower.

 

[Arial]

soil types #2 and #3 might even be you.

You are stepping over the line there.

I still say that a living plant means salvation; because there is spiritual life that is exhibited.

It is a PARABLE. Try to read it and understand it as a parable. It is being used to make a point. And the point is not whether one can lose their salvation or not. It is about how the kingdom increases. The preached gospel being planted in the good soil which only the Lord can make good. Unless God makes a soil good, all soil is soil 1 2 or 3. Funny how Jesus explained that parable and some still don't get it.

 

[Arial]

As long as you understand that, since soil types #2 and #3 can be those who are sitting next to you in church,

Do you think that is the message of the parable of the sower?

 

[ReverendRV]

<snip> It is a PARABLE. Try to read it and understand it as a parable. It is being used to make a point. And the point is not whether one can lose their salvation or not. It is about how the kingdom increases. The preached gospel being planted in the good soil which only the Lord can make good. Unless God makes a soil good, all soil is soil 1 2 or 3. Funny how Jesus explained that parable and some still don't get it.

That's the thing...

 

[justbyfaith]

You are stepping over the line there.

It is a PARABLE. Try to read it and understand it as a parable. It is being used to make a point. And the point is not whether one can lose their salvation or not. It is about how the kingdom increases. The preached gospel being planted in the good soil which only the Lord can make good. Unless God makes a soil good, all soil is soil 1 2 or 3. Funny how Jesus explained that parable and some still don't get it.

Okay, you want the last word, have the last word.

My last word on this is that a living plant means that the soil is regenerated (not necessarily of the elect).

 

[Arial]

Soil types #2 and #3 are persons who bear spiritual life and therefore are "saved" for all practical purposes. Just not of the elect.

Only the elect are saved. So maybe you should make clear what you mean when you say the elect.